North Korea Approves Nuclear Strike On America

reply to post by RomaSempre


I don't think a SEAL team could get to Kim, at least not once the fighting started...no way. He'd be too entrenched in his deepest, darkest bunker, no doubt. Before? Possibly, but that kind of assassination would be no different (politically) than us firing first.

reply to post by SloAnPainful


I am with you on the China question. I really can't decide. I think economics is the deciding factor for which way they will go and I just can't decide which move they think would be in their best interest in 2013. In 2017? By then I think they would have sufficiently penetrated new markets for their goods and disentangled themselves from their hoard of dollars on hand and dollars owed. They would also have had a real opportunity to close the technology gap with the U.S. military. Yes, yes, I also suspect we have weapons that haven't been made public but I think the size of the technology shrinks a bit each day. So, 2017 advancements and economics in place with all else the same I think they very well might stand against us. But 2013 feels a little early to me for them to take that stance. But, if they were getting ready to move in that direction by 2017 I cannot be entirely convinced that they would stand with us (at any real cost to themselves) now. China has always been the hard to picture/define stance and right now I find it particularly complicated. I do feel better though feeling that Russia is with us. Given the increasingly close relationship that they have with China I find that to be a good sign. Even with both of them though it could still be an ugly situation. One or both of them go the other way and the history books will call this a World War.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Looks like they have some...stuff.

Look at the range of each of those, and then compare that to the distance between NK and even Hawaii...

They have subs. The more i read the more it looks like their capabilities are largely unknown.

North Korea has one of the world’s largest fleets and more than 30 guided-missile patrol boats, according to a 2007 paper from the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Studies Institute.

Sending Bio weapons by sub has been practiced for decades.

1987: US Tests Deployment of Biological Weapons from Submarines The US government conducts tests for the purpose of establishing methods for deploying biological weapons from submarines. [ASSOCIATED PRESS, 7/1/2003]

www.historycommons.org...

Estimates vary somewhat, but the North Korean is estimated to have ben 60 and 70 submarines, all of which are diesel-powered coastal subs unsuited for deepwater operations. According to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the North Korean Navy possesses 4 1960s-vintage Whiskey-class attack subs that rarely go to sea these days, 22 Chinese-made Romeo-class submarines(1,800 tons) which were delivered in the 1970s, 40 domestically produced Sang-O class small coastal submarines (300 tons), and 10 midget submarines used for the clandestine infiltration of agents into South Korea.

www.matthewaid.com...

Originally posted by SloAnPainful

Originally posted by GeneralChaos
Am I the only one who sees the possibility that absolutely NONE of these threats were EVER made and this is ALL propaganda ??

I'm sure many on ATS have given this some thought. I know I have.

Fact is though, N. Korea is soo brainwashed that they ACTUALLY think they can win a war against the west...Which we know is bunk...

-SAP-

Im not trying to be a dick here.
but, what are you basing your opinion of N Korea's stupidity on??

It all leads back to the same place im afraid.

The box in my living room told me. Or a guy I know told me, and the box told him.

reply to post by Char-Lee


Did you check the RANGE on those subs, and compare the km to the distance to NK's US targets?
Also, note whether the subs are retired from service.

To another....

Im not trying to be a dick here.
but, what are you basing your opinion of N Korea's stupidity on?

The claim wasn't stupidity, but brainwashing. With state-run media, the brainwashing statement is certainly valid. The average North Korean probably sees Kim as a hero standing up to the evil USA...and why shouldn't they, when they are bombarded with the idea 24/7?

reply to post by Gazrok


Your level headed responses are right on the mark. Missile war...just not happening against us.

What I worry about is a prolonged ground offensive on the Korean peninsula. The North has a lot of troops, huge reserves, and pretty impressive special operations. It would be a lengthy war IMO, albeit conventional.

Just my two cents.

Peace

reply to post by GeneralChaos


I never said N. Korea was stupid, or their people. Simply that they think they can win a war with the west, that's the stupid part...

As far as where I'm basing my opinions (more like assumptions), I guess that's what you would call propaganda... N. Korea is secluded from the rest of the world for a reason I assume.

-SAP-

reply to post by tony9802

What are you people afraid of? The US have missile defense systems since 1983! Lots of information on that on the web.

reply to post by Gazrok


Okay, pretty good answers to my wonders, but still that's trusting governments and international defense companies to relay their findings truthfully to us, and no matter how much they look no way they can see everything.

Though I'm a little curious as to what you say here.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Also, when making purchases worth millions of dollars, kind of hard to keep that out of the public eye...so simply put, we know what they buy.

I mean, if I'm in my warehouse, and I load a truck with cash/gold, then drive it across the border to another warehouse, unload the money and load on some missiles, drive it back to my original warehouse, how exactly would anyone outside that deal ever know it took place?

I think it's a dangerous fault to think we know everything there is to know.

reply to post by lasertaglover


That would be rather stupid of us.

Our objective in NK should be regime removal, not invasion. That would be extremely messy, and be like another Vietnam on the ground. There is really zero reason to put US boots on the ground in NK. But, we'd need to have a quick plan for the leadership post-regime change. Something Bush failed to do in Iraq. Luckily, this would probably be a joint decision by China, the US, and the rest of the UN Security Council. I really don't even care if we prop up another dictator, as long as it's one who plays ball, denuclearizes and is actually responsible to his people...even if it is a China puppet.

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Hey now we found a 6'0'' tall indian in a hole.... I think we can find LiL Kim..... Though he's a lot smaller.... He might be better at hiding....

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Where am I from? I am a natural born US citizen with a Revolutionary War Patriot ancestor. My father fought in WWII. Perhaps the issue here is worldview, as my objection to that person's post is he portrayed it as two emperialistic countries fighting over property with the US just taking half. I grew up with the awareness that your own website states was US response to COMMUNIST advancement of Russia and that is how I see things. I was not aware of a pact that Russia gets one half and the US gets the other half. Perhaps the problem is how people view this.

I do not trust anything coming out of the Progressive propaganda mills of schools today. Perhaps it is a testimony to bad teaching of the 50's and 60's that I never heard that Korea got evenly divided as spoils from WWII.

Well, you accused me of being part of the Progressive propaganda mill coming out of schools today. I, too, am a natural born US citizen with ancestry in this country dating to 1610 (btw, that means jack really--doesn't make me any greater authority on US affairs than any other US citizen). My biggest idol (and toughest teacher) was my "oh so progressive" NAF Chief of Staff grandfather who served in WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam War and who went to the USSR during the Yom Kippur War. He even had the gall to send me to the USSR when I was just 17 years old so I could comprehend just how ugly Communism could be. Was a sharp lesson. That said, going ahead and stating facts about the mistakes we made in the past (and my grandfather always said that the Korean War was a mistake) isn't "progressive". It's called being pragmatic and acknowledging that it takes two to tango.

reply to post by WielderOfTheSwordOfTruth

I mean, if I'm in my warehouse, and I load a truck with cash/gold, then drive it across the border to another warehouse, unload the money and load on some missiles, drive it back to my original warehouse, how exactly would anyone outside that deal ever know it took place?

There are simply too many people involved in such a transfer to keep it secret. Besides, probably a known arms dealer making the sale, who only stays in business, because he informs the governments who buys what, etc. The international arms and intelligence game is pretty intricate and very intertwined.

I think it's a dangerous fault to think we know everything there is to know.

Everything? No, but I think we'd be able to ascertain a delivery system capable of getting a nuke here, if he had one. Again though, even if he had 50 nuclear ICBMs that could reach all over the US, I think he'd be in for a bit of a shock after launching them. The info is out there, for those who really look, I mean, we've had publicly known plane mounted lasers (ABL) successfully tested against missiles since the 80's, so you can guess what we have that isn't in the public realm these days......

With state-run media, the brainwashing statement is certainly valid

Think long and hard about what you just said

reply to post by GeneralChaos


Don't have to....we're pretty brainwashed by our own media as well...but unlike the North Koreans, we do have unfettered access to other media sources.

reply to post by Gazrok


Also we have the freedom to express our own opinions. We can choose not to believe what we read and what we hear. Unlike N. Koreans, they take it at face value.

-SAP-

reply to post by sulaw

Hey now we found a 6'0'' tall indian in a hole.... I think we can find LiL Kim..... Though he's a lot smaller.... He might be better at hiding...

In all fairness, he was a 6'5" tall Saudi Arabian, living in a manor compound though...not inside a bunker fortified with hidden anti-aircraft defenses, with 80 meters of rock overhead...and miles of tunnels, crawling with soldiers. I think that Kim would be a bit more of a challenge, for even the best SEAL team. (and I have a couple of good friends who are ex-SEALs, who'd agree with me....)

reply to post by Gazrok

Originally posted by Gazrok
Besides, probably a known arms dealer making the sale, who only stays in business, because he informs the governments who buys what, etc.

Heh, reminded me of that movie with Nicolas Cage, Lord of War.

But hey overall you've quenched my thirst, gave me some food for thought, I honestly don't know a whole lot about all this "global military tracking" business, hence my questions, just seems unreliable to me, unlikely that the masses would have an idea of what's really going on, but I suppose if I can find the time I'll have to look into it more.

And just so you know I don't think NK is a threat for the US, that beast could probably take on the whole world at once, lol.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Did you check the RANGE on those subs, and compare the km to the distance to NK's US targets?
Also, note whether the subs are retired from service.

To another....

Im not trying to be a dick here.
but, what are you basing your opinion of N Korea's stupidity on?

The claim wasn't stupidity, but brainwashing. With state-run media, the brainwashing statement is certainly valid. The average North Korean probably sees Kim as a hero standing up to the evil USA...and why shouldn't they, when they are bombarded with the idea 24/7?

edit on 4-4-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

All depends on who you listen to. personally I think they have way more capability then is known.

Threat real? if not why this?

The interceptors in California and Alaska are to blunt a long-range missile threat from North Korea.

www.acus.org...

Prime Minister warns North Korea could launch devastating nuclear strike against UK

"It is a good moment to stand back and ask ourselves about the dangers there are in the world and the need to maintain strong defences," he said. "North Korea does now have missile technology that is able to reach, as they put it, the whole of the United States. "If they are able to reach the whole of the United States they can reach Europe too, they can reach us too. That is a real concern."

www.express.co.uk...

Originally posted by sulaw
reply to post by Gazrok

 

Hey now we found a 6'0'' tall indian in a hole.... I think we can find LiL Kim..... Though he's a lot smaller.... He might be better at hiding....

Im sorry... who was the 6 feet tall indian you found in a hole?

< sigh > americans...