People have been brainwashed to believe that socialism is evil...

Originally posted by robhines
By the way Americans : we're going to have to be integrated as a species for us to truly move on. Either a solution will come from outside your country that you'll also have to adapt to as we go on, or somehow you'll end up overcoming the crap that you're going through and the rest of the world will end up adapting to the way you've managed to do things. But either way, we're going to have to be on the same page one day.

I won't defend our foreign policy. Our State Dept has been filled with morons and subversives since 1920. Culture of stupid.

What I will say is those of us that keep American running just want to be left alone to live our lives. You bite us, we'll bite back, but we don't want to. This is 90% of America. We just want to be left alone.

Having said that, there's idiots in Washington that think they can get rich projecting our power. I'm a vet. I take a dim (bad word) view of this.

We don't have to be on the same page. Just leave my pages alone, and I'll leave yours alone. And I'll do everything I can to ensure our politicians do just that. You have my word.

Originally posted by tangonine
I thought I'd spelled it out like Sesame street but let's go pre-school for the learning impaired:

Fighting fire with fire they call it.

Socialism is based on the good of the collective.

Unlike capitalism which is based on the bad of the collective, I guess, in pre-school. That's where we are, right?

That means you, as a high achiever, gain nothing.

There never was a high achiever yet who gained nothing.

You'll be folded into the bell curve.

By the low achievers?

You as the lazy underachiever don't need to give anything as you'll be folded into the bell curve.

I wouldn't call a low achiever folding the high achievers into the bell curve "giving" nothing.

The individual. The You. is lost in the collective.

In pre-school.

If you don't understand that then, I pity you.

It doesn't make much sense, but save your pity.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

That means you, as a high achiever, gain nothing.

There never was a high achiever yet who gained nothing.

I await, with baited breath, for you to prove that assanine assumption.

I've seen "bit off more than you could chew" but this is epic....

So off you go. Prove it. speedy.

I've seen high achievers personally wholve failed, but I'll leave it to you, since you tethered to yourself this idiotic argument, to track down every high achiever of mankind and explain why every one of them gained something. I'll give you two weeks as homework. I could give you two decades and you wouldn't be able to do it but I just want to watch you flail around.

I'm sure you're going to distance yourself from that moronic comment once you realize you've been called on it, but I do love to watch clowns flailing... such fun.

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There isn't any bias, there is pure common sense. People have spelling it out for you and others like you in this thread but as they say - You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Originally posted by tangonine
The irony is in your avatar. The greater good for the sacrifice of the individual.

One of the ideas of the Nazis was that the individual was subservient to the needs of the people as a whole, or the State or the Party or Hitler personally, depending on time and circumstances.

I don't think Nazism is relevant to your views one way or the other. It is more related to fascism than socialism.

The greater good for the sacrifice of the individual.

It is very difficult to isolate the individual in a society except in solitary confinement in prison, but then the person is still dependant on society. Recluses and hermit survivalists isolate themselves, but they are indifferent to how society organizes itself.

I don't think you are in that category. I think you are just a fraud who can't accept responsibility, like a lot of gangster capitalists in America, who infest the society and feed on it like parasites while disparaging the debt that they owe to society.

You, absolutely, are my enemy.

I'm just giving a point of view. Where I come from one is acknowledged to be endowed with certain inalienable rights, one of which is freedom of speech.

And since you haven't offered a cognizant argument, you're dismissed.

I wonder what Hitler was like in pre-school.

You can't actually think critically, can you?

I do alright.

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by ipsedixit

That means you, as a high achiever, gain nothing.

There never was a high achiever yet who gained nothing.

I await, with baited breath, for you to prove that assanine assumption.

I guess you've never heard the phrase "contradiction in terms".

I've seen "bit off more than you could chew" but this is epic....

I didn't know pre-school did "epic".

So off you go. Prove it. speedy.

It is impossible for an achiever to achieve "nothing". It is a contradiction in terms. A person who achieves nothing would be a non-achiever, not an achiever or high achiever, right?

Originally posted by tangonine
We don't have to be on the same page. Just leave my pages alone, and I'll leave yours alone. And I'll do everything I can to ensure our politicians do just that. You have my word.

This is a common thing I see from Americans, and by the way, my own inspiration as a person has been mostly influenced by America as far as I know. When it comes to researching world events now though, I research almost constantly and ask myself why I rarely research my own country (UK) as opposed to what's going on with you, (Oh and I'm partly American too of course, 51st state and all!) but it's because you have such a monumental potential as a population to change things (worldwide.) for the better. You don't have to see us as divided, a lot of us have a ton of respect for your people. If you work some solution out you can bet that there's a lot of us elsewhere that will see what you've managed to do and try our best to bring the same solution to other parts of the world.

But to be divided is just something that I don't see any of us moving on from as well as we could together. I just think a natural way that a species moves forwards, and this is regardless of what ideology we choose, is to work together.

And sorry for so many insane typos! I do check posts after though and most of that stuff is edited back out. (I rush to post, then check over more usually.)

Originally posted by ipsedixit


I don't think you are in that category. I think you are just a fraud who can't accept responsibility, like a lot of gangster capitalists in America, who infest the society and feed on it like parasites while disparaging the debt that they owe to societ

That's a huge mistake you're making right there. I've paid my taxes, I've paid more in blood and money to this nation than 95% of it have. I don't ask for anything in return.

See? assumptions. They make you look lie @ss and umption.

explain exactly what fraud it is you think I'm committing. Do tell. I'll wait.

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by ipsedixit


I don't think you are in that category. I think you are just a fraud who can't accept responsibility, like a lot of gangster capitalists in America, who infest the society and feed on it like parasites while disparaging the debt that they owe to society

That's a huge mistake you're making right there. I've paid my taxes,

Why? Did you ever ask yourself why I paid my taxes. Is it because you are a coward? Is it because you have been folded into the bell curve? Are you your own enemy?

I've paid more in blood and money to this nation than 95% of it have. I don't ask for anything in return.

Are you sure you don't feel entitled now, because of your payments, to give your society a good reaming, like all the other "patriots" out there?

See? assumptions. They make you look lie @ss and umption.

I'm not making assumptions. I know I have a responsibility to my fellow citizens. Just how dysfunctional does society have to get before you and your fellow non-socialists wake up to the fact that you are part of the problem and a long way from the solution?

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by ipsedixit


I don't think you are in that category. I think you are just a fraud who can't accept responsibility, like a lot of gangster capitalists in America, who infest the society and feed on it like parasites while disparaging the debt that they owe to society

That's a huge mistake you're making right there. I've paid my taxes,

Why? Did you ever ask yourself why I paid my taxes. Is it because you are a coward? Is it because you have been folded into the bell curve? Are you your own enemy?

I've paid more in blood and money to this nation than 95% of it have. I don't ask for anything in return.

Are you sure you don't feel entitled now, because of your payments, to give your society a good reaming, like all the other "patriots" out there?

See? assumptions. They make you look lie @ss and umption.

I'm not making assumptions. I know I have a responsibility to my fellow citizens. Just how dysfunctional does society have to get before you and your fellow non-socialists wake up to the fact that you are part of the problem and a long way from the solution?

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I paid my taxes because I thought (and still believe) that paying my county sheriffs and my fire department and the crews that keep my roads repaired is good for everyone.

I don't feel entitled to anything. I don't collect 1 penny of govt money. I paid for my own school out of pocket based on the work I did.

"Just how dysfunctional does society have to get before you and your fellow non-socialists wake up to the fact that you are part of the problem and a long way from the solution?"

wtf does that even mean? I'm a problem because I want you to leave me the (bad word) alone? And expect you to achieve based on your own merits? Oh I'm so evil!!!111ELEVENTY. God forbid you should have to carry your own weight, right? Man up, cupcake.

It's awesome we're having this conversation so everyone can see what you "entitlement bunnies" bring to the table: gimme gimme gimme. we want more of what you have but we're not willing to earn it so we're going to booo hooo hoo and cry like little girls.

Thank you so much for this. To quote Admiral Akbar: "It's a trap" and you fell face first into it. clown.

Originally posted by tangonine
I paid my taxes because I thought (and still believe) that paying my county sheriffs and my fire department and the crews that keep my roads repaired is good for everyone.

I'm not sure you realize it but many of your fellow "non-socialists" don't believe that they should have to pay taxes and in fact do everything they can to avoid it. Would you send your money "offshore" if you could? Would you seek out every loophole you can find in the tax laws to avoid paying taxes, if you could afford a high priced tax lawyer? Many "non-socialists" would and do. These are major problems in the US economy, tax avoidance and sequestering funds offshore.

I don't feel entitled to anything.

Well I'm willing to bet that you are entitled to something and in fact have received quite a bit from your fellow citizens. Anything you ever got "free" from the government was paid for by your fellow citizens. Did you go to grade school or high school?

I don't collect 1 penny of govt money. I paid for my own school out of pocket based on the work I did.

That's very laudable, but I wouldn't be too sure that you don't collect money from the government, at least in the form of services.

"Just how dysfunctional does society have to get before you and your fellow non-socialists wake up to the fact that you are part of the problem and a long way from the solution?"

wtf does that even mean?

Your fellow non-socialists are taking too much money out of the economy. They are drinking America dry.

I'm a problem because I want you to leave me the (bad word) alone? And expect you to achieve based on your own merits?

If that were all it was, we would have no problem, but that's not enough for the non-socialists. They are not happy unless they run the table and take everything off it.

Oh I'm so evil!!!111ELEVENTY. God forbid you should have to carry your own weight, right? Man up, cupcake.

People don't mind hauling their own freight generally, although, I grant you there are always a percentage who "work the system". I'm all in favor of putting those people in jail, but let's put the gangster capitalists in jail too. There is a double standard in America. The non-socialists despise people on welfare but suck up to corporate welfare bums and gangsters.

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That's very laudable, but I wouldn't be too sure that you don't collect money from the government, at least in the form of services.
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I pay for that through my taxes, which, as I've stated, I have no problem with so what's your point?

Your fellow non-socialists are taking too much money out of the economy. They are drinking America dry.

Read: democrats. Decidedly not my fellow non-socialsists, in fact, they're the socialists draining the well.

I have no problem rounding up the dirtbag bankers and inside trader but you're going to have to take over the white house and the congress to kill the seed of corruption.

BBL ipsedixit. we got off to a rocky start but I have to run off and teach physics to a freshman class. I think even after the sabre rattling you and I might be closer than we appear in that rear view mirror.

Originally posted by tangonine
I paid my taxes because I thought (and still believe) that paying my county sheriffs and my fire department and the crews that keep my roads repaired is good for everyone.

I don't feel entitled to anything. I don't collect 1 penny of govt money. I paid for my own school out of pocket based on the work I did.

How can you, as a tax payer, not feel "entitled to anything"? I don't understand the logic. I would understand it if you (and me) would indeed not pay ANY taxes at all.

You do not just pay taxes for your sheriffs and roads, a good chunk of your money goes to all kinds of stuff which is likely NOT always to your benefit. Are you ok with the salary and pensions politicians get? Are you ok with this or that government program where billions are spent from YOUR money, where you never gave your consent?

But when it comes to your OWN well-being, education, health-care etc...all of a sudden you guys become guilty because you feel it being *wrong* that taxes are spent for those things, things which actually make sense??
(Short: You pay whatever crazy amount from your money, say, for wars in a desert, or that X gets $200.000 a month salary...but then scratch your coins together so you can go to school? WHERE IS THE LOGIC?

To have no element of socialism whatsoever, ie no public commons, is to forsake civilization itself.

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10-4. Catch ya later.

Agenda 21 is real and not your favorite Socialism .

This is the real topic of discussion . How will you like the Agenda21/ Sustainable Development UN document ruling your life ? Have you actually looked into it to see how close it is going to be to Totalitarianism ?

Originally posted by SimonPeter

Agenda 21 is real and not your favorite Socialism .

This is the real topic of discussion . How will you like the Agenda21/ Sustainable Development UN document ruling your life ? Have you actually looked into it to see how close it is going to be to Totalitarianism ?

The UN is kind of toothless if they provoke a worldwide revolution because they pushed us all too far. Billions against a few upper class and security forces that are split because half of them can see how stupid they are too? If the population wakes up and refuses to go along with fascism there's no slaves to rule.

Originally posted by Druscilla

Originally posted by Kram09

What regime was that? It certainly wasn't the Nazis and don't try to make out that it was.

Anyway as I understand it communism is just a particular strand of socialism and of those communist states that have existed, many had their own interpretations of Marx and his theories and no one system was entirely the same.

Nazism or National Socialism
While the 'Socialism' aspect was an entirely different definition away from Marxist Socialism, it was still called 'Socialism. This in turn contributed to confusion and hatred over what Socialism was/is.

See how that works?

No, it wasn't Socialism, but, it was called that under a different definition.
Those who don't know the difference thus then make a connection where there is none.

Nazi socialism, Commie Socialism.... Socialism is ALL the same... it is Statism which breeds corruption and cronyism. Ferfal has a wonderful quote on the subject:

www.themodernsurvivalist.com...

The basic misunderstanding is, as Frederic Bastiat wrote in The Law, “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain. There is yet another misunderstanding to clear up for those of Christian persuasion, as exemplified in the Book of Acts, 2:24, in the New Testament, which states about the early believers “And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common.” Dr. Jay Richards addresses this superbly in his book Money, Greed and God: Why Capitalism is the Solution and Not the Problem by simply noting that the early Christians held things in common privately, voluntarily and without compulsion. This is light years away from the state forcing sharing, and under compulsion.