People have been brainwashed to believe that socialism is evil...

Socialism starts off as "what's mine is yours and yours is mine", and that is beautiful and all, but socialism inevitably becomes "what's yours is mine because its not fair that i didn't have any to give to you because my finger hurt and i couldn't work - i have a note from the doctor see".
The hard working "units" who better themselves become the evil outcasts or are punished as they improve themselves and cause injury in the form of shame to the lazy who are rewarded with the fruits of others, then it's a vicious downhill cycle from there.

People have been brainwashed to believe that hard work and maximum effort are evil.... And that there is no God.

Who is the mastermind behind it all? Uhm I don't know, mabye.....

Originally posted by primus2012
Socialism starts off as "what's mine is yours and yours is mine", and that is beautiful and all, but socialism inevitably becomes "what's yours is mine because its not fair that i didn't have any to give to you because my finger hurt and i couldn't work - i have a note from the doctor see".
The hard working "units" who better themselves become the evil outcasts or are punished as they improve themselves and cause injury in the form of shame to the lazy who are rewarded with the fruits of others, then it's a vicious downhill cycle from there.

No, that's just an explanation of a way that socialism could fail. If done properly it can work. I'm not trying to say it's an easy thing to do, it wouldn't be easy, but many things that truly move us forwards aren't easy, are they? It takes a consistent effort by enough of us to make something work properly.

It seems like people in general are too negative in their outlook. Maybe when you look at the amount of things we've already messed up that's understandable, but to move forwards we should probably let go of the negativity and realize that there's viable alternatives (yes, like some forms of socialism for example.) to the current capitalist mess that concentrates power in a small group. A group that doesn't really seem to care that much about the rest of us.

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Similar to the United States. People dislike free market Capitalism and Democracy and Republics because of the way they view the US. The US is actually none of these.

Originally posted by primus2012
People have been brainwashed to believe that hard work and maximum effort are evil.... And that there is no God.

Who is the mastermind behind it all? Uhm I don't know, mabye.....

Oh wow, if you're going to say Satan is to blame then I'll just leave it. I said myself maybe there's an agenda to push a corrupt form of socialism onto us in the near future, but again, it doesn't mean that socialism, if done properly, doesn't work.

Originally posted by yadda333
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ETA (in case nobody wants to read all that crap I wrote): Interpellation is the reason we support a system that is constantly proven to benefit only a small percentage of people. It is the reason that poster after poster comes on here and tries to make excuses for the 1%. It is the unconscious obedience to the hegemony of the dominant culture that is reinforced through the Ideological State Apparatus.

UMMM - not anywhere near the dictionary definition that I found ==

Websters:


Definition of INTERPELLATE

: to question (as a foreign minister) formally concerning an official action or policy or personal conduct
— in·ter·pel·la·tion noun
— in·ter·pel·la·tor noun
Origin of INTERPELLATE

Latin interpellatus, past participle of interpellare to interrupt, from inter- + -pellare (from pellere to drive) —

Ah - I found it:

You must have taken a class:

interpellation

Interpellation is the constitutive process where individuals acknowledge and respond to ideologies, thereby recognizing themselves as subjects.

csmt.uchicago.edu...

Oh, now this is interesting:

Interpellation

Interpellation, a term coined by French Marxist philosopher Louis Althousser, describes the process by which ideology addresses the individual. To illustrate how interpellation functions in the context of ideology Althousser used the example of the policeman who shouts "Hey, you there!" At least one individual will turn around (most likely the right one) to "answer" that call. At this moment, when one realizes that the call is for oneself, one becomes a subject relative to the ideology of law and crime. According to Althusser, this is the way in which ideology generally functions. We are all always caught up in the process in which we voluntarily acknowledge the validity or relevance of the dominant ideology in which we live for ourselves and thus subject ourselves to it. The example of the policeman furthermore suggests that we really have not a choice in this matter. Were we to ignore the call, we would sooner or later be forced to adhere to it. Interpellation draws on the theory (developed by Althousser and critics such as Roland Barthes, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, Julia Kristeva, and Jacques Lacan) that the notion of the autonomous, fully coherent and actualized human subject is an illusion, an ideological construction meant to further the agendas of capitalism and liberal humanism (and thus a central feature of their discourses). In fact, human beings are emeshed in numerous discursive and social structures that to a greater or lesser degree shape an individual's identity. Further, individuals in modern societies are not of "one mind,." but have contradictory and fragmented consciousness that includes a dimly understood subconscious. Film theorists in the 1970s used the concept of interpellation to posit the concept that mainstream cinema acts as an "apparatus" to position the viewer to "misrecognize" herself through her identification with the fictional characters on the screen. Both the technological features of the cinema and the features of classical Hollywood cinema worked to create the illusion of coherent, autonomous individuals solving conflicts, moving from disunity to unity, etc. These critics argued that the cinema thus served an ideological function not only in its general content but it the very nature of the experience. Although many other critics have rejected this "anti-humanist" approach, which minimizes the possibility of individual agency and control in the process, the concept of interpellation still provides a useful framework in those cases when filmgoers seem to react in perfect sync to the ideological cues within a film, especially when the cues relate to individual psychology and character identification.

[1] Adapted in part from Brooker, A Concise Glossary of Cultural Theory

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Originally posted by primus2012
People have been brainwashed to believe that hard work and maximum effort are evil....

No some of us just aren't stupid enough to think that any amount of work done equates to a person earning Billions of dollars, owning multiple mansions, Ferraris, Yachts, private planes....

There are flaws in the system and we can't even discuss them without a bunch of brainwashed people shouting "Socialist!"

Originally posted by primus2012
People have been brainwashed to believe that hard work and maximum effort are evil.... And that there is no God.

Who is the mastermind behind it all? Uhm I don't know, mabye.....

People have not been brainwashed to believe that there is no God. They have been educated to realize that it is incredibly more likely that he doesn't exist.

Attributing socialism to Satan is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

Stay on your meds, please.

Originally posted by FyreByrd

Originally posted by Golf66
Not unless stupid ineffective and evil are synonyms. Socialism is counter to human nature. I don't want to type out the "scorpion and the frog" parable it's applicable in this case.

In fact cooperation (socialism) has been shown to be beneficial to evolutionary progress - look it up!!!

www.scientificamerican.com...

On the other hand ingnorance is not....

Neither is blatant propaganda like (Socialistic) Scientific (Anti) American.

SciAm is no longer scientific OR American and went commie a LONG time ago.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Should I mention the multiple millions killed by Stalin.The millions that died of starvation in NK, the pverty of most other socialist countries.... and there are countless stories that go on and on and on....

All those who are counting Socialism Evil by numbers of reported dead under the regime should look to the millions that died at the hands of the US and the European Imperialists and are still dying by the millions. Add in good capitalist churches and the numbers go even higher. I can't quote them - because they aren't published.

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by FyreByrd

Originally posted by Golf66
Not unless stupid ineffective and evil are synonyms. Socialism is counter to human nature. I don't want to type out the "scorpion and the frog" parable it's applicable in this case.

In fact cooperation (socialism) has been shown to be beneficial to evolutionary progress - look it up!!!

www.scientificamerican.com...

On the other hand ingnorance is not....

Neither is blatant propaganda like (Socialistic) Scientific (Anti) American.

SciAm is no longer scientific OR American and went commie a LONG time ago.

Oh that's funny - you don't get much more main stream (corporate) then SciAM.

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by primus2012
People have been brainwashed to believe that hard work and maximum effort are evil....

No some of us just aren't stupid enough to think that any amount of work done equates to a person earning Billions of dollars, owning multiple mansions, Ferraris, Yachts, private planes....

There are flaws in the system and we can't even discuss them without a bunch of brainwashed people shouting "Socialist!"

No warranty on defective parents
Born in wrong social status
All other users are idiots
No complaint department

I will not be purchasing a reincarnation package.

Oh look, it is the usual left class warfare rhetoric.

Hey, I am more then willing to talk about those evil 1% - as long as we are willing to talk about the entitled leeches of society as well. I won't hold my breathe waiting for that to happen.

I'm going to go watch Star Trek - a show about a wonderful Socialist Future.

It’s like living in a fantasy world, and each new idea creates a new twist to the plot that never has any actual ending, because the social media stops people from actually BEHEADING the queen or the Pope or the presidents and instead keeps us in a dream state of socially interconnected nonsense!
Welcome to your self-created and perpetuated Matrix – Facebook, Infowars, Youtube
That is why social media was invented and so well funded by governments and corporations – not to connect the people to the world but to disconnect the people of our country by making them interconnected in their minds.

This is the Matrix....

We are victims of our own ignorance and willful consent and compliance to the tyranny and oppression......

The average person is not brainwashed, they are just retarded.

People have been brain washed to believe that the govt knows whats best for the individual.

Enough Said

Boy this sounds like a NWO/ UN/ Agenda21 promotion . The UK has been disarmed and demoralized and the NWO is moving in The NWO is a Socialist/ Communist movement .The problem with Socialism is that it always proceeds to Communism or Totalitarianism . People of the United States like our guns ,cars ,air conditioner and living where we want to live . We like the freedom of doing what we want . Living under a governments definition of Sustainable Development now called Agenda 21 is not acceptable . Nor is their intent to decrease population by control of food or health care .The Protocols of Zion are lighting the path for the perpetrators of the NWO . Those Protocols are no longer deniable as they have become a self evident and fulfilled plan by the very people who literally run this world .

Originally posted by FyreByrd
I'm going to go watch Star Trek - a show about a wonderful Socialist Future.

Star Trek is also a fantasy where technology can freely create all necessary things. Where the creation of goods is a matter of artificial replication. Since the people of star Trek are not bound by the confines of necessity as we know it today they have no use for traditional economics, or even the socialism you advocate.


The fact is, the only fair system is a system free of coercion. Where voluntary participation in the economic system is the key. A free market based economic system is the only way a society that requires a means of exchange for goods and services, like money, can function.

Socialism can only work in a star trek society. But the technology employed by the fictitious society created by Gene Roddenberry has no use for such a system anyway.

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Socialism doesn't work in star trek. He was being sarcastic.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that people just parrot their anti-socialist rhetoric and do absolutely no research on opposing points. You didn't even do enough research to realize that this fellow is on your side.

Keep chirping, birdie.