Schools closing and 2nd teen dies of flu in MN; she had flu shot

Originally posted by maryhinge

Originally posted by SpearMint
The vaccine is based on a prediction of what strain of influenza people will be exposed to. If the virus evolves enough then the vaccine won't be protective, that's why a new one comes out every year. There is no guarantee that the vaccine will stop you getting the flu.

edit on 8-1-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

my DR told me these exact words so if you get a different type of flu the vaccine doesnt do anything

Yes, because the vaccine makes your body recognise and therefore able to defend against a certain strain (or multiple strains, not quite sure) of influenza. Viruses are constantly evolving, if they've changed enough by the time you're exposed then your body won't be able to defend itself because it won't recognise the virus. It may still help you fight it though.

Im not sure if this was mentioned by someone, but Flu Vaccine is a guess on possible strains, the vaccine usually contains 4 strains that are mostly likely predicted to hit.

Meaning you can still get flu from strain #738 or #8739.

I directly helped produce vaccine(i was a Co-Op student), no there is no mind control ingredients or RFID chips. Some does have mercury(which is in safe level), but not all does. Mercury is helps more than you think... last thing you want is a viable bacteria contamination in the vaccine and actually killing you.

Edit: please get information from CDC or the likes instead of paranoid blogger... if they want to actually make you sick...water contamination is MUCH easier and it can cover high population level.. and there are additives that you can never detect.

Go to youtube and search for Dr Tent "The exploding Autoimmune epidemic" it is worth watching for 2 hours.

wife and two kids get the flu shot every year but i do not and never have.
wife works part time at the elementary school


i never got the flu before but have the last couple of years.
which coincides with when my wife started working at the school

whole family got the flu this year it barely affected the kids hit my wife hard and me hard as well lingers fora long time. seems to be concentrated in throat horrible cough etc.

just saw all the posts about get the shot don't get the shot and wanted to provide some info from a family that does and doesn't

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"…the vaccine makes your body recognise and therefore able to defend against a certain strain (or multiple strains, not quite sure) of influenza. Viruses are constantly evolving..."

Now see, you've touched on an important point here, but for a different reason than the perfectly valid one you mentioned.

DISCLAIMER: At the risk of being accused of deliberate disinfo (OMG, reaaally???) for the 3rd time in this thread (which would, incidentally, be the 3rd time in my entire stint on ATS) I proclaim the following to be SUPPOSITION based on logical flow thought within my own person neural connections. I do not expect everyone to think like me, but I DO EXPECT to have the right to an opinion, and to express it without being mocked...

Viruses constantly evolve. Why? Because, to quote Michael Crichton, author of Jurassic Park "...life will find a way." Viruses, just like you and me, want to survive. If they can't propagate and thrive, due to many people's immunity to them, they will transform. Sort of a 'change or die' scenario, if you will. Now ask yourself... does the flu vaccine do more to stop the flu, or change it into something new which even the previously immune folks must be wary of? Is it possible that all of the people who are getting the flu shot are unknowingly causing it to mutate into something more virulent and dangerous???

Originally posted by minettejo
It is also long.....two weeks before you feel yourself.

I also have to warn anyone who gets it, there is a secondary virus hanging out with it. Most people in my area are getting a pretty good cold about a week after. As I type this, my throat is sore, so I am sucking back a lemon-baking soda concoction and have squeezed fresh oranges for juice for the family in the morning.

I feel incredibly sad for the family that lost that beautiful girl. You have to be cautious with any virus.

+1
I know 2 people directly suffering or suffered from the flu. BOTH people had an immediate cold following the exit of their flu.

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Virus will change no matter what, becoming immune to vaccine is ONE of the things, but that's not even 1% of why it changes.

Main contributes are environment.. such as sunlight, interaction between host species.

For example, think about common cold? why do you keep getting it? people don;t get vaccine for common cold yet you keep getting sick every year(sometimes 2-3x a year). It is because there is multitudes of strains, its just like an exponential increase, branch after branch of generations. All we can do is guess the pattern and protect against it. Bird Flue, Swine Flu... are all related..just branched off version. Man does little in the evolution of micro organisms.

im not so much worried about the dead virus strain that they are injecting into people, but more on the liquid and the fluid it is suspended in .

I for one will NEVER allow me or my gf to have ANYTHING injected into us.


this is an article back in 2003 that clearly talks about the rise in epidemics WITH the introduction of vaccines.

www.newswithviews.com...

Here are a few problems I see with the flu vaccine.

1) It isn't 100% effective, and not just because of guessing the strain correctly. Even if they 100% nail the strain prediction, it still depends on your own immune system to develop the antibodies. Not everyone's body will correctly produce the antibodies in response to the dead virus being injected.

2) The vaccine produces a false sense of security in those that get it because they believe they are in fact 100% protected. This leads to them being lazy with other protection methods, washing hands, staying home when they are sick, properly taking care of themselves if they start feeling sick.

3) Even if the vaccine does work 100% for someone and they develop the appropiate antibodies, they can still "get the flu" and spread it before their immune system kills it in their body. They will most likely be contagious for a few days while their body fights it, but they won't show any symptoms so they will go about their daily life going to work or school and spread the virus freely.


With the flu shot being so widespread, and them claiming they have done a good job this year matching the strains, you do have to wonder why flu this year is spreading so rapidly (even though it's really not too much more than previous years, just the media hyping it).

Its not the flu shot, though we certainly don't get any shots and I believe they're very dangerous with far too many additives.

However, we're all sick, this flu/cough is everywhere, and my youngest who was getting better just relapsed.

Last year was the first time I had the flu in years. Sadly, my children did as well, but my husband did not get it. We were tested at the hospital and came back with positive results for type A flu. I have never, EVER had a flu so bad. I really thought I was dying. The muscle pain and spasms were so severe I cried and could not move. My fever was so intense I was having hallucinations. I do not get the flu shot, nor do I get it for my kids.

When the swine flu was a big deal a few years ago, I remember thinking they rushed the swine flu vaccine and was surprised to see the year after, in my doctor's office, a poster saying that all flu shots come with the mandatory swine flu vaccine already in it. You could not opt out of this and just get a "regular" flu shot. This made me nervous, considering the media making a big deal out of people . Because of this, I decided that flu shots could possibly be dangerous because who knows what is being put in and rushed in to make the flu shot season. Maybe I'm paranoid, but everyone around me has the flu right now, all the kids in my kids' school, and we are all healthy here.

My in-laws and my parents get the flu vaccine every year and still they always get the flu. It's either ineffective at best for many, or dangerous at worst for some.

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Main contributes are environment.. such as sunlight, interaction between host species.

Agreed. It's this 2nd one that concerns me. If a flu strain comes up against people who are immuned to it, it will mutate in order to go on living. (If it could live in the host, it would have no reason to change.) So, in my thinking, it stands to reason that the more strains they inoculate against, the more mutations they invite to occur.

I do agree that mutations occur for a number of reasons, I'm just theorizing that inoculations precipitate even MORE of them.

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Rez, consider the possible connections. Chem trails, Nibiru, Flu, clear skies to see, cloudy skies to hide. Early flu, chem trails, schedule of Nibiru. 41 states now have reported the flu. Many days that start out clear soon become cloudy, not storm cloudy or rain cloudy but kind of a chemical cloudy. Are our masters trying to hide something they do not want us to see. Where I live it usually snows and then it clears and sun comes out. Hasn't happened in a while. But many times there are planes flying criss cross patterns and pretty soon cloudy. Just for thought and digestion.

I hope people realise that the flu virus mutates quite rapidly, so the flu vaccine may protect against say “Flu virus A” but if “flu virus A” mutates into “flu virus B” then the vaccine for “Flu Virus A” is into going to offer any protection.

AS sad as this story is that is probably what has happened, it is not evidence of any kind of conspiracy to kill you all with flu vaccines or proof that the flu vaccine is just expensive water. The epidemiological data does not support such claims.

Just thought I'd throw this in... Just saw this on my news here in Denver area:

www.myfoxphilly.com...

East Coast hospitals needing/opting to use quarantine-like flu tents...

Concerning the idea that people who have been recently vaccinated are actually carriers for the disease, consider the advice from the American Cancer Society:

Stay away from people who have recently had an immunization, such as a vaccine for
chicken pox or small pox. Check with your doctor about which vaccines are
important and how long you should stay away from people who have had them.

www.cancer.org...

If the virus was "dead", there should be no problem with coming in contact with those who have compromised immune systems, right?

I think that there is an immunization myth that has been spread and is considered the gospel, yet there are plenty of cases which show that immunizations are not the gold standard of protection like the medical establishment says they are.

I have stated this earlier on another post about the flu recently: Plenty of my acquaintances in the area have come down with a virulent form of the flu, and they received their flu shots back in October. One poster (who is on this thread, I think) told me that they were probably just "confused" and had a cold instead. As if people could confuse the flu with a cold!!

Face it folks, in the fairy tale casino world of immunizations, the flu shot is your worst bet. I stay away from the flu shots now, after years of getting it, and always getting the flu anyway. I take herbal supplements which boost my immune system, and I haven't been sick since. Because I have an autoimmune disorder, I used to get sick every time I went out in public, I picked up every germ, and it always required medical intervention.

But no more. The herbs I take work with my body to kick out the virus. I know, because I feel it start to come on, but it never gets a chance to take root, and within the day I feel better.

As far as healthy young people dying of the flu, in certain cases, a healthy person will be more likely to die from it, because their immune systems go into overdrive to attack the virus, causing the lungs to flood with fluids so quickly that they drown. And yes, they did dig up the Spanish Influenza virus from an Eskimo woman who died from it and was buried in the permafrost in Alaska.

It doesn't make me feel safe to know that psychopaths at Ft. Detrick have this strain of flu, which you just KNOW they've weaponized.

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here is the thing it was admitted early on in this epidemic that the flu shot this year is not going to help with the virus this year. It will however compromise ones immune system and spread the vaccine into the communities.

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The first bout of flu this year was passed around to those who came into contact with people who got the vaccines. I can verify this through my very large extended family back here in the midwest. I steered clear but anyone who came into contact did get it over the course of about a week after contact.

people, children get the shots during their lunch breaks, they go back to work and school and that is how it is spread, the panic ensues and entire communities get sick or vaccinated.

Big Pharma just loves this time of year!!! (" If everything goes according to plans dear, daddy will buy you that new Lexus on your Christmas list")


Edit to say that the first bout was from the vaccine spread throughout communities, this second more deadly and probably one of the most viral is different.

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One good thing is that if you stay hydrated ahead of this virus it is hard hitting but short lived. Figure if you come into contact it will get you. This is similar to the cytokine storm seen during the H1N1 epidemic, so the stronger immune systems can get hit harder. It also strongly affects those who are immune compromised with secondary infections.

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