Russia saying Cold War 2 now on.

Hahaha the USA couldn't afford a war with the motherland, almost spilt my tea.

reply to post by Alternative4u


I don't think anyone wins at all buddy.

My post was mocking the MilitaryWarfare's post saying America and NATO forces could do anything to Russia.

I can see the military machine drooling and rubbing their greedy little hands together. What are they going to do with 2 boogie men? Twice as much military spending? Lets triple the national debt and triple the taxes on whats left of the middle class, that should be about right.

Bill

Originally posted by Britguy

Originally posted by Militarywarfare
Russia is simply scared.

Those Russkies, doesn't have the economics wealth to compete with the West.

"Economic Wealth"? Where in the West is that exactly? I want to move there!

And, if there were a war, the West is not in a good shape as far manufacturing goes as so much of it has been outsourced to the Far East, along with the resources to kake those goods. Also gone are the skills to even manufacture domestically, not to mention all the scrapped factories and machinery.

Simply waving a wad of cash in the air and proclaiming yourself dominant is meaningless, unless you have the resources, manufacturing and skillset to rapidly mobilise to fight the war. If all those bright shiny war toys start to get damaged, destroyed or break down, you need to be able to replace them quickly, unless of course arrogance dictates that it would be a walk in the park and over in a week with little or no losses?

Apparently some people need a history lesson. You think America is beaten? You think America can't answer the call? During WWII and the Draft, our WOMEN took over heavy industry and produced our Airplanes, Tanks, bullets, bombs and even ships. No sir, our heavy industry isn't gone - we have scaled it back because we aren't in a World War anymore.

Everyone here needs to keep in mind that the "Wars" (more correctly called Conflicts) that we have been engaged in that past decades have been fought by an entirely VOLUNTEER force. VOLUNTEER.
Let me say that again - VOLUNTEER force. We haven't even ever called in the Inactive Reserves - EVER.
So before you go saying America is beaten lets try to keep some historical perspective. That's all I'm getting at.

reply to post by zeeon


Militarily the USA cannot be defeated, that much is true.

The "cold war" was also a covert war, and in that regard the USA has been defeated, from within. When you can't confront your enemies directly, then you seek out ways to defeat them covertly. It isn't an accident that freedom and capitalism are under attack in the USA from within, it is in part a result of the covert war, psychological operations, infiltration, subversion, influencing policies, ideology, media, "winning the hearts and minds" etc. It has been quite effective, and it is a battle the USA is losing.

There isn't going to ever be a direct military confrontation between Russia and the USA, in fact, there is no need for it now. We've lost, it is just a matter of accepting defeat and recovering from it somehow, if possible.

Defeated from within, a brilliantly orchestrated plan. The only thing that can assure the complete defeat of the USA is a kind of "death blow" one that will make recovery nearly impossible. Russia has the proxies (allies) that can make that happen, if we take the bait...

reply to post by ausername


While what you claim has a slight ring of truth to it, I would ask you present evidence that backs up your theory that the Soviets (sorry, Russians) won the cold war covertly.

Many of the things you said could have been done by a number of enemies, not necessarily Russia. We also could have done it to ourselves, because of our decadence and entitlement era thinking.

reply to post by zeeon


The evidence is all around you now.

Socialism, communism, redistribution of U.S. wealth, manufacturing and jobs outside of the USA, national debt, direction of government, agendas that destroy economic growth etc. I could go on and on and on.

You haven't seen the worst yet, stay tuned.

Originally posted by Militarywarfare
Russia is simply scared.

Those Russkies, doesn't have the economics wealth to compete with the West.

You will not be saying that when China joins with Russia nor do I see economi wealth in the West.

reply to post by purplemer


When they join the Russians?

They've been "joined" for decades now.

Just wait a little longer, you'll all be in the rabbit hole deep enough to see what has really been going on.

Who cares, Russia talks a lot of bull. People don't worry about this, I think China is a major threat to Russsia. Russia military is a joke, I was in the Army while the cold war and they were never a threat. If nukes ever go up, we are all done.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by Militarywarfare
Russia is simply scared.

Those Russkies, doesn't have the economics wealth to compete with the West.

You will not be saying that when China joins with Russia nor do I see economi wealth in the West.

Russia fears China more then it fears West.
There is huge border between 2 states, and Russian side is very scarcely populated while extremely rich in natural resources. China however has huge population and struggles to get enough natural resources to get its economy working properly.
So do not expect Russia to join China.

Originally posted by Britguy

Originally posted by Militarywarfare
Russia is simply scared.

Those Russkies, doesn't have the economics wealth to compete with the West.

"Economic Wealth"? Where in the West is that exactly? I want to move there!

And, if there were a war, the West is not in a good shape as far manufacturing goes as so much of it has been outsourced to the Far East, along with the resources to kake those goods. Also gone are the skills to even manufacture domestically, not to mention all the scrapped factories and machinery.

Simply waving a wad of cash in the air and proclaiming yourself dominant is meaningless, unless you have the resources, manufacturing and skillset to rapidly mobilise to fight the war. If all those bright shiny war toys start to get damaged, destroyed or break down, you need to be able to replace them quickly, unless of course arrogance dictates that it would be a walk in the park and over in a week with little or no losses?

Militarywarfare is right economics is why the Russians got so far behind in the cold war. You might say they went broke.

The reason why is that the rest of the world picked up U.S. currency as the world currency. This made it possible for the United States to float the dollar further and basically print all the money they needed to finance their massively growing military. Basically the United States got lucky, although them playing their hand right did have a lot to do with it.

Yeah it's called wave the pile of money at the corporations that own the machines needed to manufacture massive amounts of armory. Ship those machines and the skilled people needed to run them on over. How long would that take? A month max? Simple.

What is the problem of the U.S. producing goods and such where they are being produced at the moment? i.g. The place where they are being outsourced...If anything it would suffice until they could regroup the homeland.

Also take into consideration where America stood BEFORE WW2. The United States had a tiny navy and little infrastructure in place for the manufacture of ships and such. But by five years time the U.S. had the largest navy and the most powerful military the world has ever seen.

As it stands today the United States already has a very big lead with naval power, technology and sheer number of guns and manufacturing capability. What makes you think that they wouldn't amp it up ten fold in the case of a major conflict?


I'm not saying I agree with such an immense force because that huge budget could be better spent on schools and other things but the capability of such a vastly superior force is not to be taken lightly.

When the U.S. went to war with Iraq they used their normal weapons. If a war broke out with a larger power such as The Russian Federation you would see some of it's black budget secret weapons AND defense systems come into play. Not at first though, only if they find it absolutely necessary to do so as those weapons will be highly guarded and only used if the U.S. has any difficulties which undoubtedly they would have many.

It wouldn't be a short war and it wouldn't be an easy war but in the end there is no doubt that the U.S. would see victory.

Another point directly relating to the OP:

Russia can have it's "mini cold war" with it's tiny budget all it wants it's not going to make one shred of difference with the United States' goals, agendas or means of carrying out those goals and agendas, or obtaining them.

-Alien

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


China and Russia relations have been solid since 1991, and have improved dramatically (overtly) over the last 15 years.

They have the same allies in the Middle East, their covert relations are going to be a subject of great interest in time.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by Militarywarfare
Russia is simply scared.

Those Russkies, doesn't have the economics wealth to compete with the West.

You will not be saying that when China joins with Russia nor do I see economi wealth in the West.

First of all China would not join Russia because they need us a thousand fold more than they need Russia.

Second, tell me where the economic wealth of the world is? I think some statistical data to back your claim would be appropriate here.

EDIT TO ADD: Actually China would be more likely to join the U.S. to defeat the Russians in order to squander its natural resources China needs so much, all the while keeping in good relations with it's money bags ( the U.S.). Think about it it would be a win win situation for China.


-Alien

reply to post by Alien Abduct




Seriously...

www.chinadaily.com.cn...

They also dumped the dollar to trade with their own currencies.

You'd be amazed at what having a common enemy and common interests can accomplish, both overtly and covertly....

reply to post by Alternative4u


Riiiiigggght, Don't believe the hype! If we are locked in a new Cold war, would Russia be included in NATO exercises and have their own troops in the U.S. training with American troops?

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by Militarywarfare
Russia is simply scared.

Those Russkies, doesn't have the economics wealth to compete with the West.

You will not be saying that when China joins with Russia nor do I see economi wealth in the West.

Russia fears China more then it fears West.
There is huge border between 2 states, and Russian side is very scarcely populated while extremely rich in natural resources. China however has huge population and struggles to get enough natural resources to get its economy working properly.
So do not expect Russia to join China.

You are so correct. China also has most of its nukes within range of, all of Russia on the border not within range of the U.S.

China is adding for the U.S. as well but they do not trust Russia at all. Russia does not like them either.

Finally some "good" news!
I've warned in previous threads for Russia, most of you laughed.
I'm "glad", now we're getting somewhere.

As soon as the war with Iran starts, Russia will invade Western Europe.
Once again; Mark my words!

Originally posted by TritonTaranis
LOL @Russia ever dreaming of taking on NATO, The Russian military is an ageing rust bucket i think NATO commanders are probably laughing at the thought of Russia saying such things


Russia would need China & Iran to ever challenge NATO

I just want to put some things in perspective here: NATO has a combined population of over 900 million people, a combined GDP of over $30 trillion, and a combined military budget of over $1 trillion. Does anyone seriously think that any nation, or group of nations wants to take on NATO? It would be suicide not only economically, but militarily.

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