Quake Watch 2013

reply to post by ThePeaceMaker


M6.8 - 96km NNE of Awaran, Pakistan
2013-09-28 07:34:07 UTC
PAGER - YELLOWShakeMap - VIIDYFI? - V

Event Time

2013-09-28 07:34:07 UTC
2013-09-28 12:34:07 UTC+05:00 at epicenter
2013-09-28 00:34:07 UTC-07:00 system time
Location

27.263°N 65.587°E depth=14.8km (9.2mi)

Nearby Cities

96km (60mi) NNE of Awaran, Pakistan
135km (84mi) NNW of Bela, Pakistan
147km (91mi) S of Kharan, Pakistan
151km (94mi) SSW of Surab, Pakistan
811km (504mi) ENE of Muscat, Oman

earthquake.usgs.gov...

M3.2 - 44km NNE of Lyman, Wyoming
2013-09-28 08:54:24 UTC



Event Time

2013-09-28 08:54:24 UTC
2013-09-28 02:54:24 UTC-06:00 at epicenter
2013-09-28 01:54:24 UTC-07:00 system time
Location

41.673°N 110.018°W depth=0.1km (0.1mi)

Nearby Cities

44km (27mi) NNE of Lyman, Wyoming
48km (30mi) WNW of Green River, Wyoming
68km (42mi) W of Rock Springs, Wyoming
90km (56mi) ENE of Evanston, Wyoming
186km (116mi) ENE of Salt Lake City, Utah


earthquake.usgs.gov...

reply to post by Olivine

Puterman, the line in the article that mentioned carbon sequestration was referring to being able to study what, if any, effect drilling deep boreholes into the peridotite-rich rocks may have on the surrounding faults. Not a word about climate change.

carbon sequestration = climate change. There is no other reason for such a daft idea to be dreamed up by such a bunch of complete idiots. It is akin to cloud seeding with sulphites whereby the scientists wish to make my already cool atmosphere in which it is difficult to grow stuff even cooler just because they think they have the right to interfere without as much as a by your leave to prevent something that is pure fiction. The climate of the planet changes. Get used to the idea! No amount of clap trap from the scientists will convince me that their interference in the workings of our atmosphere will not cause a catastrophic runaway into conditions that will terminate life on this planet. They do not have the right to make that decision.

I get your frustration with laboratory modelling, but since we can't actually peer down into the depths, it may be a useful alternative.

Only if it is used by people with some common sense. Unfortunately most of them have none as is amply proven by climate modelling. You can make computer models say what you want them to say.

PM, I notice the Wadati-Benioff zone has been getting more usage in your most recent posts, at the exclusion of the term subduction.
Have you given up on plate tectonics entirely? (This may be too personal of a question--akin asking someone's religion, lol)

I never liked the subduction theory. It does not work for me and plate tectonics just has too many holes in it. In some respects plain old continental drift that I was taught at school suited me OK, but like all these things had it's own problems. When plate tectonics was born, and basically accepted fully after I left school, the Church Of Geology embraced it like the Messiah. (Apologies for the religious analogies)

I guess the main problem all starts with the Earth's core. I can see no logic in their explanation that it is solid iron. It makes no sense what so ever. Never has and never will. When expanding earth came along that too had holes, the main one being how could the Earth expand? Crystals never did it for me so EE was also one with holes.

Then came EU and EMST. This filled many of the holes in the EE theory. I have decided that until I have researched this further, and in light of the fact that I never really agreed with plate tectonics and subduction, I will call what the current clerics of the C of G call subduction zones by their proper name of Wadati-Benioff Zones. That way I can sit on the fence making a commitment to neither camp. If I come down on e the side of EMST and EE they will still be WBZ, just as they will be if I decide they are subducting. It allows me to sit with a foot in either camp without causing argument.

reply to post by pheonix358

We do not even know what gravity is. Yes, we can measure it's effects but that is all.

Yes we do, it is a force all around us strongly akin to beer. It makes everyone attractive and causes people to fall over.

The problem with most science (apart from its current whorish nature) is that in its makeup is great deal of unsubstantiated conjecture that they call theory. The entire study of Earthquakes is based on these conjectures.

Never a truer word, and like the fundamentalist elements of religion seeks to destroy those that disagree.

Puterman, whatever you think has just as much validity as anyone else. Their pieces of paper and their standing in their respective places of high learning means absolutely nothing. It is all supposition based on guesswork.

All the pieces of papers mean in actuality is that the person is good at the University process.

Consider all the teacher you have ever had, a few were brilliant, most were average and a few were terrible. They all have the same piece of paper! Does not mean that they are good teachers, just that they made it through the process.

Absolutely, and thank you for your kindness. I am sure those who hold 'pieces of paper' would vehemently disagree with you. Personally I would hate my ability to think to be fettered by the University process.

ETA: I feel for the Italian? scientists found guilty because their knowledge based on theory that they did not propose was insufficient for the task. It was bloody stupid of their legal system and shows complete lack of any credible thought.

Bureaucratic and legal systems, but particularly bureaucratic systems, are well versed in the ability to conduct their business without an ounce of common sense and for the benefit of their own good.

Was wilfing around looking for stuff about the comet in 1811.
And found out there was a lot of stuff going on worldwide then,
not only the New Madrid quakes of 1811/12!

Subterranean noises, 'Seneca Guns', islands appearing,
violent volcanic eruptions....
A long, but VERY interesting read, in case anyone is interested!

Quote:
"From the beginning of 1811 to 1813, a vast superficies of the earth,* bound by the meridian of the Azores,
the valley of the Ohio, the Cordilleras of New Grenada, the coasts of Venezuela,
and the volcanoes of the smaller West India Islands, was shaken throughout its whole extent,
by commotions which may be attributed to subterranean fires.
The following series of phenomena seems to indicate communications at enormous distances.

On the 30th of January, 1811, a submarine volcano broke out near the island of St. Michael, one of the Azores.
At a place where the sea was sixty fathoms deep, a rock made its appearance above the surface of the waters.
The heaving-up of the softened crust of the globe appears to have preceded the eruption of flame at the crater,
as had already been observed at the volcanoes of Jorullo in Mexico, and on the appearance of the little island of Kameni,
near Santorino the three islands in which there are still active volcanoes.

The commotion was not circumscribed to the insular portion of eastern America; and from the 16th of December, 1811,
till the year 1813, the earth was almost incessantly agitated in the valleys of the Mississippi, the Arkansas river, and the Ohio.
The oscillations were more feeble on the east of the Alleghanies, than to the west of these mountains, in Tennessee and Kentucky.
They were accompanied by a great subterranean noise, proceeding from the south-west. In some places between New Madrid and Little Prairie,
as at the Saline, north of Cincinnati, in latitude 37° 45′, shocks were felt every day, nay almost every hour, during several months.
The whole of these phenomena continued from the 16th of December 1811, till the year 1813. The commotion, confined at first to the south,
in the valley of the lower Mississippi, appeared to advance slowly northward."

Source: ebooks.adelaide.edu.au...
WOQ

reply to post by wasobservingquietly


a good read indeed.
I like the way they described things back then, like "commotions" and "convulsions" for earthquakes .
I was reading a book about the Marlborough earthquake of 1848 last year, they refered to the earthquake and the aftershocks as " the visitation"

reply to post by wasobservingquietly


A most fascinating publication. Thanks for that. Many references to earthquakes in the various chapters.

Since the terms of the Creative Commons licence permit me to do so I have created a PDF version of the whole book if anyone is interested.

Link to PDF version of the book

hmm diddend see this kind of pattern earlyer on YMR ive checked former days ..nothing of such lines..
something has gone different? not harmonic i hope....

www.quake.utah.edu...

reply to post by ressiv

I think P'man has covered this before many many times, the time of the fuzzy lines activity coincides with human activity at the park i.e. 6am to 6pm, every day.
What day is it there? Sunday? ........... more tourists, more cars and buses
Go back to last Sunday and see if it matches

reply to post by muzzy

i know the senstivity of YMR still different from last week ... moore compact...here the chart of 09-22
www.isthisthingon.org...

reply to post by PuterMan


Have read a ways into that pdf book . . . interesting . . .

But what did you glean the most from it that you believe is most useful to us in this era?

I have a lot on my plate and don't think I can get to the rest of it soon.

The last few days have been busy with work but I finally took a bit of time to attempt to answer some questions I had - what, if any relationship exists between solar Maunder's or Dalton's and earthquakes and/or volcanic activity. I spent the time on it, and although feel a little silly since scientists are already looking at these things, thought I would post what I did find - and what I think it means if it isn't evident.

A solar dalton or maunder is believed to relax the geomagnetic field as pressure from the solar winds die down. It appears solar reduction, after a quiet solar max may have an affect on strike slip faults /convergent boundaries. Variations in the crust will always make this unpredictable but these were some of the findings.

www.academia.edu...

If earthquakes increase during a solar max why are we seeing so many during a low activity? If current activity falls within the parameters of this study then it could explain what is going on.
I made a list of strongest quakes from 1610 forward, with correlating sunspots but haven't matched the type of faults yet. It seems it isn't necessary to post them all since this study has done at least some of that.
But...it would be interesting to know where these types of plates are at. Also, convergent boundaries and volcanoes to together.

I know this is off the topic of earthquakes but I wanted to mention I discovered a study that found a relationship between cooling periods and magma chambers that are rich in silica being more likely to erupt. Why they would be more likely to erupt when pressure and ionization decrease is in the study (lots of chemistry and physics to explain why this would be the case). Silica rich volcanoes are already the most destructive. It may also one day tell us that global cooling has not been due to volcanoes (although they don't help), but maybe the sun, and how it affects magma chambers. Add to that findings on earthquakes (convergent boundaries/strike slip faults), and it becomes more intriguing (IMO).

www.sciencedirect.com...

In addition to my list of strongest quakes, I wanted to see if our biggest eruptions had happened during a Maunder or Dalton (or even known cool periods).

Known Maunders and Dalton's.
Solar Maunder - 1645-1715
Solar Dalton - 1790-1830

For this purpose I used many resources on temperatures during the earliest periods to be sure I was on target. None of it can be exact for any given year but it appears that after a spike in temps around the year 1000 temperatures began to drop and stayed low until about the mid 1800's. Starting about the year 1600 sunspots began to be observed. Prior to that I had to look at climate.

Second most powerful volcanic eruptions (VEI 7). Didn't go back too far.


180 AD - Hatepe New Zealand. Records of famine during this time period so likely cold spell.

230 AD Taupo - see link to someone who did research on this time period (and that of 180 AD) -showing it was likely a Dalton or Maunder.
www.kolumbus.fi...

969 AD +-20 years = VEI 7 (earth warming up after cold period). Mt Paektu

1258 Rinjani even VEI 7 (medieval warm period ending)

1815 Tambora VEI-7 in Indonesia. (16.8 sunspots estimated)


These are VEI 6 volcanic eruptions and number sunspots (if known)

8 VEI-6 eruptions between 240 AD and 940 AD (added later and don't want to type out).
1280 -Quilotoa Andes
1452 - Kewle Vanatu
1477 -Iceland
1580 - Solomon Islands and Bougainville
1600 - Andes
1650 - kolumbo Santorini 0 sunspots
1660 - Papua new Guinea - 2 spots
1740 Veniaminof BC ......
1783 or 1785 - iceland - 22 or 16 spots depending on year
1809 unknown location - 2 sunspots
1883. krakatau in Indonesia - 55 spots
1902. Santa Maria VEI 6. - 4sunspots.
1912 novarupta in alaska - 4 spots
*1991 piñatubo 146.2 sunspots (this one is theorized about in the article about high silica levels, ionization, and sun activity).

Number of sunspots per year.
ulysses.jpl.nasa.gov...

Source of eruptions.
en.wikipedia.org...

Study on climate change, volcanoes, and sun reversal. Just another connection to look at.
www.unisci.com...

I see a lot of eruptions when the climate was cooler. The year 1000 saw a spike in temperatures yet I am only finding 2 big ones during that time period (outside of it but close enough). I'm seeing only 4 in current times that have also coincided with a warmer climate. The last thing I want to see research confirm (my own layman stab at it or otherwise) is that volcanoes get more active when it's cool. This would also mean there are more earthquakes preceding these, (in volcanic areas). In addition we're seeing an increase in earthquakes all over - but...What type of faults are they happening on? I don't think the sun can be blamed for it all but I strongly believe it plays a big role. I think in 50 - 100 years we will be pretty close to being able to predict these things. One positive thing - yellowstone hasn't gone off in these histories of low solar activity, in spite of high a silica/rhyolite history. It must be because gasses aren't being trapped so pressure can't build to an explosive state. A release of those gasses would mean a smaller eruption if one even happened from my understanding. I know that after my bit of research on this relationship between cool climate and earthquakes/volcanoes I am more grateful than ever for our experts and this thread overall. There is a ton to learn about these things.

PS - I have links to the climate resources I used. I didn't post since this is so long as it is.

NewZealand, 6.7 now and on Tsunami alert.

hisz.rsoe.hu...#

Elliot
NewZealand, 6.7 now and on Tsunami alert.

hisz.rsoe.hu...#

Ahh - edit to add, The one in between NZ & tonga?

Nothing on geonet yet Geonet NZ

Last 'severe' quake was the Seddon one in August List of most recent severe NZ quakes

5.8 just came in 6 minutes ago, North mid Atlantic ridge......seems pretty active & a bit high these last few quakes around the world tonight.....let me try the link......

dynamic.pdc.org...

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I am sick and tired of this crap.

NZ has a big quake. I am alarmed! Wait, it is almost 1000Km away.

A quake in Western Australia, crikey. No wait, it is 1000+km away in the Indian ocean.

Now a quake in Portugal. No, hang on, it is 1000km west of bloody Ireland.

These guys are loopey. Someone give them a damn map. For gods sake how can they disseminate this information when it is just so pathetic. Truly abysmal! All three of these are in the middle of the bloody deep blue ocean. Did I say pathetic.

FAIL!

If I did this at school I would have failed grade 5 Geography and these are our best scientists. God help us all!

Jeez, kindergarten kids do better with pin the tail on the donkey!

US Goofy services!

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Magnitude Mw 5.5
Region NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE
Date time 2013-09-30 08:16:09.0 UTC
Location 49.50 N ; 28.58 W
Depth 10 km

reply to post by pheonix358


I agree 100%, pathetic.
That 's why we call them USeless Geographical Survey here