WHITE SMOKE!!!

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It's not only the time that's creepy, the date is creepy too! 3-13-2013... Just add up all the numbers in the date: 3+1+3+2+0+1+3= 13

That's a shame really as I would've loved the Ghanian candidate, Peter Turkson, (even though he was also backed by that useless clown Rodman) to have won and I think that would've done more for the church, especially for widening its influence and following, may be he wasn't suited for the role. As always I would not have wanted him to be the Pope based on colour and origin, there is enough of that rubbish going on already. I just think he comes across as a very humble man, but that is generally the case for all the Ghanian people that I have encountered over the years, they are some of the most peaceful and most friendly people I have ever met.

Anyway, I think these appointments tend to be politically biased, as every appointment of leading positions, its who can serve the overall agenda of the organisation. The Vatican is no different, by appointing an Argentinian, they continue to widen its following in not just South America, but North America also. It sends out a strong message that the church is global. The only issue is whether this guy will continue on as before, or whether he will deal with the ongoing problems that face the church.

For a start it needs to address a global clergy that has been tainted with scandal, that perception needs to change and he needs to be seen as a Pope who will take the necessary disciplinary action for clergyman who fall below being anything other than a man of total piety. If it is a global issue, why and how far ago did this happen? Was it when the teaching and training swayed away from Latin, Thomistic philosophy, and on systematic and Biblical theology altogether to a more 'Modern approach'? Was it then, with diluted teachings playing down the importance of a life dedicated to God, that these roles within the church became a job rather than a dedicated life? Was it that which laid the foundation for those who simply wished to exploit a position of utmost trust for their own pleasure?

I was born Catholic, but now consider myself Agnostic, as much as I have swayed away from the Church to an extent, I actually consider the church to be a good thing and feel that without it, there are many across the planet that would lose any value in life. Don't forget, its easy for us in the Western world to say why is the church relevant when we still live very comfortable lives, there are people across the planet that only have the church.

I hope this new Pope does well, I hope the church continues to grow or at least maintain numbers. Many will argue against the need for religion, in my line work having experienced many countries, many environments and had my life on the line many times, I can tell you that faith to many people is all they have, to take that away would quite frankly do more harm than good for us all. There is good and bad in all races, there is good and bad in all religion, be careful what you wish for because more often than not, its better the Devil you know.

I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade, but how is this going to solve the world's problems?
The children of Burkina Faso will still be picking cotton during 13 hours a day for $15 a month. How can people be so blind?

reply to post by Directive5120



Because this guy is different, didn't you hear? He's assumed the name and persona of the saint of the poor, the humble servent of mankind.
He will sell all of the valuables and properties and ancient, priceless manuscripts and there will be trillions of euros/pounds/dollars raised and the poor shall want no more.

Jesus specifically said that in order to truly follow him and be men of God, then this was what is needed.
So if the new Papa doesn't do this, then the whole thing continues to be a ludicrous sham.

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

OK so can someone fill me in? Are things good we got Francis or is an inner lying conspiracy stating that this is the beginning of the end or... what?

Maybe this pope, besides helping the poor, will finally admit the earth is possessed by alien demons? Will spill the beans on masonry? Will call out the UN for being an israeli-usa warmongering racket?

HAHAHAAAHHAAA yyyyeeeeaaaah right!

The last pope said alien life is possible somewhere in the universe, like 200 light years from here.

The ufos spotted by thousands of folks(trained pilots and trained mariners) are all hallucinating.

There is no such thing as aliens or ufos. Not on earth at least. Nevermind the monuments found and immidiately covered up by NASA on the moon and mars. Or the monuments on earth like pyramids, obelisks, crop circles, large geometric lines, etc.

Anyone that takes religion seriously is a pathetic fool. Sorry if I offend you, but come now. Open your horizons!

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just to thank you for the insight on the new moon conspiracy I quoted your post here

Nostradamus Quatrain II.46

The great star for seven days shall burn
So nakedly clear like two suns appearing
The large dog all night howling
While the great Pontiff shall change his territory.


Comet Ison's path will put it spectacularly close to the Sun in November. 15 times brighter than the moon, Ison will be visible to the naked eye in daylight.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Anyone that takes religion seriously is a pathetic fool. Sorry if I offend you, but come now. Open your horizons!

This coming from the person who just said earth was posessed by Alien Demons???

Do you not see the irony there?

Originally posted by stargatetravels

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Anyone that takes religion seriously is a pathetic fool. Sorry if I offend you, but come now. Open your horizons!

This coming from the person who just said earth was posessed by Alien Demons???

Do you not see the irony there?

Do you know the difference between MAN-MADE religions and spiritualism? Jesus Christ was an elohim project to target the nephelim. Many texts mysteriously vanished, others were altered, much BS attached as well.

As the years went by spiritualism got bastardised more and more. Today's christianity might as well be luciferian pagan worship. I take offense to see Jesus Christ our saviour against evil, nailed on a cross and worshipped as an idol. God fearing people do not worship. They praise the lord and his son. They do not sacrifice either. Sacrifice is satanic/luciferian/pagan.

Also original christians praised the lord and his son on saturday, not sunday. Sunday is the *day of the sun* aka the worship of sun-god horus.

Original christians were prosecuted by jews who rejected christ for what he was. They rejected his miracles and accused him of conspiring to overthrow the status quo of that era. The same jews who persecute and isolate muslims today. Yet todays "christians" are friendly with jews.

Christians were prosecuted by the roman empire. They were fed to the lions. Pagan worship was overt then, now it is covert.

This is why I say people taking religion seriously are delluding themselves. Today's christianity is more than a farce. It is blasphemy towards the elohim!

And why are all important artifacts like the ark of the covenant and noahs ark covered up? Where are they? Probably in the hands of some extremely rich private collector. The knight templars(todays masons) are said to have started the holy crusades just to take the artifacts from jerusalem and return them to the european nobility. The muslim invasion was secondary.

I am not ill informed. People shold turn down blasphemy which only creates conflict and killing. More people have died as a result of believing in man made religions than for any other reason.

Originally posted by Directive5120
I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade, but how is this going to solve the world's problems?
The children of Burkina Faso will still be picking cotton during 13 hours a day for $15 a month. How can people be so blind?

I can see what you're saying, but faith means a lot to people across the world, including those working 23 hours a day for a buck. As I said, there are people in the world who only have faith, it means a lot to them because without it what do they have? It's ok us in our comfortable world being critical of things that appear archaic,draconian and even ancient to us in our modern lives, but when you have nothing but a shack and hard graft to earn a loaf of bread, it means a lot to have faith that no matter what, it will be ok. There are people in South America right not rejoicing at this news, people in many other parts rejoicing that a Pope has been appointed, many of these people haven't got a pot to p**s in! I say good luck to them, because for all the ills that religion can bring, we tend to forget that it enriches many millions, even hundreds of millions every single day. So it can't be all bad, can it?

Originally posted by SecretFace

Originally posted by Directive5120
I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade, but how is this going to solve the world's problems?
The children of Burkina Faso will still be picking cotton during 13 hours a day for $15 a month. How can people be so blind?

I can see what you're saying, but faith means a lot to people across the world, including those working 23 hours a day for a buck. As I said, there are people in the world who only have faith, it means a lot to them because without it what do they have? It's ok us in our comfortable world being critical of things that appear archaic,draconian and even ancient to us in our modern lives, but when you have nothing but a shack and hard graft to earn a loaf of bread, it means a lot to have faith that no matter what, it will be ok. There are people in South America right not rejoicing at this news, people in many other parts rejoicing that a Pope has been appointed, many of these people haven't got a pot to p**s in! I say good luck to them, because for all the ills that religion can bring, we tend to forget that it enriches many millions, even hundreds of millions every single day. So it can't be all bad, can it?

What is wrong with archaic and ancient? The older something is, the more pure it normally is. You are making a false arguement here. The problem is people are worshipping demonic entities without knowing it. Faith based on lies is cruel. Truth sets people free and the last thing the nephelim and their followers want is to set anyone free. The best slave is one who does not know he is a slave.

Originally posted by DevineWisdom
reply to post by Piper96

 

It's not only the time that's creepy, the date is creepy too! 3-13-2013... Just add up all the numbers in the date: 3+1+3+2+0+1+3= 13

Exactly, here is some more numerology - There are 13 letters in his name and his number is 11, sad it was not 13, but 11 is: High spiritual plane, intuitive, illumination, idealist, a dreamer.
Plus his age is 76 = 13. What else - Friday the 13th - unlucky day, but in Spain it is actually Tuesday the 13th.

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Not only that - what you said - but people need structure. It doesn't have to be dictated by anyone, but there has to be some structure. Whether one likes it or not, it is a FACT.

(Ostensibly) structureless "spiritualism" has bred little more than spineless "new age" movements, which, alas, tend to attract and even encourage ignorance. Those "newagers" who have avoided these pitfalls have done so because of some structure in their own ideology.

Originally posted by DevineWisdom
It's not only the time that's creepy, the date is creepy too! 3-13-2013...

What is "creepy" about the time, 19:06?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Do you know the difference between MAN-MADE religions and spiritualism? Jesus Christ was an elohim project to target the nephelim. Many texts mysteriously vanished, others were altered, much BS attached as well.

As the years went by spiritualism got bastardised more and more. Today's christianity might as well be luciferian pagan worship. I take offense to see Jesus Christ our saviour against evil, nailed on a cross and worshipped as an idol. God fearing people do not worship. They praise the lord and his son. They do not sacrifice either. Sacrifice is satanic/luciferian/pagan.

Also original christians praised the lord and his son on saturday, not sunday. Sunday is the *day of the sun* aka the worship of sun-god horus.

Original christians were prosecuted by jews who rejected christ for what he was. They rejected his miracles and accused him of conspiring to overthrow the status quo of that era. The same jews who persecute and isolate muslims today. Yet todays "christians" are friendly with jews.

Christians were prosecuted by the roman empire. They were fed to the lions. Pagan worship was overt then, now it is covert.

This is why I say people taking religion seriously are delluding themselves. Today's christianity is more than a farce. It is blasphemy towards the elohim!

And why are all important artifacts like the ark of the covenant and noahs ark covered up? Where are they? Probably in the hands of some extremely rich private collector. The knight templars(todays masons) are said to have started the holy crusades just to take the artifacts from jerusalem and return them to the european nobility. The muslim invasion was secondary.

I am not ill informed. People shold turn down blasphemy which only creates conflict and killing. More people have died as a result of believing in man made religions than for any other reason.

That is honestly the biggest load of babbling nonsense I've read in a long time.
Obviously the parts about less conflict and the positive aspects are fine bit you talk as if you actually know what you're talking about regarding the elohim and you attempt to speak with authority and authenticity, as if you were there.

It's just deluded nonsense.

You've read some interesting things on crystal links and sacredtexts.org and you've heard other people spouting this nonsense that you merely regurgitate as fact.
It's not, it's deluded nonsense


Anyway this thread is titled 'White smoke!!' So let's knock the 'devil demon pagan sacrifice nephilim' crap on the head shall we?

St. Malachy’s prophecy is literally true. The Pope’s last name is Bergoglio. “Berg” means mountain/rock or “Peter” and Oglio is a river in Italy = Rome. Peter the Roman! Pope Francis is “Petrus Romanus,” the last Pope.




Jorge Mario Bergoglio, child of Italian imigrants.

Berg – German word for the rock. Also English

Originally posted by stargatetravels
He will sell all of the valuables and properties and ancient, priceless manuscripts and there will be trillions of euros/pounds/dollars raised and the poor shall want no more.

Who will be able to afford to buy some of this stuff you mention? Do you advocate ancient manuscripts falling into the hands of the uber-rich, such as some other commercial corporation? Or some despot with lots of other people's money to spend?

If the contents of such were made fully accessible to all, ie net-faced and available for a nominal fee, the RCC could use monies raised to feed the starving or to fund other poverty alleviation projects.

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Museums, wealthy philanthropists who have since time immemorial paid for and donated artifacts and exhibits.
In fact 90% of exhibits in museums are collections amassed by the 'uber-elite' as you call it.


Anyway, why pick that paragraph out of my post, my overall point is undeniable and wholly true.
Those 'holy men' who live in the Vatican are hypocrites who sit on thrones of gold while the rest of the world starves.
Jesus would be disgusted and outraged and what they do and how they live.


That is all.

Originally posted by horizon321
Berg – German word for the rock.

Berg is German for "mountain", not for "rock". The German word for rock is "fels."

Originally posted by DevineWisdom
reply to post by Piper96

 

It's not only the time that's creepy, the date is creepy too! 3-13-2013... Just add up all the numbers in the date: 3+1+3+2+0+1+3= 13

Hey that's my lucky number! (I have taken it upon myself to adopt all superstitious mumbo jumbo based numbers on ATS)