Vatican Prophecy, the End of Religion, and Shift to Universal Consciousness

Its probably been said, but "the end of religion" is part of the NWO plan
interesting thread though, it really gets the reader thinking,

S & F

PEACE,
RK

reply to post by BornOfSin


Interesting it is, but what troubles me is that the poster chose the name "born in sin". If you didn't believe in religion, why then choose that name?

As I've stated before, I am not religious. I do find it amusing that such a thread has amassed flags and stars while other more realistic threads more pertinent to our existence seep through our collective fingertips here on ATS. Especially those without any form of credibility or links to back them up. (Much like this thread.)

As it stands, religion (pick one, any will do) has more credibility then what you have posted here.

reply to post by BornOfSin


First, let me say I DON'T believe in God and think religions to be stupid. But I'm no Atheist (which true definition is: To BELIEVE without any proof in the absence of a Creator of All.).
I'm an Agnostic. I simply admit that there is no definite proof one way or another. We simply don't know.
How much we DESIRE there is a Creator of All (Religious and Deists) or not (Atheists) is irrelevant to the TRUTH (the one we don't know).

Second, you, OP, are either a liar or a deceived man. In any case, your whole demonstration contradicts your first claims:

Claim A: "Faith is about not wanting to know the truth."

I totally agree with this. Yet, let me say that it's not the definition of Faith, it's one of the consequences of having faith.
The definition of faith is (should be) this: Believing (in) something without or against any proof.

That being said you pretend to have no faith. This is a lie since:

- You ask us to have faith in (believe you).

- You believe (have faith) that you 'met' "intelligent non-human beings that gave you knowledge/truth."
What proof do you have they were truly extraterrestrials?
What proof do you have they were telling you the truth? That it wasn't an elaborate scheme to further their agenda.?

- It also means you have faith in them (their word, their teachings). Yet, you don't KNOW (you have no definite proof) who they truly are and if the story they feed you is true.

Claim B: "We entered an age where religions are not necessary and will vanish."

If only this could be true... BUT what YOU propose is NOT the abolition of any religion but the submission to a 'new' one (in fact it's OLD paganism revamped as 'new age').

One that tries to make us BELIEVE all the mystical BS propaganda developped by new age gurus.
So, contrary to your claim, you don't to "free us from unnecessary religions", you pave the way for a 'new' one.
You try to use science to strengthen your claims about global consciousness and all this $hit.

Well, you're out of luck since Quantum Physics is a lie and NOT science. It (as the concepts and ideas underlying it) was created for the very purpose of justifying mysticism and the "new age religion".
Quantum Physics IS mysticism.

Within the emerging field of science known as Quantum Physics lies an amazing discovery we call ‘Quantum Entanglement’.
‘Quantum Entanglement’ is the result of two particles being charged with the same flavour so they then become ‘Entangled’ with each other
[...]
Here is the really amazing part; if you were then to take one of those particles and drop it on the other side of our universe; then once again turn the local particle, the particle on the other side of the universe would react in opposite matter INSTANTLY. This is documented fact.

1- You have obviously no idea what you're talking about. This is a very complex subject full of disinfo (by the scientists themselves). Yet, you BELIEVE (have faith) in these lies without having the capacity nor the logical mind necessary to understand or invalidate (at least logically and through fundamental theory) the concepts used in QT.

2 - Quantum Physics, or the concept of entanglement, are NOT emerging fields. They are a century old.
Quantum Mechanics was created by a small group of men and is ANTI-scientific by nature.

3- Quantum entanglement (like the non-locality and uncertainty principles and many others) is a lie and, contrary to what you claim, has not been proven to be a fact. (By the way, there were OBVIOUSLY no experiment on 2 particles on each side of the universe.)

Entanglement is a stupid mystical idea trying to explain the apparent behavior of a SPLITTED photon.
The 2 photons created (from ONE photon by passing through a crystal) follow opposite paths and have opposite spin(s because it can change depending on the obstacle/mirrors they encounter).
What is 'mystical' or mindboggling about that? NOTHING.

There is NO interaction between the 2 splitted photons. Everything is determined at the moment they split.
Think SYMMETRY (caused by the division of the original photon energy in two identical yet opposite ones)

So, they create a fable (quantum entanglement, non-locality, uncertainty... ) and from these stupid (purposedly confusing and anti-scientific) ideas (which have stopped science evolution) go on and declare that Reality is a-causal.

NO INTERACTION is INSTANTENEOUS. This is denying causality and logic... Just what they need to create chaos in science and in your mind.
In science, to halt it (Science has NOT evolved in a hundred years. Only technology did)
In your mind to be able to fill it with all the mystical BS they see fit, TO CONTROL YOU even further by abolishing any notion of good and bad.

reply to post by Auricom


Exactly, glad you point that out: There is NOTHING proven in this OP. Only claims and, more than that, claims contradicting themselves.

This all BS. But it allowed me to show what he's truly trying to do and debunk the claims he made by speaking of the lie Quantum Physics is.

On page ten of this thread, I posed NUMEROUS relevent questions to the OP. Still no reply, which suggests to me...he is full of crap.

Someone DID reply to my question of why dont aliens just send down a virus from their mothership and wait til we die off? The response given was as asinine as this thread..."The aliens wouldnt do that because humans would just make a vaccine against it." Bwahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

Yeah...here you tout how we are all gonna be at these aliens' mercy. They can travel the stars, they can infiltrate human governments, they can breed with humans, kidnap cows, and they do all of this without one single piece of tangible, credible PROOF. However...these aliens must have trouble with Biology and Science.

I hope the person who replied with that vaccine crap understands that if an alien species sent down Ebola....just Ebola...it would KILL 50% of the population of Earth in just 5 days. Five days is not enough time to innoculate 6+ billion people...tard.
Then, with 50% of people gone, they could either let the rotting carcasses cause more disease to humans...or....they could send a package of a SYNTHETIC VIRUS down. No scientist on the planet could create a vaccine for a synthetic virus. They would need to know the properties of such a virus and since it was created off world...it would be impossible. Not to mention, it takes months and months to even create a vaccine from antibodies of immune people. Its called critical thinking...apply it liberally.

You alientards are worse than Bible thumpers by a factor of googalplex. You offer less proof of your alien gods than Christians do for their God. You bring ZERO facts, plenty of conjecture, and a whole lotta delusions to add to your grandeur. All the flags on this thread are scary because it shows just how mentally retarded alot of people on ATS have become.

Seek help....HUMAN help lol.

Originally posted by orangutang

Originally posted by sealing
You have 33
vertabrae all leading up through your 7 seals (chakras) to where it ends
at your Temples. Real astrology and knowing the Sun is the future of mankinds
religion. (Again)
And I know of no ET types, in these teachings.
Only Hermes or Thoth or Jesus, Buddah etc.
The great intelligences are the Sun and planetary bodies above.

edit on 1-3-2013 by sealing because: No ET's

could not locate a comment on your post so i just want to point out there are 24 vertebrae last time i looked. unless you count 5 for the sacrum and 4 in the coccyx. maybe i got 9 missing. 5 lumbars, 12 dorsal/thoracic and 7 cervical. does your theory still hold?

7 cervical
12 thoracic
5 lumbar
5 fused vertebra sacrum
5 fused vertebra coccyx (embryologically)

But some people have their 5th lumbar vertebra fused with their sacrum.

So I guess the total would depend on if you counted the fused individually or as one.
Regardless, the total individual vertebra total 34. Chaka Kahn, Chaka Kahn everybody Chaka Khan....

reply to post by Rigel Kent



Good point too. But it's not the end of religions, but the 'official' ones.
The goal is to replace them by a "One World Religion". And that's EXACTLY what Born Of Sin is proposing. He's paving the way for and introducing us to it.

He's among the ones who develop concepts like the one of Mother Nature and the necessity to live in harmony with it... It appeals to everyone because it sounds true, respectuous (of or environment) and responsible.
It would be fine if they were not pushed to justify depopulation, abolition of property and control of where and how you live.
This is one example but there are many (like the idea that humans beings are divine/perfect creatures - meaning we can do what we please without refering to any moral or notions like right and wrong because hate, envy, greed, violence are part of what we are and as we are perfect, these emotios and the acts induced by them are 'natural' - Universal Counsciousness, Holographic Universe...).

Look at the concepts they (new age gurus) use, what they implicitely or incidently mean and to what they can be applied to. And ask yourself: "How, specifically and pragmatically, will they implement these ideas. And that's when you realise what they intend to do with/to us to acheive these goals.

Mysticism (Like the New Age religion) is based on pseudo-scientific concepts (understand that Science itself is partly mystical since the creation of Quantum Mechanics) like non-locality principle, uncertainty principle, virtual particles... which allow them to declare Reality A-causal and, then, to create a new 'Reality' and, therefore, a new 'Morality' (more like IM-morality) and rules/laws that suit it better.

A twisted and shapeless new paradigm ready to change whenever they need to justify different and, most certainly, damaging choices and actions affecting us as individuals, communities or as a species.

Everything (even the most inhumane behaviors and actions) can be justified if Reality is declared a-causal. It means that as it's all a matter of perception, that truth is relative, there is no right and wrong, true and false, reality and dream, but only what we desire and fear..

reply to post by CaptainOblivious


Fitting name considering you obviously didn't read all the replies; cause I did answer you. Even though there was no real intelligent argument in what you responded with.

reply to post by 1Agnostic1


I never asked you to have faith in me and believe me. Another case of people trying to put words in my mouth for the benefit of a thin argument.

I don't care if you or anyone believes me.

I say 'claimed' extraterrestrials. Based on things I've been shown; I have a degree of 'trust' in this.

And as I stated in the start of the original post; I am a conduit for the information. I am presenting it as they wanted. It does not ONCE ask for you to be believe it, or that I am certain that this is fact.

'Trust' says; 'He said he had fish for dinner; as I cannot be certain of of exactly what he had for dinner, I trust that he actually had fish for dinner.

'Faith' says; 'He said he had fish for dinner. Therefore; no matter what anyone else says; I know he had fish for dinner.'

Originally posted by cantyousee
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I am just jumping in here. I have read several of the posts on this thread. I very much believe in these beings called "archof" and such. and I believe that they have contacted the op here and given him much information regarding their purpose. I am not ignorant of the reality of this thread. But at the same time I must
interject somewhat concerning the desperation which is behind the whole mascarade of these so-called benevolent saviors. I am a simple man of faith but my faith is one backed by power. I have no fear at all of dissing these poor condemned beings. I could care less if they are horrified at my disrespect of them. They know who i am and where I am. maybe. But they are no Gods so they might not know at all. Let them try to
enter my space and bring some terrible plight upon me for my disrespect of them. They know full well the power behind my faith and they had better abide it. These are nothing more than condemned beings who are now refugees from God's dwelling. They have but a short time to play god and then they will be cast into the depths.
Anyone who would take them serious and follow them surely deserves the hell which they will enter.
Be not deceived in false doctrines and false gospels but worship the true God that created all that is.

Cant help but feel so helpless about all those being led astray. It seems almost pointless to try and proclaim the Gospel anymore. It just gets ignored in these threads...except for being mocked. Everyone knows the time is getting very short.
I also am ready for whatever delusions these desperate entities send my way. Their time is indeed short.
Liked your post.

reply to post by pistolerooo


They are dimensional, not galactic.

The greys do not have galactic capability.

The reptilians do.

Pleiadians have neither. They use reptilian technology and are inhabitants of a dimensional world related to ours.

Apparently dimensional travel is an easier science to conquer than galactic.

reply to post by stosh64


I am very sorry there was nothing in what I offered that could evolve you from your two dimensional perspective of 'God'.

Peace, love and light.

reply to post by BornOfSin

I am very sorry there was nothing in what I offered that could evolve you from your two dimensional perspective of 'God'.

Peace, love and light.

And what, exactly, is your perspective? And what makes it better or more accurate than anyone else's?

Firstly,

I did state I wouldn't be replying to this thread any more. After I had a long, therapeutic sleep and good gig with my band tonight; I went out and talked with my 'friends' and they said that they would like me to continue with this thread.

So; although I'd prefer just to let everyone 'take it or leave it' with the information that I gave you; I will continue to post.

Having said this; throughout all of my posts I have made every effort to be respectful of the feelings of those who maintain a strong religious belief. I have not (intentionally) criticised, belittled or insulted their beliefs beyond presenting an alternative belief in events pertaining to religion. In fact I have presented the validity of purpose for religion in our history. The only person with whom I insulted throughout this is one person who made insinuations of me trying to gratify myself through these posts and making personal attacks on me and my 'ego'.

Therefore; if you'd like me to respond to your post. Keep your questions or arguments within the context of countering the original information presented. If you want to make assumptions on my motives, mental-state, or make any other thinly constructed responses which lack substance. "Empty vessels make the most noise"; and those who can't construct an intelligent argument will always resort to such posts.

MOST IMPORTANT; do not bother to quote scripture of any type to me; especially regarding me being the Antichrist or false Prophet. There is nothing within the Bible that cannot be misinterpreted, or interpreted in a way that suits yourself. This is one of the many reasons why its time needs to end. Two people within the same religion can have varying interpretations on one verse, that would see them at odds.

It is count-productive to the evolution of our species. Therefore all you will do by quoting scripture to me, is illustrate this problem and it's control over your free-thinking ability.

I am actually going to start a project within the next week where I plan to go through the entirety of the Bible from start to finish and reinterpret it for the benefit of the 'overly-analytical' who can't take the text in the simplest context that it is intended.

Any replies of these type will be ignored. I will only reply to those who I believe have put thought into what they are saying; present a valid argument or have missed something.

I am not wanting you to believe me. I am wanting to share what I am being told; nothing more.

I am not going to start a movement, cult, church or anything else as it contrary to the wisdom of the information shared.

Also, don't get stroppy if I don't answer you. If you have something intelligent to say I will definitely get around to answering. If I don't, it will be for the reasons I just mentioned.

reply to post by rusty moon


People sit and watch UFO's for hours at a time, and I've been told that VERY, VERY, VERY few people are intelligent enough to establish any form of communication.

I was first regarded as they were 'intrigued' by the fact that I not only figured out how to make contact and send a message to them, but then made a very simple method for communicating yes or no.

It was the following night that, about an hour into talking to them and asking questions that I realised that they could 'hear' my thoughts. From there I didn't need to 'speak' my questions to them. One-way telepathy.

I wouldn't allow 'voices in my head', they did try on several occasions to 'speak to me', but I wouldn't allow this to happen. To anyone out there who has had any type of telepathic connection involving of voices in your head. Always remember that YOU are in control of your own mind. And you control what happens within your mind.

It was not until AT LEAST six months later that I started to develop telepathic abilities of my own beyond 'feelings'. And this was not done of my own mind, they believe that this is a type of 'by-product' of a ridiculous amounts of time spent communicating with them.

I have some advice for you; next time you make a response. Try to actually contribute substance to your post instead of just mocking the posts of those have made an attempt to share on this forum. The post you made only serves to make you look unintelligent and childish.

Also if you're so averse to the types of things that are being shared on this forum, then you are in the wrong place, or at least the wrong section of the forums.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


And what leads you believe I think it is better? Was that an attempt to paint me as claiming superiority?

I have posted information on a public forum that people have choice in reading. I am not knocking on their doors offering to save them or handing out flyers at a supermarket. If you feel this thread is nonsense then please feel free to click the little X up on the top right of this page.

He found no relevance for his life to what I presented, for which I apologised.

Also, my perspective is that there is no 'God' in the context held by religion. But, there is a force within the universe that not only equates on the same 'sacred' level, but is by far stronger and more divine in nature. This is 'consciousness' as I stated within the original posts. The fact that you asked shows that you also failed to find any benefit in what I was saying.

That is fine, I respect your beliefs. So just disregard the thread. Peace.

Originally posted by BornOfSin


Also if you're so averse to the types of things that are being shared on this forum, then you are in the wrong place, or at least the wrong section of the forums.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself,
you will succumb in every battle”
― Sun Tzu

reply to post by BornOfSin
Hmmm.....I wonder if maybe bornofsin could possibly be a victim
of HAARPs 'mind control' or 'thought implants'?

Ahoy, OP! Fantastic read.

I went through the first few pages and then realized that there were 14 MORE pages of back and forth and so I skipped to the end to post this. Now, I wonder if in those missed pages.. anyone else caught the similarities between the proposed replacement of the world's religious institutions and... wait for it..

The Force?

I always thought that maybe Lucas was onto something in that his entire Galaxy had no actual 'religion', but there were a group of 'in-tune' individuals (BOTH sides / nature's duality) using and/or studying the Force.

In the original Star Wars film, the Force is first described by Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi as an energy field created by all living things, that surrounds and penetrates living beings and binds the galaxy together.

The Force

Yes, it's a wiki link.. but it IS The Force we're referring to, afterall.

S&F for presenting a well-thought thread, regardless of the source (be it intuition or an orange light.. i don't really care either way!)

reply to post by BDBinc


Now that I am clean? What exactly do you mean by this? I am not sure what you were insinuating with that comment, but I get the feeling that I should resent it. You ever stayed up at night with thoughts running through your head? Multiply that by 10,000 and have a majority of what you are thinking about be things that you can barely comprehend. There was a DESPERATE need for me to sort and compile the information I had in my head, and it was not until I managed to purge a majority of it that my mind was still enough that I could sleep.

You could very well be right. Of course it may be me that is being deceived, I acknowledge that. But I fail to see why they would go to such efforts to try and help me attach to a higher consciousness, to enslave me?

It would serve their purposes far greater to leave us as a detached race of beings.

You need to remember that this is all concerning our species reaching a stage in our evolution where we are able to understand the complexities of the nature of the universe and our divine connection within it.

The view of 'enslavement' is interesting to me as it vaguely reminds me of a child protesting about being mistreated by parents who wont let them do whatever they want to as they are insufficiently equipped to deal with the world yet. We have not; until now; been at a stage of civilisation where we showed all the necessary elements of a race who did not require 'supervision'. The widespread attachment to the security blanket of religion is a prime example of this fact. By this it is in no way surprising to me that many are so resistant to the possibility of what I am telling them to be true.

Also; remember that for a majority of our history we HAVE been left to our own devices, to evolve naturally. This is a key factor in the 'mission' behind the role the Annunaki played in our development.

Although they seeded our knowledge with their teachings and established the institutions of our civilisation; they were to play a passive; back-seat role in a majority of our development, which they had.

What I believe they are offering me; which I am trying to share; is a chance for us to move to the last stage within our development as a species. Which is counter-intuitive if you hold the mindset that we are to be enslaved.

I will continue to seek all the information that is offered to me, although I may seek a different method for distributing such information.