We may have cured father-in-laws cancer naturally - symptoms are gone in three weeks!!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by keenmachine

 

It doesn't matter.
I don't abide those who claim that my doctors were in it for the money. That they only prolong life so they can continue treatment. That they cannot and do not cure.

I am so sick and tired of this crap and those who spout it.

You don't like it? Fine. Make your choice when and if the time comes for you. Hopefully it won't. But don't tell others what to do because of your ignorance.

I don't remember stating my opinion on the matter. I only made a comment to your constant need to correct others, when perhaps a simple but cordial thank you would have sufficed.

reply to post by keenmachine

Sure. Exactly the same situation.
You're absolutely correct.
The OP lies about the people and science that saved my life. I owe him no thanks.

Originally posted by keenmachine

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I would've missed you around here to argue with me on every thread I make

I don't see how. I wouldn't have been here long before ATS existed.

He was congratulating you on beating cancer IF you hadn't you couldn't argue every post he make. Then you tried to say he's wrong, again?

I know I read that and raised my eyebrow, and said wwwhhhaattt???? over that one. Great post Rez. I hope you all the best with your father in law.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by keenmachine

 

Sure. Exactly the same situation.
You're absolutely correct.
The OP lies about the people and science that saved my life. I owe him no thanks.

Ya know Phage, this is a discussion site, people are allowed to express their opinions, there is no need to slander someone because you do not agree with him. The conventional way worked for you. And 27 years ago, your pretty lucky. Maybe his father in law didn't want to go through the chemo, have his hair fall out and all the other fun stuff that happens to you when you kill almost every cell in your body. If this works for him, then that is great to.
I already told my ol' man if I had cancer, I'd just let it go and deal with it. I've watched someone very close to me die from cancer, and the chemo the hospital gave him. Every Christmas eve I usually tie a good one on in his rememberance, cuz that was the day we buried him.

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there is no need to slander someone because you do not agree with him.

Slander? You should look up what the word means but the OP lied and he libeled my doctors.

I say don’t believe the doctors, they get some pretty fat pay checks for simply attempting to stall out cancer. Cutting, burning and poisoning the cancer never really kills it.

That "burning and poisoning" saved my life and it has saved many others.
The OP is encouraging people to avoid doctors. The OP is encouraging others to avoid treatments that can save their lives.

reply to post by Phage


In the end, it is ultimatly, up to the person, what they choose. I think you missed that point. Some people trust doctors and medicine to "cure" what ails them, some don't. I understand why you are passionate about this, but how can someone lie about something if it is their belief???

Edit: I watched him die when you had yours work, at the same time. It is not a pretty thing to watch someone go through. I think you also missed the point that chemo kills all your cells, not just cancer cells, but the all the ones in your body. And I highly doubt that Rez is trying to persuade people into not going to doctors. Refer to above paragraph.

reply to post by thepolish1

I think you missed that point.

No. I got the point.
The OP accuses doctors of being disinterested in saving lives. The OP claims that conventional cancer treatment is useless and is only a ploy to enrich doctors.

And I highly doubt that Rez is trying to persuade people into not going to doctors.

Really? Read it again, one more time"

I say don’t believe the doctors, they get some pretty fat pay checks for simply attempting to stall out cancer. Cutting, burning and poisoning the cancer never really kills it.

reply to post by Phage


Yes, some people are entitled to their opinions of doctors, because it has been speculated in the past that they can cure cancer, they choose not to, to make more money and big pharma can make big money.
I know I can't speak for everyone on here, but just because Rez said don't trust doctors, I do have the critical thinking of making decisions for myself. And just because he said it doesn't make it gospel. It's his opinion. Which he has every right to. And you to yours. Are you going to avoid doctors just because he said so???

reply to post by thepolish1

Which he has every right to.

Sure. He has the right to lie about doctors and cancer treatment. Cancer can be cured by conventional treatment. I am living proof of it. That is not opinion. That is a fact. I would have died a long time ago were it not for those treatments.

I don't have the right to call him out on it?

reply to post by Phage


Ok, it's all a matter of perspective. He doesn't like doctors, and you swear by them, I myself, only go if I absolutly have to. I have tried natural things before, and to no avail. Will I not try them again, maybe, don't know, it depends on the situation. As I have a situation now with my ol' man, I will be looking for herbal supplements to lower blood sugar. After I discuss it with his doctor , of course, the decision is HIS to make. That is my whole point. It is up to the individual. To make the decision for themselves.

Now, we can pick this up tomorrow if you'd like, I have to get some sleep so I can go to work.

reply to post by thepolish1

I myself, only go if I absolutly have to.

Not a good idea. Especially if cancer or other life threatening diseases may be involved.

It is up to the individual.

It is.

And it is inappropriate for somebody on an internet forum to suggest that doctors cannot be trusted and that good food and exercise is all that is required to cure oneself of cancer. It is inappropriate because there are plenty of people who will take that "advice". There are plenty of people who will think "Well, I'll just try it for a month or two and if it doesn't work I'll have chemo." The problem is, that month or two can easily mean the difference between life and death and often does. That is often the root of the claims that cancer therapies "don't work".

It happens that in older men prostate cancer is often a very slow growing disease so a delay in treatment may not be critical. But this is not the case in younger men and it is certainly not the case in most forms of cancer. Time is of the essence in cancer treatment.

I think that the natural "treatments" aren't something to magically "cure" a disease that is so savage. Those natural treatments are more preventative maintenance and should have been in practice, to help possibly prevent, or fight carcinogens from causing our bodies to engage the cancer gene...or whatever.

I've watched too many people, too close to me, die. From Cancer. I find out this week that my wife is in full test mode, for breast cancer. She has been healthier than ever before, in her life. Ran her first half marathon two weeks ago..She will opt for the "burning" and "poisoning" or "cutting"...whatever the doctor's suggest. They are there to save lives.

For all those who abandon doctors and conventional treatment, for alternatives, think of Steve Jobs. It was no secret that he opted for alternative, naturalistic remedies. He had more money than all of us on this site, combined. Cancer killed him. Please consider options with some research that isn't JUST on a conspiracy theory site. (which I suppose would render my advice moot as well). But truly, deny ignorance. It couldn't hurt to supplement conventional treatments with all those alternatives as well.

OP I understand there's nothing mainstream can do with respect to your father in law (FOL)?
It seems by what you describe as doing has improved your FOL's the quality of life.
He is old and there's nothing mainstream can do but pain and symptom mangement.

So it all rests on whether you unlock a documented spontaneous remission or not. I really hope you do.

That is your hope. I guess you have a lot of faith in alt med and the noise that is written about it.
Faith is dangerous path to tread when a persons life is involved. Maybe you will find your truth I dont know.

You are already winning I really hope it does not backfire.
That will be your path in life.

Limbo

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reply to post by Chadwickus

Thank you both, I felt like I was losing my mind....

I'll look deeper into it so I know what I'm talking about...another new subject for study - and here I was just trying to wrap my head around "string theory" once and for all...
I wish it were true that "they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true" -

in any case, G is feeling better, which is a good thing. I do believe diet has a lot to do with cancer's ability to thrive; I try hard to stay away from processed foods and chemical additives. I think the body has all sorts of ways to combat cancer - for example, ion exchange and neutralization of free radicals in the body is thought to occur by way of skin in contact with actual soil. Amazing.

Phage, your arrogance astounds me. You don’t bring any balance to ATS. You’re more harm than good because your only mission is to kill threads. You simply have only one word…NO, NO, NO and never anything else to offer. Everyone is wrong and you are right, but you’re wrong. You have a mission and that is clear…to destroy threads and discourage logical discussion. You simply demean people, treat them rudely, speak down to them as if you are the only answer, and through all of this, you never have anything to offer of your own. You trash people and their ideas, yet we never hear yours, only the reason why someone else’s idea is wrong.

Now here you are on another one of my threads, the great Phage speaks again. This time I share wonderful news that my father-in-law is beating cancer without mainstream medicine, and you want to trash that as well. Many, many people die every day from your mainstream medicine, but you don’t want to acknowledge that at all. You don’t want to say that there are some flaws with it, because you say it saved your life, but what about the countless others that it has failed? When doctors tell someone they have terminal cancer and there’s nothing we can do, why don’t they at least suggest trying an alternative method because at that point, what does someone have to lose? They won’t tell them this because it could prove to work, and OMG, what then?

You want to trash me because I am trashing your science, because you claim to have beaten cancer, which I might say now is highly suspect. You may have made this up just to get onto another thread and trash it as you do best. I have no idea anything about who you really are. You may be some government shill sitting in your dark and gloomy home office with the world’s best hardware and software at your fingertips because the government supplied it to you, so that you can do exactly what you do here at ATS, thread kill! Making up your story about cancer would fit perfectly, because if you hadn’t beaten cancer you’d have less credibility to come on this thread and trash talk the way you are. Am I right? Why don’t you show some evidence that you had cancer and beat it with your science? It's even been suggested that I made this up, lol, I will show the evidence that we've beaten cancer.

We must all begin acknowledging the great Phage and his presence here at ATS. How do we do that? First, we recognize that there are no conspiracies. All is well in the world. Second, we recognize that the government loves us all and would never do anything to harm us.

The Phage mantra to live by here at ATS…”Thou ist wrong, therefore, don’t speak”

You can die from just having surgery. I had a friend tell me his doctor found a small spot on his small intestine a month ago. He said they wanted to cut it out and it was no big deal. He was 72 years old. He was very active and healthy as a horse by his account and from what i could tell. I gave him my opinion, which did not include surgery. He chose to have the surgery, no big deal right? He died 2 weeks later from pneumonia. He never left the bed after surgery. People like to think surgery is simple and safe. Surgery is not safe under any conditions. Sure, there are times when there is no other course of action. There are many success stories. For me, I will try everything i can to keep from having any kind of surgery or poison put in my body. I have had doctors misdiagnose my 2 children on numerous occasions. I have schooled a specialist on his specialty. They do not know everything, they do not keep up with new research. They get stuck in a rut just like everyone else and get lazy.

Originally posted by Phage " I am living proof of it."

to be fair, you're not 'living proof' of anything, other than one more internet forum participant. you are no more, or less, 'real' than anyone else posting here.

Originally posted by Rezlooper
Phage, your arrogance astounds me. You don’t bring any balance to ATS.

Making up your story about cancer would fit perfectly, because if you hadn’t beaten cancer you’d have less credibility to come on this thread and trash talk the way you are. Am I right?

I think you've overstepped the bounds here. Balance on this site is provided by those who know what they're talking about. Otherwise ATS would just stumble down into the rest of the speculative theory morass that defines the internet.

And speaking as another cancer survivor, I'll tell you that it's pretty arrogant to call Phage out as a phoney and question his motives. You guys have a long path ahead of you. Best start with a clear head.

An apology wouldn't hurt, either.

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He called me a liar, is that okay?

Originally posted by Rezlooper
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

He called me a liar, is that okay?

You said, and I quote from your first post:

I say don’t believe the doctors, they get some pretty fat pay checks for simply attempting to stall out cancer. Cutting, burning and poisoning the cancer never really kills it.

That's a falsehood. It is a lie, and it disparages those heroes who have made it their life's work to kill this monster. It negates the progress that has been made, and all those whose lives have been saved. Mine included.

Don't forget, it's these self-same 'frauds' of yours who created the PSA test that is key to monitoring your father-in-law's condition. You wanna learn medicine from the ubiquitous Some Guy on the Net, that's your call.

But actively discouraging sick folks from seeking proper medical attention...kills. And you, my friend, are not there to respond when loved ones are told "If only he had entered treatment earlier, we could have done something".

Rant over.