Penn and Teller lies about Autism to cover big pharma

i could go on, but i doubt the anti vaccine crowd would even process the information

reply to post by skalla


Astutely observed. As far as I can tell all information that is contrary to their belief is faked. Stick around and you're sure to see that here.

I would say theres a connection. US Vaccine Court Awards Millions for 2 Autism Diagnosis Cases The federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, better known as "vaccine court," has just awarded millions of dollars to two children with autism for "pain and suffering" and lifelong care of their injuries, which together could cost tens of millions of dollars And who the hell listens to that fat blow hard anyway?

reply to post by TriForce



Thousands of people die every year from antibiotics. Every medical treatment has a risk.

The MMR can (very rarely) cause viral encephalitis which can causes autistic type brain damage. Its a risk anyone exposed to any measles strain runs, and the vaccine strain of measles is very weak so it's statistically massively less likely to cause encephalitis than a normal measles infection. It occurs in a handful of kids every year. It was actually on the list of possible side effects when I read through the tiny info sheet when I got my daughter vaccinated. Manufacturers don't deny it, it's on the list of possible adverse effects. It's what the fund to compensate victims of vaccine injuries was set up for.

If your kids gets encephalitis, they will be near death and in intensive care for weeks. Hard to miss.

In case you are wondering, a healthy child with access to good medical care has about a 1/300 ish chance of dying from measles (from crunching the numbers in completely non vaccinated religious communities that had outbreaks). Also about a 10% to 20% chance of needing hospitalization.

The odds of a serous adverse effect to a vaccine like encephalitis is one in hundreds of thousands. Measles infection in an unvaccinated population hits 99% plus, as measles is one of the most communicable diseases on the planet. Do the math, tens of thousands of lives are saved every year by the MMR vaccine.

I have to repeat this...

The causes of autism have been nailed down to genetics and in utero environment. You can easily spot some forms of autism at birth as they have congenital and obvious physical abnormalities that go with them. Autism can be spotted in other new babies with MRI's, as their brain development is different. Some anti depressants have a strong link to autism, they affect brain development in utero, and being a twin serially affects your odd of being autistic.

I read the research into the causes of autism. Vaccines just aren't on the table any more as a cause with the researchers, and for a reason.

I also noticed they had only one Anti-Vaccine Doctor and then 3-4 Doctors or Scientist who were Pro-Vaccine

reply to post by maddog3n8


That's fairer representation of the numbers of doctors backing vaccines having any link to autism. Vaccines-cause-autism supporters are a tiny minority.

I read a lot of the research into the causes of autism,. You might see one fringe doctor per year publishing something that can seem to back up vaccines as a cause, but if you take a good look at the paper and author it usually turns out they are either in the process of suing the drugs companies them self or in the employ of lawyers that are, or the quality of the work is shockingly poor. In one recent study involving monkey brains, all three. The bulk of current research is relentlessly things like 'we've discovered another gene for autism' and 'factors in the womb' and 'detecting autism at birth and in young infants'.

You read those research papers and you just can't logically support vaccines as the cause of autism if it can be diagnosed prior to vaccination age.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Umm where is your evidence? All I read was conspiracy based paranoia.

You conspiracy nuts are deranged and never show any science behind anything you say. You just believe what some other fool dribbles on about and it is gold to you guys.

Con men make a lot of money off the gullible.

I can see how someone would make money by selling people a vaccine that may be dangerous, but how does someone make money by telling people not to take a vaccine?

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i dont have time at present to go through the various links etc but i will return to do so... are you suggesting thought that in some cases encephalopathy is being caused by factors relating to the vaccines, and that this is subsequently being mis-diagnosed as autism?

reply to post by Antigod



Wait....you are kidding me right? So by that logic, there are 20% or 1 in 5 or it would 33% if we include the first doctor who was reportedly disgraced, of doctors who feel that this is ok? So we should just ignore those people? You did read the comment from pedosource.com and the reason why I chose that site was if you do searches there it will open your eyes to how doctors make decisions based on business decisions and not health risk. I would ask that you debunk the University of Calgary's study and thus that the video was tampered with, in that mercury at a very microscopic level kills neurons; you can refute the MSDS sheets, written by the manufactures of the product stating these are the dangers of this substance; you can show were the FDA and CDC's own documents stating thimerosal and aluminum based ingredients are not in vaccines are wrong; you can say the mercury and aluminum are not bio-accumilating; and that a reasonable person would not conclude from that evidence that the vaccines are dangerous. Surely, you can debunk all this and the other evidence that I presented instead of looking at ANOVA! How about bringing evidence that refutes anything that I said was not true.

reply to post by skalla


Yes, that is exactly what I'm stating. Please watch the video, which also gives an education on exactly how this effects the neurofibrils of the neuron. Also, I think that it is important to not, the very low level, much lower than percentages being reported by FDA and CDC documents, for this to take affect. Further, I believe that it states that mercury and aluminum are bio-accumulative, so repeated exposure worsens and the body does not heal. As to the MSDS sheets help emphasize that these metals pass the placenta and blood brain barrier. I sure there are many studies and I don't think any would argue this point, as the DTPD shot for pregnant women at their 20 week confirms this a fact by CDC own admission.

So with everything taken in total and in context; I am positing that what we are seeing is that while one shot wouldn't do it, with the CDC vaccinations that are recommended for the mother plus the some 31 recommended for children by the time they are six, that these taken in total are causing the autism like symptoms. Further, there are just too many reports of kids being fine up until that last shot (whichever it was ...it seems to vary) and then they have seizures, and as the Doctor in the video point out sometimes right in the Doctor's office. I would say that the variance, in that some are affected and others are not, can be addressed by other physical and/or environmental factors such as food eaten during pregnancy, susceptibility, genes, age, etc...

reply to post by kerazeesicko


Umm...I have evidence. Please read mine which I have posted in this thread and then you can bring yours, as I don't see you providing any evidence either.

reply to post by maddog3n8


my perspective here is from a UK POV, and obvs the vaccine situation is no doubt different in the US.
still having not looked at your links and vid etc yet (and i will return to the thread in time to do so) i find that angle more likely.
while working with a mainly ASD client base i have also had clients with encephalopathy - the therapeutic approach i have used has paid great dividends with this as well as ASD.
the crux of my involvement in this thread is really that ASD is way over diagnosed, and that it's roots in genuine cases have far more to do with genetics, diet and society..
it's been a really intersting thread overall, the whole shill nonsense from some participants notwithstanding.

reply to post by texasyeti


I'm not saying that it doesn't cause Autism, but I always queston why, if your post is correct and that people that young cannot protect themelves from the immunisation, then why does it not affect everyone or even more people? I know I had the triple injection as a kid, as did everyone else i know my age and younger, they all seem to be fine. I'm 31 BTW, so I'm not a kid and I do know a lot of people of all ages.

Originally posted by Hefficide
The CDC studies seem to show exactly what Penn and Teller had to say on the matter. There is no correlative data to show that immunizations and autism are related.

What about people BORN with the disorder where the mother NEVER HAD the shots! how do you explain that!

Gotta agree with hefficide on this one.

Originally posted by fr33kSh0w2012

Originally posted by Hefficide
The CDC studies seem to show exactly what Penn and Teller had to say on the matter. There is no correlative data to show that immunizations and autism are related.

What about people BORN with the disorder where the mother NEVER HAD the shots! how do you explain that!

Gotta agree with hefficide on this one.

edit on 24/3/13 by fr33kSh0w2012 because: (no reason given)

That's a different type of Autism, the two cannot be compared. Regressive Autism is what comes from vaccines

Originally posted by nik1halo
reply to post by texasyeti

 

I'm not saying that it doesn't cause Autism, but I always queston why, if your post is correct and that people that young cannot protect themelves from the immunisation, then why does it not affect everyone or even more people? I know I had the triple injection as a kid, as did everyone else i know my age and younger, they all seem to be fine. I'm 31 BTW, so I'm not a kid and I do know a lot of people of all ages.

If someone is sick, malnourished or has recently been on antibiotics this increases the risk of vaccine damage. So too if they have MMR close to DPT i.e. the two triple jabs (most Autism comes from MMR, but 2nd worst is DPT).

Studies have shown that those who go Autistic after MMR/DPT have a difference in their gut flora, as do their mothers.

I can confirm it is the vaccines, science is now showing that Regressive Autism is an autoimmune disorder, in which case it comes from the same place as all the other autoimmune disorders, i.e. vaccination

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by maddog3n8

 

my perspective here is from a UK POV, and obvs the vaccine situation is no doubt different in the US.
still having not looked at your links and vid etc yet (and i will return to the thread in time to do so) i find that angle more likely.
while working with a mainly ASD client base i have also had clients with encephalopathy - the therapeutic approach i have used has paid great dividends with this as well as ASD.
the crux of my involvement in this thread is really that ASD is way over diagnosed, and that it's roots in genuine cases have far more to do with genetics, diet and society..
it's been a really intersting thread overall, the whole shill nonsense from some participants notwithstanding.

edit on 24-3-2013 by skalla because: more typos

reply to post by fr33kSh0w2012


How do you prove someone is born with Autism? There is no way of telling until a person is old enough to communicate.

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by maddog3n8

 

i dont have time at present to go through the various links etc but i will return to do so... are you suggesting thought that in some cases encephalopathy is being caused by factors relating to the vaccines, and that this is subsequently being mis-diagnosed as autism?

Search for "WHALE vaccine encephalopathy" on Google to find out a lot more, but yes, it's the vaccines that cause this. Vaccines are a game of Russian Roulette

reply to post by Rubinstein


Thanks for the education, I did not know that. So in a way, you're saying that it should be the family GP's respoonsibility that the infant is healthy enough to withstand the immunisation, or just have the three seperately? It is obviously insane to not be immunised at all, as the side afects are just as bad for these deseases.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by redtic

Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
Personally, they seem like arrogant cocks to me.

Yeah, funny how that happens when you have the science on your side..

i'm curious....why would DR. OZ, the media darling of all things medical, NOT get his own kids vaccinated....is that some type of tin-foil, looney conspirecy? he says he won't do it in this clip

www.youtube.com...

doesn't he have science on his side?

edit on 24-3-2013 by jimmyx because: spell

Dr Oz is smart, he knows that vaccine science is from the same tree as tobacco science, he also knows his career will quickly be destroyed if he doesn't fiercely push vaccines on the rest of us.

I'm sure he does wish he could tell us the truth, it's a shame that he has sold out to Big Pharma, unlike Dr Mercola.

Originally posted by Rubinstein

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by redtic

Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck
Personally, they seem like arrogant cocks to me.

Yeah, funny how that happens when you have the science on your side..

i'm curious....why would DR. OZ, the media darling of all things medical, NOT get his own kids vaccinated....is that some type of tin-foil, looney conspirecy? he says he won't do it in this clip

www.youtube.com...

doesn't he have science on his side?

edit on 24-3-2013 by jimmyx because: spell

So what is the alternative? Catch the desease? There are single shot vaccines out there, but I trust they play on the maternal instiincts to have one shot of pain,compared to 3.

Dr Oz is smart, he knows that vaccine science is from the same tree as tobacco science, he also knows his career will quickly be destroyed if he doesn't fiercely push vaccines on the rest of us.

I'm sure he does wish he could tell us the truth, it's a shame that he has sold out to Big Pharma, unlike Dr Mercola.