Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress

I wish them luck.
as for law?
dont towns elect a Marshal?

Originally posted by trusername
Cool - I hope they build pretty chateaux. In 2413, they'll look back at this year and say, ah and here we have the birth where the full circle of history repeats itself and the renaissance of fairy tales with little kingdoms spread over the countrysides…

Actually
One of the coolest threads I read..total sci-fi bunk,but still excellent, was about just that.
Future person writes through some sort of quantum gateway to the internet of the past and discusses, on 4chan, what life is like overall.

In the -story- (ats..it is meant to be real..but ya..come on), he describes how basically cities are no longer big sprawling structures but rather self contained hubs..some focused on science, some focused on government, art, etc etc etc. all of them being like a sort of smart city ark. nationalism gave way to city (team) spirit more than anything..nobody really say for instance god bless the usa more than Go futurecity1 or whatnot.

The thread was by TheOneElectric ages ago...well worth the read for pure sci-fi concepts..and it actually made a lot of sense overall. Thread here..hoax bin of course..but great sci-fi

I like the concept.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


I was raised to respect my neighbor and mind my own business.

I also expect my neighbor to respect me. I should be able to feel safe and comfortable and not have fear of what my neighbor may or maynot do.

Unfortunatly, we have seen situations like this go bad. Does that make everyone that wants to live like this bad?

No. I don't think so. If this is how these individuals want to live, well, good luck.

It's a fear thing.

When I moved into the area that I am now, people were curious about me. They wanted to know if I was a law abiding person. They wanted to know if their children were safe around me. It was like alittle mating dance. Through my actions and words, I was able to gain their trust and I was accepted.

If I came into my neighborhood ranting about my civil rights and if someone came and peed on my lawn, that I would take up my rights to protect myself and how I was going to do it. Well....... I don't think I would have received as warm of a welcome that I got.

If this is a letgitimate group, I just feel they have gone about things in a negative way.

I would be very wary of them.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Really? Can you tell us where and when this third party will arise?

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

There is the Constitution Party, whose goals are similar to the OP. Here is their website:
www.constitutionparty.com...
In addition, Michael Savage has called for the formation of a similar party:
www.syracuse.com...

Yes, but the Constitution Party is a total joke. It'll be far more interesting to see what happens if the Republicans finally tear themselves apart over their increasingly insane platform.

reply to post by crappiekat


I have typically found that people who make "their rights" into a huge affair are the kind of folks who end up getting rights taken away from the greater populace.

'Tis best to just quietly live your life. No need to ever be noticed. And if you are, then do what seems pertinent to get back to living your life. And get back to not being noticed. I figure it is better to just live with the rights I feel I have than to advertise them for someone else (i.e.: government) to start being jealous of.

"They hate us for our freedoms" would describe the world largest terrorist organization to a "T".

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by dreamingawake

Originally posted by MidnightTide
It is a scam folks:

sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.ca...

Thanks for sharing, figured as much. Vague site, not updated, questionable chosen location.

edit on 13-1-2013 by dreamingawake because: (no reason given)

Well how do we know it's true? Some blog says so and you just believe it without any fact checking? What if they are just trying to smear them?

edit on 13-1-2013 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Here are some more facts from "SurvivalBlog.com The III Citadel Controversy

I suppose one could still believe that this blogger is also just trying to smear them,but it seems fairly credible.Just sharing something I found.

reply to post by crappiekat


Who said anything about peeing on your neighbor's lawn? I'm pretty sure that is not what this is about. It is far more likely that this group is providing an alternative to the Homeowner's Nazi rules being established in urban cities by UN Sustainable Development plans, and when the SHTF in economic and civil collapse, they will be protected by their own people, will have food stores and water and survival stuff.
People . I've read thread after thread where petalk on here all the time about prpping for hard times, and when one group does it physically, you are worried about peeing on lawns.
I've read thread after thread here where people are hinting they feel something is about to happen, they are waiting for the SHTF, but there is nothing but contempt and suspicion when someone prepares for real. Barack and friends have done a fabulous job with their psyops of making people think that if you own a gun and you have extra food you must be an extremist whacko. Never mind that it was how things were done in the old West, when the Pioneers settled and it was survive or die, it was get the fields planted and harvest before the winterstorms or die. City people don't live off the land much anymore, and UN Agenda 21 is seeing to it that they do lesss and less. THey want everyone to move into the big cities where they can control and monitor them and control all the resources, the land, the water, the food, everything.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

I wonder how easy it is to get out after you agreed to come in. The requirements alone will more or less lead to everybody being indebted to the community--how can you leave when you're relied on for the continued survival of the community?

reply to post by yadda333

 

In many respects, it is similar to the way the Amish live, without the walled structure. Occasionally, Amish leave their community, and someone takes up their responsibilities. What happens when a member of a corporation who has an important responsibility leaves, or dies? Someone else takes their place.

The main differences are the Amish don't advertise how "Patriotic" they are all times (they are in fact much more traditionalist religious), they don't have large arsenals of firearms, and they pay taxes and are cordial and respectful to their neighbors who aren't like them. And they aren't angry ranters.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

I have typically found that people who make "their rights" into a huge affair are the kind of folks who end up getting rights taken away from the greater populace.

How about May Day in 2006---immigration protest where illegals flew flags of foreign countries and demanded to have rights as US citizens.

That kind of demanding rights?

Illegals coming into the ER and getting free services that everyone else ends up paying for...that kind of rights?


How about mass indoctrination of the children and youth into certain Progressive ideals...that kind of rights?

How about the rights of the UN to dictate to 300 million Americans what they can and cannot do on their own land?Those kind of rights?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


I agree with your comment about the "My Rights" individuals.

As far as purposely living life quietly and try not to be noticed, I do not conciously go about life that way.

I just live life, and enjoy what I like to do. And I make sure I do not trape over others rights to do the same.

Some people just don't have the common sense to know where to draw the line.

If I decide that I want to have a driving range in my backyard, I'm gonna make sure I'm not gonna accidently break out one of your windows, with my louzey aim. (Never did get knack of playing golf. Ran around yelling FOUR! alot)

Originally posted by CB328

It certainly gives people the opportunity to avoid some of the liberal, socialist trends that are accelerating under the current administration

So they're going to move from a half-capitalist half-socialist socirty (according to Republicans' definition) to a hippie commune?

There are so many things wrong with this crazy idea it's hard to know where to start. Idaho is already one of the wildest, least regulated places in the country to begin with, so why do they need to live in a fortress commune when they can just buy a trailer in the boonies for a couple grand and live their isolationist nightmare?

How does running from your country make you a patriot, and why do people who always call everyone else "collectivists" want to live in a collectivist compound?

I give them 6 months before they all start shooting each other.

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There has always been a strain of radical utopian philosophy which pops up among humans across the centuries. Recent examples are of course Communism, Fascism and various leftist hippie communes/kibbutzim or sometimes similar religious cults.

The gist of all of these are, at their core, "Everything Would Be Wonderful If We Didn't Have the Wrong Kind Of People Around", for various nationalistic, ethnic, religious, intellectual or ideological definitions of "wrong kind of people".

None of them really work---and they degenerate into unfree authoritarianism or selfish, brutal chaos all over again because people find out that those neighbors that they thought were the Right Kind Of People actually Think Different.

And in the end, it is only real-life Englightenment philosophy and practical application of an accepting and large democratic republic, with all of its fissures and flaws and conflict which elevates us from thousands of years of barbarianism and tyranny. The USA of 1791 had started to achieve this, and was nothing like the utopia supposedly imagined by these regressive, paranoid and incompetently angry supposed "Patriots".

I don't know, sounds alot like putting all your fish into one barrel to me. If it came down to it, evasion or guerilla warfare is the only realistic alternative when facing a superior force. Unless the armed defensible neighborhood has anti-missile batteries, I wouldn't want to be within a hundred miles of it.

I think the concept is interesting. One of my friends actually wanted to have 20-30 families move out of his current state and have a survival community in the wilderness.

This place wouldn't personally interest me because assuming it is legit and not a scam, you still have a lot of people living on top of each other. 2-3k acres with 3-7.5k people? At best you would have one acre a person (3k acres and 3k people), but that still isn't a lot of land. It says you can have up to 40 acres a person/family if you live outside the walls, but they don't state whether you are buying Citadel land (therefore reducing the available land that could be within the walls) or if they are assuming you can buy the land around them from whomever owns it.

I would like to see this go through and just watch it from a distance. For myself I would want a min of +80 acres and lots of space between me and my neighbors so this doesn't work for me, but I like what they are trying to accomplish.

Originally posted by twitchy
I don't know, sounds alot like putting all your fish into one barrel to me. If it came down to it, evasion or guerilla warfare is the only realistic alternative when facing a superior force. Unless the armed defensible neighborhood has anti-missile batteries, I wouldn't want to be within a hundred miles of it.

It's clear that the people entering this armed compound don't actually truly believe, in their hearts of hearts, that the government is going to come after them with severe military force, because if they did they would quickly realize the above.

Their "enemies" are actually just other people around who happen to disagree with their philosophy and don't have weapons. They're ranters brandishing their ownership of weapons to avoid having to listen to other people and consider any responsibilities towards others who they unilaterally deem to be Thinking Different.

BTW, will they forfeit their Social Security checks? Somehow, I think not.

reply to post by mbkennel

The gist of all of these are, at their core, "Everything Would Be Wonderful If We Didn't Have the Wrong Kind Of People Around", for various nationalistic, ethnic, religious, intellectual or ideological definitions of "wrong kind of people".

Communism is and always was about forcing everyone else to behave a certain way. It is not based on individual liberties. That is the main difference. Communists are running all over us even today but they just use slick words like "Sustainable" and "Smart Growth".

reply to post by twitchy


i agree it's a gigantic fixed position

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Wow, sounds the craziest cult ever...why the fear? Fight for your liberty by building massive walls around you, great American logic.

Wow, this is very interesting. Thank you for posting this.

2nd.

Originally posted by yadda333
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

 

This sounds like a dystopian nightmare waiting to happen.

I wonder how easy it is to get out after you agreed to come in. The requirements alone will more or less lead to everybody being indebted to the community--how can you leave when you're relied on for the continued survival of the community?

This is my worry ^^

Would people, be free to come and go as they please of thier own will? On paper this is an awesome idea, but I think the reality could easily end up being very different from the idea.

If I remember correctly about 40 years ago, people disatisfied with the government tried something similar calling the place Jonestown. They drank the kool aid and if I remember correctly it didn't end too well for all of them.

Not to mention as has already been pointed out you all would end up just being one big target....

they need to do what the insurgents in Afghanistan have done: blend into the general populace.

reply to post by Cryptonomicon


There are plenty like that. They are members of the free militias of the various states, and their numbers continue to grow.