Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshiping evil.

reply to post by Unity_99


I don't believe in eternal hell either, I'm only approaching the subject from the point of view of a Christian in order to get my point across. I believe hell is what we make Earth. We have desired profit over love, which is why we're here today.

Jesus did teach reincarnation, and the earliest "Christians" (those who traveled with Jesus) also believed in reincarnation, except Paul came in and wiped that doctrine away.

reply to post by Logarock


So you're comparing war criminals who committed atrocities against mankind to babies who did nothing wrong? Or are you forgetting that god also killed babies?

reply to post by xstealth


From my understanding, the millenium reign is only open to those who already believe in Jesus. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

reply to post by TheConstruKctionofLight


I actually don't mind the descriptions in front of faith. Blind faith is fine with me I could be deaf, dumb, blind, mute and invalid and if God wants to open my spiritual eyes and heart to Him, He will, provided I'm willing.

As I see it, Yahweh, the god of the bible, is in fact none other than the Great Deceiver himself, Satan. A far cry from the loving and compassionate god that his deceived followers claim he is, the bible pretty much says he is an ego-maniacal god of war and tyranny who if not obeyed, claims he will send you into eternal torture. He rules via fear and intimidation as tyrants do. He requires death for the smallest of infractions, and even demands the murder of entire cities/nations for arbitrary reasons.

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


So does GOD curse Himself in the garden of Eden? In the book of Job, does He appear before Himself and challenge Himself for putting His own blessing and protection around Job? Hmm....that's some pretty spurrious comments made there from someone, 'As you see it'.
'The bible pretty much says he is an ego maniacal god of war and tyranny...' Okay, I'll start there.
The bible says He is egomaniacal? Nope.
You have just chosen to impose your own understanding and interpretation of a set of actions as best as your own reasoning and judgement can to an entity I believe you don't know.

When you start putting anthropomorphic assumptions on what you don't know, you are putting GOD in your own image. When man attempts to judge, quantify and sum up perfection through his own imperfect reasoning, it is apparrent that the interpretation will reflect the interpretee. It's nobody's fault but your own that you can't reach any other conclusion. Imperfection cannot make a perfect judgement of perfection.

If I stand at the edge of a cliff with a sign that says 'You will die if you walk off this cliff', can you REALLY hold me personally responsible for your decision to walk off it and say I've condemned you?
You get choice, and you blame someone else for the choices you make. You get no choice, you blame someone for making you a slave.
If I tell you a certain path will lead to death, it's your choice to take it and disbelieve me. You want to smoke and drink all your life, don't blame me if you get cancer and tell me I'm the one condemning you. BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS YOU WILL BE JUDGED.

With regards to the 'if not obeyed, claims he will send you into eternal torture.' This is a CHOICE thing again.
"IF you want to be my people, and IF you want me to be your God, this is how you meet my holy requirements".
If you are not in a covenant relationship with said God, you are neither under law or grace, because you do not have that standing with Him (either law or grace) and therefore these don't apply to you. Something else will.
But if you don't like those rules, don't come under the authority of that God. IT'S YOUR CHOICE!!!!! How are you not getting this?

As for the assumption that GOD demands murder/death/infractions (or whatever,) for 'ARBITRARY' reasons, then you are clearly claiming to know the mind of GOD. Either that, or it doesn't make sense to your imperfect mind, offends it, and therefore MUST BE WRONG BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
Assuming you are talking about the eradication of the former inhabitants and land dwellers within Canaan.
The Israelites were slaves in Egypt for 480 years before they came into 'The Promised Land'.
I have no idea what happened in Canaan during that time, what acts they might or might not have committed, the depths of depravity they may have reached, the warnings, prophets or messengers from GOD they may have received....who knows? I don't.
How many of us REALLY know what's going on in Syria, Mali, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, USA, UK, etc?
What we're told is what we think we know. Do you trust that what you are told is enough to make an informed opinion and judgement on it? What if you have no information at all? How can you therefore make a judgement? You can't.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and the media know how to spin ANY thing ANY way that's required to make you ANY judgement they require from you.


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Originally posted by Lucius Driftwood

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Well, thats all your opinion and your own personal interpretation of it all, as my post is my interpretation of it.

I already posted I wasnt going to get into heated debates about whose opinion is right and whose isnt.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


The millennium reign must have people who hate Jesus in it per Revelations 20 verse 8 .

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Well I was a Catholic who argued with them about that, and even met with the priest to discuss the Church's stance and if he said I had to believe in that to receive communion, which to me is being taken in a huge hug by God not cannabilism. And he said No I Didn't. I would have refused to participate if he said I did.

I'm also quite disappointed that this has as many flags as it does, because its actually wrong about what people are believing, and what people believe is the religion, not the evil guy behind curtain trying to code things.

Originally posted by papazen
reply to post by CaticusMaximus

 

Thank you so much for your knowledge and enlightenment. Its good that you know exactly what is really going on. I will now change my beliefs and stop seeing Jesus the way I saw him and worshiping him as you pleaded in your thread. Wow so many sheeple fooled ! But not you..

My thoughts exactly!!
If you believe in an all-powerful entity (as the OP does or he wouldn't have mentioned the existence of Satan) just HOW or WHERE does the "real" God let his followers what his plan is?
When I read this OP, I decided that some ATS members are just posting anything that comes to their minds!
Why does anyone on here Flag or Star this ridiculous 'theory'?

reply to post by CaticusMaximus

As I see it

An opinion, that is just that.

And the account in Job chapter 1 of the conversation directly between the two beings you talk of ?
I suppose this is of no consequence to your opinion.

Also, On this suject, worth a mention the devil/evil came up with a great idea, of the word death, and that it is suposed to be, the end, your dead, gone, are no more! Another Lie, why, to scare and Terrify us into believing there is no point in anything, live for today screw tomorrow, grab what you can while you can. Just what evil wants, money, and power, this is the real illusion. Love, learning, and knowledge are our true purpose for being here, to grow and ascend to the next level of perfection.
Death does NOT exist! Our flesh came from this world, and returns to it, our spirit is from the creator, and returns to it!

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


I think is what you want to say.............

(Warning) watch out for some spicy language (Warning)

evil = false authority

If the God of the Bible is the true authority (as 'true believers' assume)
then any other claim to authority is both false and evil (because it would
usurp the worship and fear/respect due only the one true God). This list
of people who are evil would include those preachers and priest who place
themselves between the individual and their God. From this perspective
would not the greatest evil be found in the church rather than the world?

...but what if this God of the Bible is a false authority, as the the title of
this OP suggested? What then? ...then the only true authority is one's
very own self... and we could only define evil as that which would
attempt to overthrown self-autonomy and individual liberty. This
place 100% responsibility on the individual and therefore many
people, not yet fully mature, like to blame problems on the devil.

As I see it, this life is a journey from blind faith (like magical thinking
in gods) and/or one Supreme Being.. on down the path of spiritual growth
and maturity, which leads to the second view: that the Satan and God
of our myths both dell inside.. and it is up to each one of us to master
these creative and destructive forces within.

STAGE ONE: Thriving on Chaos without Believe, Faith, or Reason
to guild you or protect you from the hostile world or even those impulses
which lead toward self-destruction.

STAGE TWO: Believe that God is the Supreme Authority and make the
courageous choice to worship, honor, respect, and obey no other. Often
these people think what works for them should work for everyone, so
they tend to be evangelical (are in the habit of pushing their religion).

STAGE THREE: Become a skeptic who drop beliefs in any deity. Such a
person is focused on being responsible as an individual and has a highly
developed sense of ethics and moral principles based on reason and
plain old common sense. These are the atheist and agnostics.

STAGE FOUR: The Mystic who knows God within, a self-realized person
who honors, worships, respects, and obeys the authority of the Divine-Self.
They know there are many paths to God (or no god) which bring one into
the full awareness and therefore they don't try to push any belief system.

There is a simple break down the four sage of spiritual growth:
#1 - Chaos - unaware, driven by ego and emotional impulses
#2 - Belief - seek rewards (heaven) and avoid punishment (hell)
#3 - Reason - placing faith in the scientific method and little else
#4 - Faith - no longer seeking validation, just being in harmony with what is

evil = false authority

...both those who submit to evil and those perpetrate it become the victims of this destructive force (losing their own true self). Rather then worry or debate the four stages listed above (and who may be where, etc) we ought to be on careful guard against the influence of false authorities. The rest of life will sort itself out.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by wasaka

 

This is proof enough that satan is not in any way against God- they work together.

Even though Satan may ultimately be completing God's will, God wouldn't force Satan to do it if it interfered with his own free will. God wouldn't cast Satan into the lake of fire just for carrying out God's will alone.

Revelation 20

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

First, the Book of Job is the oldest (first written) and the Book of Revelation is the newest (last book to be written) in the entire Bible. The idea of Satan in the time period of Job, the idea of Satan in the 1st century church, and the idea you or I may have today are three very different things. If you want and example of how ideas within the Bible have changed over time we need look no further than the gospels themselves. The gospel of Mark (1st written) ends with no Resurrection, just an empty grave. Obviously, this was unsatisfying to many so along comes Matthew and BANG we have details... details that were not there before. In the same way the meme of Satan has grown and changed over time, likewise the story of Christ and God Himself.

Second, those who want the book of Revelation to be about things that have not been fulfilled yet (future events) are ignoring the very clear time markers. There are two time markers in the preface to the book of Revelation. The first is found in verse 1, “To show his servants the things that must soon take place.” The second time marker is in verse 3, “For the time is near.” Carefully read those time markers. Verse 1 says that the revelation concerns things that must soon take place. What is soon to you? The time is near for the events that are contained in the revelation and that is why those who read, hear, and keep the words are blessed. The point cannot be ignored. The author said, the things in the book are happening soon.... meaning in the life time of the original readers...which means they did happen (or least can't be expect to happen 2000 years later). It is a mistake to suppose that John was predicting events that would take place in the later centuries of Christian history. Writing to the people of his own day about events that would happen while they were still living, he states that Christ will return while those who put him to death on the cross are still living. So whatever the Beast and False Prophet might have been, we have no reason to expect them in our near future.

Thirdly, the message of Revelation was intended for this particular time and set of circumstances, and it would be a mistake to establish an entire doctrine or dogma based on the symbolic language used in this book. Consider the climate of that period and why the symbols language was employed. As the opposition to Christianity became more intense, the followers of the new movement were asked to prove their loyalty to the Roman government by denouncing Christ and by worshiping the statue of the emperor. When they refused to do this, they were tortured and even put to death. It was under these conditions, the Revelation of John was written. John used symbolism in the same way we might encrypt an email today--to prevent the 'Homeland Security' from reading it or understanding it. However, those who read the book had a method of decrypting the symbolic text.

Lastly, consider the intended purpose of this book. It would be difficult to imagine anything more appropriate for the members of Christian churches at that time than to be told Satan would be cast into the lake of fire. They needed encouragement and the assurance that their trials would soon be over, that the evil powers of the earth would be destroyed, and that the triumph of righteousness would be established in the world. Christians familiar with the older apocalyptic writings (like Daniel) would understand the book's symbolism, for practically everything John said to his contemporaries was said before to people who suffered under similar circumstances. The permanent significance of Revelation lies in the author's conviction that right will ultimately triumph over evil and that in my view is what the reference to Satan bound for 1000 years was all about.

In reality, the devil lives inside of us all, and it is our responsibility to cast him out.

Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima
reply to post by Elbereth11

 

Please stop doing drugs.

I say this as your friend.

You're going to have a big crash and burn pretty soon.

dont tell me what to do,you're not my friend nor do you grasp the concept of what i am talking about.You didnt experience anything special because you are a boring person probably and have no knowlidge of anything really.I on the other hand have experienced telepathy,remote viewing,seen the grays on the moon trough my third eye and laughed my ass off on many ocasions with friends.John marco allegro studied this for 20 years and he knows arameic language,and you dont ,so if u did mushrooms and didnt see anything and think its just nothing then like i said you are not intuned with anything really,u are one of those people who need a diety in order for their life to function normaly...there arfe so many like minded people and im not the only one in this,i've done mushrooms like 10 times in my life and not every time did i had a great trip,just like life,ur not gona have a good day every day,that doesnt mean u should stop living and trying.A sinner is someone who missed his mark in life,but when intaking jesuses blood and flesh u get free of sins and your eyes can see,thats all there is to it.No farytales all just good mushroom strategy by the lords who hold the holy grail

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OH HOW THE HEATHEN DO RAGE !

You have only proved your lack of wisdom . Wisdom can not be learned in college, it can't be taught especially to a rebellious seed . I wander if those people have ever looked as critically at themselves as they do at the bible and those whom believe . I think not !

reply to post by CaticusMaximus


Not me since I don't worship Yahweh.
NOR ALLAH or ANY OF THAT!
LOL.

and another thing

pay attention

a seedless insimination in to Maria(mother earth)

spores have no seeds.

end of story

good night
who gets it gets it,who doesnt will live his life in his own sin till the day he dies

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by CaticusMaximus

 

Not me since I don't worship Yahweh.

NOR ALLAH or ANY OF THAT!
LOL.

islam was introduced to arabia by the same poeple who spread christianity and judeism,the jesuits tought mohamed and they needed something to unite the waring tribes of arbaia,so there,give em islam and tell them that god will kill them if they dont follow it,and whoever follows anything else must be killed...U really think that islam is a seperate entity from the other hijacked religions? no ,the same people are behind it all.If people would only wake up...if i only had a fleet of cropduster planes