Quake Watch 2013

BO XIAN
reply to post by muzzy

 

How would I get those images to post on ATS as images? Is it easy?

I need the led by the hand method. LOL.

In 3D Viewer, Hover over the View menu, select Snapshot, right click resulting image and save somewhere on your computer.
Open ATS, login.
Once you are in, along the top of your screen is a menu, which should have, home, top, new, live etc
Near the right hand side next to "logout" is a circle with a downward arrow, click that then select "upload" (arrow up inside a cloud)
This is your ATS image gallery.
Click on the "upload" button here again, a small popup screen will appear, click on "select files" and go get that image you saved off 3DV.
click on the arrow up inside the cloud again.
allow the image to load
once it is loaded right click on the text inside the brackets under "BBcode for use in post" and right click your mouse and copy.
Go to where you are posting a reply in ATS and paste the same code there.
Done.
Be aware that those images off 3DV are 700 pixels wide, which is wider than ATS post areaa (550pxls), so odds are it will be automatically reduced in size.

it may seem hard, but its really easy once you have done it a few times. Helps if you have multiple tabs or windows open with each part for the duration of the process (ie 1 tab for 3DV, one for your ATS Image Gallery, and another for your Post Reply in ATS.

BO, I see you are away now, but when you come back ................
selecting a narrower band of area gives a better result in cross section
have a look at this one of Chile, Latitudes 26-27 only
cross section

what I was saying is those links you put on are great to show the earthquakes map like, but when you click on View, Look, North, South, East or West it comes out crap, like a part of a ball (Earth)

reply to post by rosswellian


I am going to reply here because I am guessing you probably cannot use the messaging yet, so I hope the mods will not consider this off topic.

Welcome to ATS and in particular to Quake Watch. As regards the URL I guess I would have found that - it just happened that I hovered over the Twitter button and saw the URL. I have been busy massaging 11 year worth of ANSS data which has taken weeks so I have not been on here as often as normal (although some might not believe that!).

Fantastic tool that. Something we have been looking for. Well done.

I have an earthquake data program - collects data from various places - and it would be very useful to link the output of a listing to the 3D Viewer. Is such a thing possible? (Well I know it is but I mean possible without great effort and cost)

Alternatively is the viewer available as a dll in Windows? (Or java that can be linked from Windows)

If you have Windows you can download the free version of my program from this page and take a look.

The program can output CSV or KML for either Google Maps or Google Earth if that is an advantage in linking (and you are prepared to do this of course). If not I am sure we could cobble something together in Klingon.


Looking at the core Java script (I am not a Java programmer) it looks as it the feed is a, or can be, a JSON file yes?

reply to post by muzzy


You need to enclose the links in a BB URL or they fail as that one has

Chile, Latitudes 26-27 only cross section

Oops you fixed it while I was daydreaming!

reply to post by muzzy


Thx tons, muzzy.

That's exactly the kind of instructions I need.

Have printed them off. Will try and use the next time I do something like that.

In terms of the larger curvature of the earth images . . . I like those and I like yours . . . for different reasons.

I like seeing the sweep of quakes relative to the curvature.

I like seeing yours for the simplicity and conciseness.

The software didn't refuse to do your small ones, obviously. The wording made it sound like if they got too small, it wouldn't work.

Anyway--thanks for the exhortation. Might even follow it sometime. LOL.

Or, I might let you do the concise smaller ones and me the curvature ones. LOL.

Or maybe I'd be kind and do both. LOL.

Much appreciate all your efforts hereon.

Thx thx.

rosswellian
reply to post by PuterMan

 

Greetings! I am the creator of the IEB Google map and the 3DV viewer.

I always crave input on how to make it more user friendly.

I think, personally, it would be great to be able to have the options of including STATE LINES/boundaries and major city points & labels.

And, it might be nice to have your software state your assessment of how close to the optimum size a given selection was as it was being selected.

And, I've forgotten my statistics . . . I don't recall if it's a regression line or what . . . but sometimes it seems to me that it would be nice to have the option of a line of the averaged slope of a batch of quakes that clearly followed some sort of slope. . . . such as NZ or Japan . . . I forget where else such was marked.

Thanks tons for your asking. And super thanks for your great service to so many of us.

Blessings,

reply to post by PuterMan

thanks, yeah I tested it and it said no data available.
I was being being lazy not putting the tags on it.
must only work with short url's

reply to post by BO XIAN


you are welcome.
yeah because I'm more into getting the cross section that is the latitude band I prefer.
What ever you are after I guess.

I didn't want to put too many requests on at once................ but 50% opacity icons/orbs/balls would make the images clearer because when you get a lot of markers they tend to blur together.
At 50% opacity they overlap but you can still see the ones behind, gives an even more 3D effect.
Just a thought, it may not work on a black background.

Expecting another 5+ tomorrow for NZ, based on the 2-4 day theory,
had less than 10TTNT on Friday 18th.

rosswellian
reply to post by PuterMan

 

Greetings! I am the creator of the IEB Google map and the 3DV viewer.

I always crave input on how to make it more user friendly.

I think, personally, it would be great to be able to have the options of including STATE LINES/boundaries and major city points & labels.

And, it might be nice to have your software state your assessment of how close to the optimum size a given selection was as it was being selected.

And, I've forgotten my statistics . . . I don't recall if it's a regression line or what . . . but sometimes it seems to me that it would be nice to have the option of a line of the averaged slope of a batch of quakes that clearly followed some sort of slope. . . . such as NZ or Japan . . . I forget where else such was markedly so.

NEW PART

And, perhaps . . . in cases where there's a mass of quakes . . . I wonder how useful it might be to have an option to select a kind of averaged cases line ?regression line? through the mass showing the greatest degree of clustering planes, locations? Not sure if I'm clear about that. If not, say so and I'll try again.

My thought is that in some cases a thin slice of statistically averaged specific locations might be a clearer indication of what was going on in a limited region than the whole forest of spheres, so to speak. Of course, it might not be that useful either. I obviously don't KNOW. LOL.

I realize one could merely select a lower number of quakes. But I don't know that recency--say the 200 most recent of the last 1,000 quakes--would result in what I'm trying to tease out of the data.

I think I'd rather be able to choose as an option to see say 200 averaged spheres, plane lines or some such representation out of 2000 than merely the latest 200 quakes.

I don't know if this would be possible, or not. Would it be possible, as an option, for the software to choose the BEST PERSPECTIVE, ANGLE to see the MOST quakes from--say slightly below the surface view in a 3D representation?

And, just silly brainstorming further . . . I wonder what it would look like to have an option for the quake points to be represented as the points of a 3D terrain mapping sort of image. That is, that the quake points would be the tips of columns in a 3D representation.

I don't know what that would indicate that might be more helpful than anything else but I think it would be cool and MIGHT give some added insight in some sort of way.

I don't recall if I mentioned to you or elsewhere . . . perhaps SHAPES in addition to spheres to indicate WITHIN A WEEK; 2-4 WEEKS AGO; 4 WEEKS TO 3 MONTHS AGO; 3-6 MONTHS AGO; LONGER THAN 6 MONTHS . . . MAYBE PYRAMIDS, CUBES, SPHERES, STARS, TRAPEZOIDS, HEXAGONS ETC.

i REALIZE that many times, simple is best and it's easy to get so much info on the screen that it boggles the average mind.

Just brainstorming . . . something I enjoy doing. Trash whatever of the above, of course.


Thanks tons for your asking. And super thanks for your great service to so many of us.

Blessings,

muzzy
yeah because I'm more into getting the cross section that is the latitude band I prefer.

That certainly has merit.

It's just my natural bent to think that MORE IS BETTER. LOL. That's certainly NOT always true!

reply to post by BO XIAN


Wow you made my weekend, mate. I really want those pages to be useful and popular and have worked hard, so your kind comments exhilarate.
I can't collate just not the specific suggestion you made, but I kind of get it, how to compare and even search for regions that have similar depth/frequency profiles, if you will... interesing idea.
I'm going to add, in a couple of months, a "heat map" layer, which is so very, very cool. It is a "point density" map, meaning highly dense areas of quakes, no matter the magnitude, cause yellow, orange or even the rare but rewarding RED. Upon investigatiuon of red areas, it is usually a human-caused activity such as mining, or dense array experiments, but the occasional completely Natural earthquake swarm can be seen, such as the completely bizarre 2002 Manchester UK swarm that was confined to October and November.
Monday I'll post my heatmap pics (taken in IEB, the google map at www.iris.edu...) and how it is like "X-Ray vision", or some kind of MRI image, this heat map stuff, it reveals stuff usually hidden by the tons of shallow and / or large quakes that obscure them from view if looking down, as Google maps do. I found tons of open pit mining operations in places like S.Africa and Sweden this way, to the point that it became routine.
But we want students (we are a teaching outreach type organization) to understand the potential of tools like this to root out and uncover interesting anomolies, like the strange quakes medium deep under Romania as an example. (to seem them use the "Go to:" popup menu in IEB and "Mystery Under Romania" is one choice, takes you right to it.) Very excited to have had direct interaction with users and the positive words, hoping to take advantage and learn from you what sorts of things you would like. I plan to make it so that in 3DV when you hold down the SHIFT key the rotation will be confined to whichever axis is dominant, so that the wild, hard-to-control rotation can be tamed to be a bit more sane.
Best 4 now Rosswellian

Hey there Puter man
Yes data are an Ajax call to our own servers which are totally publicly accessible service.iris.edu...
there are many cool products available to programs or people. The parameters are quite consistent, as we are working with Europeans to realize a consistent set, which is why I chose to use those, rather verbose, URL parameters, so as to be consistent with them.
Anyway I have yet to learn how to use this site it is very true, and my boss has me jumping to move on to other stuff but in my heart I want to finish IEB (the google map) and 3DV (the companion 3D viewer), because so far they are unique enough to warrant attention and value.
Now I'm guessing you will implement some cooler thing, haha, and I welcome it. The total lack of ability to visualize "earthqake sets" in profile, or pseudo-3D, so far is abominable. So much info can only be seen if you can look North, Up, or whatever angle, to see the patterns. I can help some, but as I said my boss has me off onto a new project, however as I go I collect feedback such as yours, to bolster my case that we/I should concentrate on these two tools, the map and the 3D viewer. I want to make it really useful but have to fight against real-world forces, as does my boss, of course... I hope to have time enough to be responsive over the next many months, if you can continue to make and share links into either IEB or 3DV, it assists me in my case, whereby I say that the number of hits we get is justification enough to continue and enhance it.
Also, sorry I digressed, if you know start time, end time, min lat, max lat, etc (study the URL it is all in there) then you can programmatically (dynamically) construct links into either IEB (the map) or 3DV ( the viewer) rather easily. Just look closely at the URLs and you will see what is needed. After that, yes your program, or anyone's, can easily make links into the IEB map or the 3DV viewer automatically. I do it all the time myself from my other program, Seismic Monitor -- www.iris.edu... all the details lists, event lists, whatever, they are now showing links into IEB, made dynamically at page serve time. Hope that helps and/or inspires. Stay in touch. Rosswellian

reply to post by BO XIAN


Thanks TONS for your feedback.
It's late and I'm knackered so I won't do my usual long-winded thing for now.
One totally good TIP:

View / Scale / Smaller

It reduces greatly the "golf ball" effect of so many "spheres" and makes the scene more discrete.

It can be done several times to increase the separation of events. I find actually that the default view is too "fat" too "golf bally". I may change the default....

Had I more energy I would upload snaps of the before/after of the simple action of View / Scale / Smaller

I think it will enhance your enjoyment.

I guess I have to beg exhausion for now, been with my mum and step pa, and long evening and trying to get their iDevices to all play well together.

I am seeking input from people such as your self and value your comments, I have to think more about the entire comment you made, there is value to it, of course, but as a s/w engineer I have to consider how much computation can be done on the client (your browser) vs the server (my host). Already I get complaints from pitiable? folk using Internet Exploder 6 or 7 and not able to view my site and though I feel sorry I can't help. Only reason I mention it is that some complex analysis, like you suggested, can be too costly to do in the browser in JavaScript, but times are changing and I need to be open to fact that this may be possible.

All the best, and do please share with friends your experience with the 3D browser. You'll have seen, in other messages here, that I want to make the case to my employers that this stuff needs dedication and enhancement, so more links and traffic may help me avert what I fear, that I am going to be assigned to a new, different project.
I do think so far we have a corner on the availability of an easy-to-use, Flash/Java free way to see seismic event clusters in profile, but am not sure they value this adequately.

Best 2U,
Rosswellian

reply to post by PuterMan


Sorry, one last useful specific answer: the 3DV viewer thing is strictly a web page, I can't offer it as a DLL or any natively executable thing, it just isn't possible.

Other than the Ajax call(s) mentioned already it is pure browser JavaScript.

I will be interested to learn about your program that has analyzed all the ANSS data, sounds interesting.
rosswellian

reply to post by BO XIAN


Hi, just a TIP:

Use View / Scale / Smaller (can be done repeatedly)

it will give more separation and less clutter.

Then use mouse wheel to zoom in. (generally that is what I do)

Hope you like the tool,

rosswellian

reply to post by rosswellian


Wellll, Sir, You made my weekend, for sure.

THX THX THX.

I'm struggling now with some very troublesome things on my plate including my 91 year old dad on oxygen who refuses to get a backup system. So, your encouragement is most welcome--as is the distraction your software affords. THX THX.

I pray that many lives are saved through your diligent efforts in coming traumas.

reply to post by rosswellian


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

THX THX TO YOU.

In terms of priority. . . . uhhh . . . Let me at em. LOL.

I don't know what your boss' prospective is . . . however, I know mine.

Certainly quakes are an intellectual and scientific fascination.

However, FWIW, I am a firm believer that we are well into the END TIMES ERA. Puterman has been patiently cooling my jets hereon for years about no significant increase in quakes as mentioned in Scripture etc. etc.

Nevertheless, I'm utterly 100% convinced that quake magnitude; quake frequency and quake locations are all going to dramatically increase at some point . . . 'off the scale' so to speak.

Regardless, even if things remain more or less as they currently are . . . as the Philippine 7.2 quake recently indicated . . . lives ARE AT STAKE.

I'm utterly convinced that your software--particularly after some months of familiarity by 100's, even 1,000's of bright & discerning folks around the planet . . . your software can only help save lives by giving clues unavailable any other way about potential nearby in geography or nearby in time associated deadly hazards.

As a psychologist (PhD clinical & sociology 2ndary emphasis), let me encourage your boss and whomever . . . to just consider one human factors issue. Your software allows, actually, encourages folks in critical areas to be:

1. much more aware;
2. much more concretely informed;
3. much more impactfully alerted;
4. much more specifically informed;
5. much more convincingly informed

about what's going on literally under their feet.

Along those lines . . .PERHAPS your software could have an optional feature wherein a given recent change in a pattern or trend could be highlighted when a hazard seemed to be increased thereby

It's one thing to see some gross location dots on a map. Oh, Whoopie. A quake is XX feet or XXX feet or whatever from 'my' home. I hope that means the pressure is relieved and nothing more happens. Back to sleep.

Your software makes vividly and abundantly clear that there are specific sorts of trends going on in a given area with potential to continue in specific ways, directions, severities, etc.

In vivid color your software sort of grabs the person by their existential throat and says YOU WILL WAKE UP AND GET YOUR FAMILY PREPPING IN ORDER. YOU WILL GET YOUR QUAKE ACT TOGETHER AND TRAIN YOUR FAMILY HOW TO RESPOND LIFE SAVINGLY NOW. QUIT DELAYING!

There are few things more meaningful and useful that a software engineer could do of more benefit to fellowman, imho.

I just hope and will pray that the PTBe . . . oligarchy doesn't hinder your life-saving efforts. I will pray that your boss understands how keenly such efforts could help save people he loves.

Anyway. Perhaps you get the drift that I'm a fan of you and your efforts. LOL.

BTW, my brainstorming ideas were obviously just that. Set aside or toss or be amused by or whatever suits you. I just try and do what I'd like were I in your shoes and so that's why I rattled on like that. Not to clog your in-basket.

I'll cut this blather short--er than it might have been. LOL.

.

rosswellian
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

Hi, just a TIP:

Use View / Scale / Smaller (can be done repeatedly)

it will give more separation and less clutter.

Then use mouse wheel to zoom in. (generally that is what I do)

Hope you like the tool,

rosswellian

GREAT. THX.

You should have some better clue now how much I like your tool. LOL.

I certainly will continue to let folks know how useful it is. Certainly.

Will likely email my list within 72 hours.