Schools closing and 2nd teen dies of flu in MN; she had flu shot

Originally posted by Rezlooper
reply to post by paxnatus

 

There's no evidence. I've been anti-flu shot for years and I haven't been quiet about it either so naturally, I have run into many people who have said this. That's it, basically an opinion of my own formed after talking with people who have had the shot and feel that way.

No evidence of what? Vaccines working? If that's what you mean then you need to research it a bit deeper.

reply to post by SpearMint


I was answering her question about evidence of people who get the shot have to get it year after year or they'll get the flu

reply to post by SpearMint


It's definitely not because people aren't exposed to it. Everyone is different, every immune system is different. The same strain isn't going to affect every person.

The people that don't get sick from this particular strain have probably been introduced to it the natural way in the past instead of a "shock to the system" way like getting the flu shot.

Honestly, vaccines are like a shot in the dark. They need to be prepared beforehand so people can be inoculated before the virus enters the body. Sometimes they get it wrong, sometimes it mutates or any number of things can happen in an already weakened immune system.

Originally posted by SpearMint
To all the people saying "I haven't had the shot in X years and haven't gotten the flu": This means NOTHING. You were simply not exposed to it, the shot is for just in case you are, no one is saying "get the shot or you will get the flu".

Uhhh, yeah they are! In advertisements, the news, at work, at school, doctor visits, etc.

Originally posted by Rezlooper
reply to post by SpearMint

 

I was answering her question about evidence of people who get the shot have to get it year after year or they'll get the flu

Oh right, yeah that's not true.

My nephew had the flu shot right before Christmas. He had the sniffles.
My son came down with the flu and then gave it to all of us.

I think the flu shot is spreading it too, especially if they are using weakened virus.

GET THE SHOT
NOT THE FLU

Is the most common poster.

Pretty much says if you don't get the shot, you will get the flu.

Originally posted by Rezlooper
reply to post by paxnatus

 

There's no evidence. I've been anti-flu shot for years and I haven't been quiet about it either so naturally, I have run into many people who have said this. That's it, basically an opinion of my own formed after talking with people who have had the shot and feel that way.

I was referring to your last statement." And once you get it,, you have to always get it or you will get the flu". This is not true.

You should be really careful and make sure you wash your hands a lot especially if you around someone who is sick. I really wish you the best.

So sad about this darling girl.

Originally posted by paxnatus

Originally posted by Rezlooper
reply to post by paxnatus

 

There's no evidence. I've been anti-flu shot for years and I haven't been quiet about it either so naturally, I have run into many people who have said this. That's it, basically an opinion of my own formed after talking with people who have had the shot and feel that way.

I was referring to your last statement." And once you get it,, you have to always get it or you will get the flu". This is not true.

You should be really careful and make sure you wash your hands a lot especially if you around someone who is sick. I really wish you the best.

So sad about this darling girl.

It would be nice to see a study done on this. How bout anyone on here...ever had the flu shot maybe once, or multiple years, but then didn't. Did you get the flu after discontinuing the shot?

reply to post by Rezlooper


I got the flu shot two years ago. Never before and never since and I've never had the flu.

I also got a tetanus shot the same day.

*knock on all the wood*

reply to post by jam321


Look into the history of the flu and how many got it before the vaccines and you´ll see how effective it is in stopping it spreading. It´s only the uneducated that don´t get vaccinated that keep the contagion rate up!

reply to post by Rezlooper


You have raised an interesting point. I would think since the vaccine is made up of several different strains, that either having the flu or taking the vaccine would increase your immunity much more due to the fact you have already started producing antibodies. Good question though.

My only concern is what's in the vaccine. I suspect they put a lot of things in there. I've never trusted the "establishment" when it comes to health. I think they're good at treating wounds or problems after the fact, but they're not good at preventing. I just plain lack trust in them.

What if what's good for a "normal" person is bad for a abnormal person? Do you know what I mean? I mean that what's considered normal may not actually be -strictly- normal. In fact, the modern lifestyle we live is not normal. The pollution and massive ecosystem loss on earth is not normal. The food we eat isn't normal. Etc. The amount that I sit at my computer isn't normal. For thousands of years we lived one way and now in the past 100-200 years we're living another way.

Maybe it's just partly to do with my experience in life so far. Perhaps if I saw things from a differnet perspective I would change my mind. Lord knows my life doesn't chagne a lot. For some reason, I very rarely trust others. I guess I don't know a huge number of people, though.

Don't like being bullied. Don't like being told what to put in my mouth. *sigh*

reply to post by Waldy


With all the propaganda there are record numbers getting the flu shot this year...but, guess what...we're also experiencing an outbreak we haven't seen in decades. So, once again, is this coincidence?

reply to post by Egyptia


Even though you are equipped with exeptional genes that keep your immune system strong, does not mean others are. Our society is filled with people that would not have lived very long without sanitation, modern medicine and health care. These are the people we are protecting with the vaccine shots. The people mother nature would have eradicated if it was not for society.

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Or is it just because we are all more connected so we hear about it more? How many actually have the flu and how many are just sick and complaining about it on facebook?

Honestly there is no way of knowing.

reply to post by Waldy

More like people need vaccination because of poor sanitation and health habits. How many people are willing to properly wash their hands and cough when around others? I kjnow a lot of people who're not willing to go by the book. Life just throws too many things at us in general.

So there're lots of people coughing their guts out while going shopping. Obviously, they should be at home resting because they're sick. And etc etc etc. But life sometimes demands otherwise.

With civilization we're cramming more and more people into smaller places. This doesn't help either. Viruses love it when we're close together in a confined/indoor place. Spreads like fire.

Life is just tough. Tough place sometimes. Not always. Sometimes.

A couple of things to note about the vaccine. The intra nasal spray is a LIVE virus, a weakened
version of the flu, but a live version nonetheless. The flu shot is the DEAD virus that is injected.

If for whatever reason you need to get one, I would go for the shot. This version is least likely to give you
symptoms.

For those of you whom may not know, please do not think I am an advocate for vaccines, nothing could be further from the truth, especially after watching my own child suffer developmental changes 1 week after receiving his vaccines. He is now Autistic and I am quite certain the immunizations were responsible. That does not mean that I think all preventive medicine is a bad thing. Each situation is different.

Pax

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

I work with the sickest people.......carrying all manner of dormant bacteria, diseases and actual illnesses. I have never allowed myself to get a flu shot or anything else. The worker's I know who have bought the lie have been extremely ill, even in hospital.

So the conclusion is that my body is doing just what it is meant to...................theirs however are not. You all need to open your eyes, do research and actually find out some FACTS. Only after acquiring the truth about these vaccinations can anyone make an informed decision that is not based on ignorance.

You were born with an incredible capacity to naturally fight much of what is thrown your way. Have a little faith in the way you were designed explicitly for your survival.

edit on 8-1-2013 by Egyptia because: (no reason given)

Yes 100% Agree with you .. Eat Organic local produce and meats ..no GMO's and NO BIG PHARMA Anything.. ! Especially Vaccines .. they are still pushing the HPV vaccine on me @ the doctors for my daughter who is turning 14 ...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN ..I love her to much I DO NOT trust (THEM) as in Big Business Corporations with any of my or my family's health issues.. of which we have very few if any.. ..