Breaking - Artificial Earthquake Detected in North Korea

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
I would like to know by what other means you think NK may be producing Plutonium (genuine question..not being sarcastic)

Fast breeders have way too high a neutron flux. You get a lot of unwanted plutonium isotopes that way. The product is FINE for a MOX reactor. Doesn't cause any issues at all. But for a weapon, it's exactly what you don't want.

You can, however, produce plutonium in any reactor. And that's what they did at Yongbyon. If you run that thing long enough, your fuel rods can be chopped, dissolved, and the plutonium extracted. A problem is, you still get more crap in there than you'd like. The way we do it is to put pure U238 rods with no enrichment into a specialty reactor that has locations with nice, even, predictable neutron flux. And you don't leave them in there for long - it's the time and flux that cause the bad isotopes to pile up. They always do, really, but you can minimize it.

When NK unloaded Yongbyon, they stored it for a while, but then they built an extraction plant on site, trucked it up there, and ran it. We have a lot of sat imaging data that shows the whole thing - they can give you a head count on the truckloads.

Also NK has had centrifuges since 2008 if not before ... remember A Q Khan ?

Khan's Pakistani, not North Korean, but at one time, yeah baby, they had a really nice centrifuge setup. That got whacked. They had put the separation facility, their weapons design facility, all their eggheads and their missile maggots all in one installation, and bang, all gone.

They started rebuilding that back in 2009. But they didn't have much for the first two weapons.

For a low-yield weapon in the kilo-tonne range that can be carried aboard a missile Uranium is the obvious choice for NK.

I agree, it's just not what they did. The Khan designs are for uranium.

If I were at the house instead of off on the west coast, I could find some of this stuff more easily for you, there's this really nice declassified report on the entire deal, sort of dry but informative, IIRC it was prepared for the NSC.

Originally posted by Zerschmetterling

BREAKING: North Korean Foreign Ministry warns of unspecified 'second and third measures' after nuke test

interesting day so far

Like I said upthread, the sat imaging showed two obvious test setups. That was one. To quote Yoda - "there is another"

And they're whack enough to just crack one off on the surface, too. I'd actually expect that if they got it right the fourth time.

reply to post by Bedlam


Again lil Kim has this sh** coming. Defy us one more time and see what happens....

I'm not normally the war toting MFer but I grew up in a hood where the rule was "Talk sh** get hit" ....Only a matter of time...Sorry to say...

-SAP-

reply to post by Bedlam


Thank-you for the prompt and informative reply.

Yeah I know Khan is Pakistani...but there is a voice at the back of my head telling me Khan approached the NK back in the day... i may be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure.

Also I think NK have realized Plutonium is just an RnD project for them at the moment, Uranium is the way to go if they want a sizable Arsenal of nukes.

Interesting to see Iran/China/Russia/UK/USA and Japan all condemning the test......China are super unhappy...they don't get along with NK as friendly as most people assume (I think you may know this) ... it could be China that makes a move on NK...backed by everyone else...would certainly improve China's status as a responsible Superpower....interesting times....

C...

reply to post by Cosmic4life


I'd be pissed at N. Korea too if I was China...

People need to understand...Kim Jong Un is a wuss... He has no backbone...Just like his father...

Hipocrits. "I do don't drink" yet Kim ill orders Henessy from the U.S.

My point is that they won't get anywhere unless they pick a side...

-SAP-

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Thank-you for the prompt and informative reply.

Yeah I know Khan is Pakistani...but there is a voice at the back of my head telling me Khan approached the NK back in the day... i may be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure.
C...

I've heard they purchased the designs, it's just that they didn't have the materials for it.

It's 430 here, I should be on shift on the 'customer equipment' but we got sent home when this cranked off, so I'm going to catch some surprise shut-eye. I'll look for the report tomorrow, there are some nifty bits in there.

Why do people who live in nuclear armed countries who are regularly involved in wars and military actions around the world want to protest a country testing a nuclear weapon?

Hypocrisy much?

well the US won't end their 'hostilities', to the contrary and after the UN Security Council Meeting later and the speech of President Obama they will have their reason to conduct their more severe 2nd and 3rd countermeasures. We shall see

reply to post by neformore


Amen to that. Ahmadinejad said it best (about nuclear power). To paraphrase it went something like "if it's a good thing why must we be deprived of it? and if it's such a bad thing why do you have it too?" Calling it like it is.

Originally posted by neformore
Why do people who live in nuclear armed countries who are regularly involved in wars and military actions around the world want to protest a country testing a nuclear weapon?

Hypocrisy much?

Well, you don't see France or Great Britain talking about how they're going to get respect from the capitalist running dogs with their nukes.

Some countries seem a bit more...unstable than others. Even Pakistan and India are not quite as nuts, IMHO, it's likely they'd go after each other first.

reply to post by neformore


So N. Korea has the right to test a WMD?

-SAP-

reply to post by Bedlam


You also don't see France or Britain with massive hunger problems. Granted it's all the government's fault in North Korea...They have nothing to lose and everything to gain so of course they're going to have a tough posture when their people are starving. No matter, the world is a stage and we're merely just in for a show.

reply to post by concernedcitizen519


I dunno - what's their plan, do you think? "Give us free food or we nuke you"? I don't see that working for them in the long run.

reply to post by SloAnPainful


Yep.

As did the USA, USSR, Britain, France, China, India, Israel, South Africa and Pakistan.

Or conversely, explain to me why those countries were justified, but NK isn't?

reply to post by neformore


Fact of the matter it's wrong...

What if London was attacked by N. Korea who would come? Right, America....

ETA: Let me say I think GB is great and I have nothing against them, but who would help you?? America would be right behind you. I'm not saying GB couldn't handle their own...But the RWB would behind you guys...

-SAP-

reply to post by Bedlam


I don't see it working either but it's all a matter of getting the world's eyes on North Korea and they're doing something right when it comes to that aspect, although certainly in a negative way. I think lil' Kim sees this as a victory and his only option when it comes to be taken serious so he's going to hold on to that with a hot-white grip.

There are theorists who claim that these 'tests' caused earthquakes in Chile and NZ.. That they are propagated to vibrate to other (targets) places on Earth...

Originally posted by R_Clark
There are theorists who claim that these 'tests' caused earthquakes in Chile and NZ.. That they are propagated to vibrate to other (targets) places on Earth...

Highly doubtful.

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by SloAnPainful

 

Yep.

As did the USA, USSR, Britain, France, China, India, Israel, South Africa and Pakistan.

Or conversely, explain to me why those countries were justified, but NK isn't?

Okay Nef I'll humor you.

USA: Used a nuke to ensure victory.

USSR: Tested a nuke to show that they had a nuclear weapon

Britain: Got the nukes from USA.

France: ----- Have no knowledge of their nuclear program.

India: Protection

Isreal: Protection

S. Africa: Protection, of course a British colony, they have no fears

Pakistan: They have them because AMERICANS PAID FOR THEM, also they are afraid of India.

That enough for 'ya Nef?

-SAP-