Breaking - Artificial Earthquake Detected in North Korea

reply to post by Dustytoad


Although with a big cavity like that, you can simulate a nuke by filling the thing with a flammable gas and O2 and making a big FOE.

It's sort of the subject of that ARCO patent everyone likes to attribute to HAARP.

reply to post by Dustytoad


So about 6000 tons?

Would that be possible?

There has been gaps of several years between "tests", although most likely the time needed to produced enough enriched material and create "the bomb", could they have stockpiled that much conventional explosives in that time?

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Dustytoad

 

So about 6000 tons?

Would that be possible?

There has been gaps of several years between "tests", although most likely the time needed to produced enough enriched material and create "the bomb", could they have stockpiled that much conventional explosives in that time?

Sure why not.. I think we would notice that though.. Seems like if they were doing that they would have made this last explosion much bigger.. I don't believe them saying they have it all working, but I do believe they are trying to get it to work.

Wondering if we will find any radiation..

@Bedlam.. Didn't even consider that one.. hmm.

reply to post by Dustytoad


Just been reading up on how much conventional explosives would be needed, and it turns out that only 43 tons would be needed for a 4.3, and 480 tons for a 5.

Although I think that is based on an above ground explosion, from what I can gather from the information, not much more would be needed for similar results underground.

Source

I could be way off here, as I haven't got a clue and I am relying on Google power for info.

EDIT: 5MT at Amchitka underground test caused a 7.0

The 2006 NK test caused a 4.2 which corresponded to 800 tons

So even if it was a nuke, it must have been fairly small.

reply to post by spark9576


Looks like you might be right.
N Korea nuclear test puts neighbours on notice

Originally posted by spark9576
I guess my question is, how do they know if it's an artificial earthquake?

somebody may of beaten me to it but maybe theres no after shocks!

reply to post by spark9576


Ill bet that the us and the uk and all the others with their arm up in the air

all still have nukes so why not north korea , they need to be able to defend themselves

from attacks from other countries, you know nukes are a good DETERRENT after all

No EQ, Kim Jong Un just tripped..

He's a big boy you know....

Sorry on topic. They might be ready themselves for war...All I know is S. Korea vs. N. Korea...SK better prep 'cause NK will eff them up. My two cents...

-SAP-

Originally posted by Dustytoad
@Bedlam.. Didn't even consider that one.. hmm.

It was the intent of the patent, IIRC.

Hang on, let me see if I can find it...found it...Nuclear sized explosions without radiation

reply to post by maryhinge


Mary, in the case of a country like Iran, I would agree with you, however, this is North Korea we are talking about.

I can honestly see them using one for more than just defence, although that is how they may see it.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Dustytoad

 

Just been reading up on how much conventional explosives would be needed, and it turns out that only 43 tons would be needed for a 4.3, and 480 tons for a 5.

Although I think that is based on an above ground explosion, from what I can gather from the information, not much more would be needed for similar results underground.

Source

Those numbers are way wrong.. My numbers are correct and we are looking at a 5.1 not a 4.2..

It was about a 7 kiloton blast..

North Korea says it conducted new, more powerful nuclear test

Seismic activity

Indications that the test had taken place first emerged when U.S. seismologists reported a disturbance on Tuesday morning in North Korea centered near the site of the secretive regime's two previous atomic blasts.

The area around the epicenter of the tremor in northeastern North Korea has little or no history of earthquakes or natural seismic hazards, according to U.S. Geological Survey maps.

The disturbance reported Tuesday had a magnitude of 5.1 -- upgraded from an initial estimate of 4.9 -- took place at a depth of about 1 kilometer, the USGS said.


Kim Min-seok, a spokesman for the South Korean defense ministry, said the magnitude of the "artificial tremor" suggested the size of the blast could be in the order of 6 to 7 kilotons, more powerful than the North's two prior nuclear tests.

That calculation, though, was based on the USGS's initial estimate of a 4.9-magnitude seismic disturbance, he said. A 5.1-magnitude tremor could indicate a 10 kiloton explosion.

Maybe it was a 10 kiloton blast.. That would definitely change my opinion on how well the test went.. Hmm.

reply to post by Dustytoad


I do apologise, the number I seen earlier for this blast was 4.8.

reply to post by woogleuk


Thing is it wont matter...Kim will blame it on SK and America...Always our fault...

*shakes head*

-SAP-

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Actually you are wrong.

NK has very small amounts of Plutonium and lots of Uranium.

The Fast breeder Reactor at Yongbyon has not yet been completed.....Uranium however is much more abundant and a lot easier for NK to enrich to weapons grade in secret.

And lastly of course NK does have Uranium deposits that it is actively mining.

No, I'm really not. You don't need (nor want) a fast breeder design to make plutonium for weapons use.

They extracted the plutonium that was in the fuel load at Yongbyon research reactor, and got enough for six to seven weapons some years back.

They didn't start their uranium separation work until about 2009, and it's not fully operational.

I would like to know by what other means you think NK may be producing Plutonium (genuine question..not being sarcastic)

Also NK has had centrifuges since 2008 if not before ... remember A Q Khan ?

For a low-yield weapon in the kilo-tonne range that can be carried aboard a missile Uranium is the obvious choice for NK.

Six to seven Plutonium devices is no where near enough....whereas with Uranium several hundred devices become possible.

I have no doubt NK can produce a mass-equivalent device ... designs have been around since WW2 and who's to say it will be U235 .. they might be really nuts and choose U233.

C...

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Dustytoad

 

I do apologise, the number I seen earlier for this blast was 4.8.

right but that source was terrible.. Every other source I have found says that one was way low balled in terms of explosive power needed. But it's all good

noones posted the Home Front trailer yet?

Interesting find here: North Korea nuclear test: live

09.04 Even Iran has now disapproved of North Korea's nuclear test - remarkable considering its own alleged ambitions in that area.

Kim has a pair I'll give him that...

Sad thing is we'll blow his country back to the stone age...

-SAP-

reply to post by spark9576


It is and was a NUKE test!!

Now we have to hope they dont continue to upgrade their Missile range or we could be facing something none of us really want.

BREAKING: North Korean Foreign Ministry warns of unspecified 'second and third measures' after nuke test

interesting day so far