Vatican Prophecy, the End of Religion, and Shift to Universal Consciousness

reply to post by BornOfSin


That was my line of thought. If they really want to enslave us they could, so why would they try to deceive us? That's backwards thinking in my opinion.

reply to post by Angelic Resurrection


This is absolutely incorrect. I stated my history within the first paragraph of my original post.

I was born and raised within the Roman Catholic church, to an age where I was confirmed. I then started asking questions regarding the contradictions within the nature of 'God', as well as major flaws within the Biblical text.

The major issue that I originally found within the Bible and its teachings is that 'God' created us with intelligent, analytical and scientific minds, but then asks us to have 'faith' in the things we cannot understand even when they are contradicted by what we know to be true within the pursuits of our intelligent mind.

This makes no sense. Then there is Adam and Eve spawning all humanity. Then there is Cain taking wives, who could have only been his sisters (or mum) in the Genesis of a book which teaches incest is wrong.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there are so many holes within the Bible that to me; it resembles a sponge. As a sponge and the Bible are the only two things I can think of that will suck in so easily, whilst being so full of holes.

The rest progressed from there.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

That was my line of thought. If they really want to enslave us they could, so why would they try to deceive us? That's backwards thinking in my opinion.

The best slaves are the ones who think they are free...as in free will.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I agree, but that still doesn't explain why they would try to trick us when they could just as easily enslave us without the trickery.

Plus, I'm pretty sure religion has given billions the illusion of free-will already, so what purpose would it serve them to do it all over again? If they wanted to enslave us, wouldn't they just keep the deception going instead of changing things up and giving us information that truly sets us free?

What agenda could they be pushing by telling us that we are the light of life? How is that information evil in any way?

Originally posted by BornOfSin
reply to post by BDBinc

 

I will continue to seek all the information that is offered to me, although I may seek a different method for distributing such information.

edit on 3-3-2013 by BornOfSin because: (no reason given)

I have been following your thread since it started and is quite frankly pretty intrigued.

For some reason, I feel to apologize for the rude comments you have received, since you have said from the beginning why you are sharing this information.
I am one of those people that believe in having an open mind in all things I hear, and not being rude to the point of being disgusting. It seems that words nowadays is the "in thing", especially if you try to sound "overly" intelligent.

Back to what you were discussing. You mention that you are pretty open to information.

I have also been reading up on some information that "frenzy4444" has been trying to pass on, (with some digging of my own, of course ).

The first thing I have been reading about is "ashtar command, also known as solar star command. They sound a bit like hippies, without the '___'.

The second thing I read up was "adromeda council". They seem a bit more reliable, but I am still in "open mind" status.

If you can find in your "busy" mind (no pun intended) to read about this, please let me know what you think.

BTW, the two points that I was reading up about included youtube videos. (Make sure of the spelling, though)

reply to post by On the level


Perhaps a little more open minded than you remember? Aliens and UFO's have been on here since the begining and there still is no proof of them so what is your problem with exploring the esoteric? Afraid?

reply to post by BornOfSin


This is exactly how I have been thinking of what the Vatican, Catholics and all the other religions are and are based on. (English is not my native language and I apologize if I make some grammar mistakes!) I’ve been gathering information for many years and came almost to the same conclusion as you presented it here and I cannot be happier now to prove to myself I’m right! I’ve been trying to explain this to so many people which turn out to be the most hopeless thing to do in my entire life! People just do not want to break out of the prison their brain is living in and start thinking out of the box. They are told what to think/say, how to think/talk and so on and so on and they would not allow you to make them moving an inch away from the comfortable position they have. They just don’t want to know the truth and believe that they have been fuelled for so long otherwise they have to admit to themselves that they are pretty stupid not to see it for themselves. (I hope you’ll understand what I’d like to say as it is difficult to me to express exactly what I’d like to say in English! I wish I knew it little bit better!)
Anyway, now that I read the knowledge you are providing to us I’m hungry for even more! I cannot wait to see your next thread you promised to write! I also was wondering if you could “share” your contactors with me somehow! I really would like to get in direct connection with them as I feel so alone here not being able to communicate with humans on these very important topics. I’ve witnessed several UFOs myself and somehow I think these events made my mind break out free from the canons and what’s accepted to be the norm! Would you communicate that with them and let me know if this is possible and if it is not too much to ask? I hope you wouldn’t mind sharing them with me! I’ve been dreaming of getting a contact with them and get involved and not just being a witness to UFOs. I really hope this would be possible! Looking forward to your reply

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by karen61560

 

Thanks Karen I just don't know why the part about eating him was not in the first thread , to withold that he got negative thoughts from these beings was not honest. I didn't mean to bite him.
If you can answer anymore of them I would appreciate it, as it makes no sense to say in a race of superior beings slavery and old darwinism is touted. This is the info we've all been feed from the controllers.
I just really wanted answers,sorry I didn't mean to be aggressive.
Love, light and peace

Yes, I thought that omitting that was a little dubious on his part. I speaks of maleviolent spirits not benefactors. There were some other points that were off or down right wrong too and when spirits pass on lies no matter how trivial it says the same thing. I have no experience with spirits of any sort so I don't know if they even exist. I have a small understanding of quantum physics, enough to make me go wahfuh, that is crazy and there is certainly enough strangness that does exist without going out and making stuff up. I do explore this though because you never know. I wont say nay or yay, I say give me more information and let me find this out for myself.

reply to post by 1Agnostic1


1) I don't ask you to have faith in what I am saying. I never even asked you, or anyone to believe me, let alone 'have faith' in me. This claim is 100% incorrect and a distortion of my words used to build a weak argument of semantics.

I presented information in a way that presents an argument based on the possibility that information provided may very well be correct. This was due to the extreme nature of my experiences and the highly advanced methods by which this information was provided to me.

You take my use of the word 'believe' to mean 'have faith'? You need to buy yourself a dictionary. Belief is opinion based a satisfactory degree of proof. Faith is complete trust, for which I do not have in anything.


2) I do not propose anything even vaguely resembling a 'replacement religion' as you (again) falsely stated, although this time it was due to misinterpretation of the information given to you. Although I believe a dictionary would once again be useful in helping you understand in future.

'Paradigm' is a way of thinking. It does not require subscription to a belief system. It does not require worship, fealty, discipline, or 'faith'. It does not have a deity. It only requires perspective. Therefore there are absolutely no key elements of religion. It is a way of enabling connections within the tangible universe that are already inside all of us. There is no special requirements or conditions attached to finding such either. I am not proposing a replacement for 'God', as within a universal attachment there is no need for God. It transcends the requirements of mortal attachments such as spiritual belief systems for the fact it IS spirituality.

I've quite simply told people that it is there. It can be accessed, how, why and if they do so, is their own journey. They can even try it with God if they really want to. If they find it, they will realise that they no longer 'need' God, as they have found an attachment to the 'nature' behind God.

Quantum Physics, or the concept of entanglement, are NOT emerging fields. They are a century old.
Quantum Mechanics was created by a small group of men and is ANTI-scientific by nature.

Quantum entanglement (like the non-locality and uncertainty principles and many others) is a lie and, contrary to what you claim, has not been proven to be a fact. (By the way, there were OBVIOUSLY no experiment on 2 particles on each side of the universe.)

3) Once again. Your arguments are being formed around your increasingly obvious need for a dictionary. "Emerging" means 'becoming apparent, important or prominent', there is no prerequisite within the definition relating to time periods. It could have been around for 10,000 years, it does not matter. The fact is that it is now coming in to prominences and therefore it is 'emerging'.

Also I suggest you better go and tell the scientists that have transported photonic qubits over 60 miles that entanglement is a lie, so they can quickly go on start working on other theories as to how they did the instantaneous transmission using science based on a lie. Was that transmission of data determined at the time of split? Also you may want to tell all the Universities developing Quantum computers to scrap their working projects. Considering it's all a lie.

You are the actual reason I decided this morning that I wasn't going to respond on this thread any more. What annoys me more than anything in this world is people who drastically overestimate their own intelligence; adopting a conceited and patronising tone, trying to make make someone else look like they don't know what they are talking about.

Go and do more research, and please do not post in this thread again until you have at least purchased a dictionary.

Originally posted by alienDNA

Originally posted by rigel4
reply to post by alienDNA

 

There's no need for comments like that...
Could you author a thread like this?

edit on 2-3-2013 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

so.. what are you saying ? That schizophrenics dont have the ability to write lucidly?
On the contrary. Many schizophrenics have the ability to both speak and write in fully understandable and very often intriguing language.

it is very easy to understand, when you have a bit of knowledge about the disease; that this person is indeed sick.
It is not something I say to flame.
(regarding my own english, Its not my native tounge)

Just because you have never had this experience does not necessarily mean that it is coming from some sickness. Do you write off any psychic experiences as mental illness too? Because it has been proven again and again that there are some for whom non local communication is possible. That some people can bend spoons, and some people do get a glimps of the future from time to time. Just because you cant doesnt mean that others cant. I cannot play the violin but others can. And before you say that I can learn I can also learn how to use these other supressed abilities if I choose to. There are excersises that will help and there are countless studies that prove these abilities are real. Dont be so quick to judge.

reply to post by nenothtu


The first organized Christians were the Catholics. Everybody else broke off from there starting with the Angelicans in England. On the other hand, the Jewish faith is the only one that still holds true to the idea of just one God while Catholiscism is all about polytheism with all those saints and the Holy Mother Mary and how many other holy "people". I was raised a Catholic but they asked me to leave because I asked too many questions. LOL.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ArtisticOne
The lack of historical, biblical knowledge in this thread is amazing and troubling.

Indeed, it is.

If you are calling yourself a christian
I would hope you actually go and read the Bible.

One thing the Bible does talk about extensively and is pretty complete about is the anti christ is ONE MAN.

Read the Book of Revelation of John and you might have a greater understanding.

Yes, one would think that reading, actually READING, the bible would be a good thing for a claimed Christian to do from time to time. For example, THIS little gem from 1 John 2:18:

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

What does "many" mean where you come from? Is there some mechanism to make "many" mean "just one man"?

Yes.
When the evil one said "We are legion"

reply to post by karen61560

Because it has been proven again and again that there are some for whom non local communication is possible. That some people can bend spoons, and some people do get a glimps of the future from time to time. Just because you cant doesnt mean that others cant.

By "proven," do you mean to say "able to perform parlour tricks"? Yes, there are many illusionists, but unfortunately, many of them pass of their skills as real abilities, and many believe them.

Where is it proven that others can bend spoons (Yuri Gellar?), or see glimpses of the future?

reply to post by nenothtu


Sounds rather like a petulant child if you ask me. Wouldn't a creator be more careful with his things? Especially those things he wants to love him? I want my kitten to love me so I am careful not to pick her up by her tail or hit her or hurt her in any way. I control her behavior by redirecting her attention to the things I want her playing with not by striking her down. I guess that makes me kinder than the god you believe in. Good for me.

Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by nenothtu

 

The first organized Christians were the Catholics.

I do believe the first 'organized' Christians were supposedly Jesus and his disciples, not a Roman entity? Remembering that it was the Romans that killed him and the Jewish priests considered him a blasphemer (and therefore by religious custom, not an adherent Jew).. so essentially, his new role (outside of Judaism) would be Christian. And as he led/taught his disciples.. well, that sounds like a small-but-organized Church to me.

Noting that the above reference does NOT include any followers from various communities.. yep.

Last but not least - and no offense is intended to any Christian ATS'ers - wasn't the RCC almost, from the start, a failed project because it immediately began putting a human-spin on religious ideals?

reply to post by LesMisanthrope

By "proven," do you mean to say "able to perform parlour tricks"? Yes, there are many illusionists, but unfortunately, many of them pass of their skills as real abilities, and many believe them.

Where is it proven that others can bend spoons (Yuri Gellar?), or see glimpses of the future?

Surely someone of your self-professed education would have a more discerning response than that? Perhaps you should read Lyall Watson's Supernature. Certainly, you appear to have missed a few studies if your conclusion is so dismissive. Nothing is so very absolute as to declare that most instances of extranatural phenomenon are probably illegitimate.

reply to post by Redfreak

Hmmm.....I wonder if maybe bornofsin could possibly be a victim
of HAARPs 'mind control' or 'thought implants'?

That is always a possibility, sure. There is a HAARP base around 4 hours from here and the Military are in high concentrations here.

But, I was having this contact 'prior' to the keen interest of the Military in that exact area.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Surely someone of your self-professed education would have a more discerning response than that? Perhaps you should read Lyall Watson's Supernature. Certainly, you appear to have missed a few studies if your conclusion is so dismissive. Nothing is so very absolute as to declare that most instances of extranatural phenomenon are probably illegitimate.

If your proof amounts to some ad hominem and an obscure book, I rest my case. Quite typical. Passing off a falsity as if it was a truth is the going rate in threads like these.

reply to post by pistolerooo


Once upon a time:

It was a fantasy that man could fly like a bird.

It was fiction that we would go to the moon.

It was laughed at when we said we would explore Mars.

It was impossible that we would ever have anything man made leave our solar system.

How does that go again, If even one in a million of the billions of stars in just our galaxy alone are capable of sustaining life there would be over 100 million planets with life on them.

reply to post by ThePhysicalExperience


Wait wait, Not to step on your post but if my GPS says turn right and to my right is the river and to the left is the driveway to my destination I would say that is bad information. No putting any other spin on it. If I listen to the bad info my car is sunk.