Vatican Prophecy, the End of Religion, and Shift to Universal Consciousness

I have been encouraged to sign up as a member of ATS after becoming a regular visitor over the last four months or so. There is some great and inspirational stuff to be found here. This thread for me has been the catalyst to make it official. I will make an introduction piece shortly but just wanted to say to BornOfSin, this is really challenging and fascinating information, and you write beautifully, so the vast and complex flow is presented well and makes me want more.
The orbs you speak of sound like lights and orbs which I have had numerous experiences with over the last few years around the Grampians area of Western Victoria, and the knowledge imparted regarding the Gnostic teachings is something I have come into contact with via my own seeking. It sounds like you are really prepared to do the work, and/ or have found yourself compelled to do it now that you have begun this truly multidimensional journey. Good on you.
Do you have a science background?
You seem to be able to impart this super intricate body of spiritual science in a very clear way.
I love that you have used your Android flashlight app to Morse Code these beings of light!! Utterly priceless!
Does the term The Lumen mean anything to you?
I will be following this thread with great eagerness. Get plenty of rest and eat and drink healthy, although you sound like you are a very switched on individual. (I love that word!)
We are really onto something here.
Thank you

I can see your explanation about the creation of Religion to control a society, for the good of the people.
However, this thing involving aliens is just too much for me. For the last 70 years, the answer to Earth's
problems is that some alien race coming to "Help us", BULL!!! I'm afraid that we are destined to isolated,
forever. the distances of space are too vast for us to contact or be contacted by other beings. At best, we
may, make it to a planet to get our genome off of this rock before we are incinerated by our sun.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the "real deal - life". There will not be The Federation of Planets or Angles
that will come and save us, we are the only help there is. We will be the ones to save ourselves and Mankind's future IF, we can get our heads out of our asses.

reply to post by BornOfSin


Great post. People are quick to forget information is just information. There is no such thing as good/bad information in fact there is no such thing as good or evil as this is only a perception created by duality. Everyone has their own inbuilt "moral compass" to guide them to their truth how they see it.
I am also 33 and live in the Northern Territory and have had a similar experience. I can relate to having so much "downloaded" information it can make you feel crazy and take time to understand it.
Just as duality is a part of the this physical experience i believe it to extend into the "Astral" or what we might call the non physical. Technically the "Astral" could still be considered a physical environment due to its vibration. How this is important to me is that not everything outside of our five sense reality has our interests as their agenda.
I believe this duality concept is the basis for learning and self progression because if you want to be free and experience freedom, then you simply must have something to be "free" from. Without duality their is no context for anything to be comprehended and thus what would be the point of free will. It is just my intuitive belief that we must rise above duality in order to see our truth without the distortions of polarizing to either side (+/-).
Consciousness seems to reflect itself outward/inward as microcosms within macrocosm. If you were to look at an atom with the electrons revolving around a nucleus of protons and neutrons keeping everything together & moving constantly seeking balance, then look at our solar system there are remarkable similarities (the electrons are as far removed from the nucleus as the planets are from the sun). Physical matter is made up of atoms which combine with elements to form molecules and in turn make us what we are comprised of (not solid at all on the atomic scale). So surmising that physical matter exists of positive, negative and neutral charges what would happen if the atom decided to kill of all the negative electrons? The atom would no longer exists as and atom and the nucleus and protons would not be held into place. If humans represent these 3 potential charges are we not killing of the "electron" aspect of ourselves? Always looking for the enemy that does not exist other than in our perceptions might be why we are on track to self annihilation (we will just keep finding new "enemies" until there is nothing left)
Back to my point, be very careful with intelligence that can cause "a mental" separation of ourselves to one another. Its the same card that the controlling aspect of our society plays keep us divided and ignorant.

reply to post by BornOfSin


For several years I have read threads on ATS. However, I refused to join because I choose to share my thoughts with very few. Your thread, my friend, was the deciding factor triggering my decision to join. I do not necessarily agree with you, nor do I disagree, for "my opinion would simply be a vanity with no intrinsic value" (Clarissa Pinkola-Estes - Women Who Run With Wolves.) I do, however, applaud you for your courage to do what you believe to be right.

The reality is that humanity is faced with an incredibly complicated puzzle. At this point in our evolution even our greatest minds do not appear to possess the intellect or wisdom to solve this puzzle. Based upon that great limitation, should we not all practice humility by quietly and respectfully listening and gently debating voices such as your own about what the puzzle, in it's completed form, might look like? For within the voices are most often tiny fragments of truth that are sent to awaken us. The fact is that none of us know what the puzzle actually looks like. If, in the final analysis, we find that there is no truth in the tale you have told, we have lost nothing. Like the bards of old, you have entertained us and provided food for thought, so we drink to your health and happiness.

My belief is simple. When we have evolved spiritually to the point that we are capable of grasping the truth, it, in all its glory, will be revealed to us. In the meantime, we rest in the Mind of the All - where we live and move and have our being. For me, this requires letting go of the fear and remembering that the Creator is in charge. It requires questioning old paradigms and believing enough in myself to seek the truth, even when it does not agree with what I have been taught. This, moving beyond fear, is mental alchemy, transmutation that moves me into a higher state of being. I am secure enough in my belief in God's love to do this.

Like the Norse Fate, Skuld, who weaves the threads of possibility into one's tapestry, you have woven well. The lightening strikes above St. Peter's Basilica appear to be a warning. The Roman Eagle has brought the church to its knees with barbarism, greed and immorality and the graves of the innocent have cried out for vengeance since the beginning of Emperor Theodosa's reign. One only need read the record of the Albigensian Crusade of the Cathars in Langudoc to understand the depth of the damage. A cleansing will occur. I am not wise enough to even predict the reason for Ratzinger's resignation or how it fits into the puzzle. This is the only part of your narrative I feel comfortable agreeing with. Yet, I will reread, filter for truth, and put your tale in a little golden box in my mind where it will rest with the hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of other stories I have heard. And I will ask God's blessing upon you for your courage to dare speak, knowing full well that voices of fear would rise against you.

Originally posted by HairlessApe

Getting a little more serious though... You believe something despite the fact that you have ZERO evidence... And despite the fact that there is OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary... And despite the fact that the information is AVAILABLE to you. You CHOOSE to ignore it because you don't want to be wrong. You are the very definition of ignorance.

Just going by the posts, it seems he believes in the existence of a deity - not all that different from Atheists, who merely DIS-believe in that existence - both are nothing more nor less than belief systems, since there is no repeatable supporting evidence either way. This means that "the contrary" to his belief would be Atheism, a belief in the other direction.

You state there is "OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary" - presumably meaning overwhelming evidence to support Atheism. Since you have made that bold statement, it's now up to YOU to support it, and bring that evidence. I'll wait right here for you to gather it up and box it up for presentation.

This should be a cinch for you, since your evidence room is overwhelmed with evidence.

Originally posted by BornOfSin
This is the last reply I am going to make to this thread.

The level of ignorance amongst you makes me honestly sad we are of the same species.

That was quite a rant. I was suitably impressed. This little opening part somewhat bothers me, however. We are accused of an apparently astounding "level of ignorance", yet it is not WE who are the ones communicating with the aliens du jour (it's "Annunaki" these days for those not following current alien morphology) riding in little orange balls by flashing Morse code out to them on our cell phones.

It's not WE who make the simultaneous claims in the SAME POST that "they have always been here" AND that "disbelievers will be in trouble when THEY ARRIVE".

But somehow it is WE who are "ignorant".

I think I'm just going to have to sit and digest that for a while.

By speaking to it, I established with a method for them to answer questions I posed by moving ‘left for yes, right for no’.

So you were speaking to a highly intelligent being, who has all this knowledge about religion being fake, and how the consciousness of everyone on Earth is going to come together and unite... But the glowing orange blob of all-knowing knowledge has to move right or left to tell you "yes or no"

HAHAHHAH

You never had a personal relationship with Jesus and
you are imagining and presuming all sorts of sheites

reply to post by rusty moon


Why not?

It's simple and leaves little room for miscommunication.
If BornOfSin formulates his questions succinctly, he can easily discern the reply.
Admittedly, if you are not able to comprehend the possibility of "alien intelligence" (whatever that may be) then I suppose this will be a laughable proposition.
However, if you are able to perceive of a superconscious interdimension which pervades all matter, space, time and what have you, which is AT ONCE supremely simple and supremely complex, then this method would almost certainly be the preferred method upon which to initiate contact.

We are talking about SUBLIME HYPERREALITY here. This is both tangible and intangible.
These beings are not exactly like yourself. They are ENERGY, capable of incomprehensible transformation.

Imagine if they just rocked up on a GIANT MOTHERSHIP.

We would all go completely senseless!

Which I suppose, given the level of idiocy we humans are capable of, is not necessarily in the realms of impossible

reply to post by rusty moon


We have the orange lights and a primitive binary movement code but then all of a sudden they learn't to use telepathy (and start telling him they wanted to eat him). Yes thats a problem for me.
Telepathy or directly transmitting thoughts would be a piece of cake,( even mothers and babies use wordless communication).
So my concern, which was repeated by others, who was sending this man information to him and for what purpose?
So that when these "already here"/ controlling entities are visible to us we we should worship them? I don't think so friend.

What great being said " man is instinct with faith".
Love and light.
Thanks for the funny posts.

Textreply to post by askyourself


Why not?
Because they allegedly were directly transmitting thoughts, if you read all the posts it is said that these entities were telling him they were going to eat him (and he said also we’re all judgemental then if we think they are evil!).He said human’s are evil…..Darwinism is the "advanced" alien belief system,pretty sure he said our enslavement is OK as its survival of the fittest .

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We are NOT talking about SUBLIME HYPERREALITY .

“These beings are not exactly like yourself” ( yes so are you saying you know them well as bornofsin does) ?
They are ENERGY, (you are energy).

Imagine if they were here as he said on a GIANT MOTHERSHIP.
Why would I want to imagine that.
LPL


*I am still concerned about you bornofsin and I am sending you Love and light

reply to post by frenzy4444


I am finding your proclamations of divinity, the bizarre nature of your writing, and the hubris laden claim that you are "Matthew" to be far more confusing than the well laid out and clear explanations by BornOfSin.

You are a delusional troll are you not?

Originally posted by rigel4
Genuine question...

What do all these powers,whether alien or Godly, want with
the Human Race? Why do they even care about us?

These are the angels that rebelled with satan. They have been cast out of heaven by Michael the arch angel. They are desperate refugees acting out as benevolent creators. They want out planet. They need a place to live. But God has already told what he plans for them. They are to be locked up for a thousand years and some thrown into the lake of fire.

reply to post by cantyousee


If they've been here for thousands of years, then why are they waiting until after we've destroyed it? Seems kind of counter-productive.

reply to post by BDBinc


If not SUBLIME HYPERREALITY then what kind, basic day to day, face to face watercooler chit chat?
I think not.

Yes, I feel I have experienced these beings or something remarkably similar and initial contact was very simple, ie move right for yes, left for no.
As stated in my initial post I have over several years been seeing orbs and other light beings/ entities in the night and day sky near the Grampians in Victoria. Some of these encounters did include telepathic communication.
I am very much a sceptic, and I do my best to test/ repeat/ clarify and consider all options in order to refute falsehoods. The "nature" of these beings makes definitive proof largely a redundancy. This is a "NEW" paradigm.

I too am concerned for BornOfSin, not because he is going to be eaten by these entities, but because of the propensity for masses of psyched up humans to collectively delude themselves and argue in ever increasing circles of infinitely decreasing truth, and in the process agressively tear each other apart.

BornOfSin if you return here please take note. This is a maelstrom you have entered, you will need every ounce of inner resolve and character. You sound strong, keep in touch with earthly reality and practice this:

The mind in the desire position is in the future
Seek the truth
Keeping the mind in the present.

Do this by a simple bedtime ritual of relaxing every part of your body you can remember by name and saying it to yourself, starting from your little toe (or the smallest capillary within) right up to your twitching scalp. It's simple, but it is grounding and it will help you rest.

Remember that you know everything within yourself. These beings need you to manifest. It's exciting, but it is also very exhausting.

Be careful. Strive to be happy.

Peace be with you.

Meh from what I have tried to dig up on the Archons, they've got us by the throats.
Jay Weidner on the Archons
Love and courage is all we need. Keep an open mind and never lose heart.
I'm a realist at heart but just in case. Knowledge is power.
SPRJCC

Originally posted by rusty moon

By speaking to it, I established with a method for them to answer questions I posed by moving ‘left for yes, right for no’.

So you were speaking to a highly intelligent being, who has all this knowledge about religion being fake, and how the consciousness of everyone on Earth is going to come together and unite... But the glowing orange blob of all-knowing knowledge has to move right or left to tell you "yes or no"

HAHAHHAH

Hey rusty, no matter if bornofsin is right or wrong doesn't matter re your post. He has explained your moot point in his answers. Have you heard of the saying "better to stay quiet and let people think you're stupid than comment on something and let them know you're stupid."

Hope you have enough brains to understand.

I couldn't bear to read through all 17 pages, so if this question was asked already, I apologize, but would still appreciate the clarification.

You quoted the Bible, I assume, on page one,..."You will come across a man with a vessel filled with water. Follow him." - Matthew 14:13

Quoting from the KJV,same text, I get "When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities."

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org...
Some other versions listed here and none of them are remotely the same as what you said.

So, what version of a Bible are you using?

Originally posted by BornOfSin
This is the last reply I am going to make to this thread.

The level of ignorance amongst you makes me honestly sad we are of the same species.

And there we have it. The usual way these kinda threads go.
Yeah, now you've gone and made me disappointed, you were doing so well there.

Get back to the Original topic BoS - "Vatican Prophecy, the End of Religion, and Shift to Universal Consciousness"
It's why we're all here listening isn't it?

C'mon cobber

I am sure that everyone, no matter appereance, provenance, ideology, religion or belief system, especially since this is ATS and I came here sensing that great minds are present, is capable of hypothetical thinking and would be able to find it within themselves to respectfully treat any subject of discussion as possible truth, regardless of whether or not it would mean that it would change ones' world view and perception of reality.
I invite all active members in this thread to join in on a brain storming session and before anything else, acknowledging that the information shared could be correct thus it would serve all of us well to first and foremost search for evidence supporting this claim before doing the opposite, which will be an option afterwards as it should.
We cannot get to the bottom of things if we are not digging. Whatever the truth turns out to be, any kind of research into the subject should be interesting for anyone suggesting that they have great intelligence, for then they would also understand that when realizing that one knows many things, one shouldn't quit learning new ones.