NRA wants armed guards in schools

Originally posted by watchitburn
NRA wants armed guards in schools

Wow. What an ingenious, original and unpredictable idea from the Nonsense & Retardation Asylum.

Pray tell, how many guards per school? 1? 10? A small army or M16- toting MPs patrolling the grounds of educational institutions across the US?

Great idea! Just what the American educational system needs: more hurdles to learning!

I would prefer local police . In my town mid and high schools have armed police officers in the schools. We call them safety officers. I feel it not only smart but necessary for the protection of the students as well as the staff. Unfortunatley we do have crime in my town and we also have lawyers that would jump at the chance to suit a teacher for breaking up a fight in school. Teachers should concentrate on teaching, not breaking up fights, stopping drug dealers and talking down parents who are out of control because little jimmy didnt get an A on his exam.

So yes, get cops in all schools now!

We havent had any incidents since we brought our officers in!


Bill

I can always count on the anti-gun crowd to not make sense.

Right now an armed police would be 10 minutes away, has to wait till somebody calls the police to engage in any sort of response.
Anti-gun person: "Yeah, sounds about right."
Okay then, how about we take that armed police officer and just, you know, station him at a school. Police officer is 1-2 minutes away from gunman at most, and can respond upon hearing gunfire.
Anti-gun person: "OUTRAGEOUS! They are going to make our school unsafe! We need less guns in our school, not more!"
But a gun free zone is only gun free till somebody decides to bring a gun into it...

Let's just all call Adam Lanza what he really was. A terrorist. Maybe not in the religious/political sense of it, as we will probably never find out what his reasons were, but his actions fit the bill. He's caused mass fear across the country by extreme violence. When terrorists used our airports as a weapon to spread fear, what did we do? We improved airport security. When the threat of a terrorist using a nuclear reactor as a weapon became obvious, what did we do? Upgraded security to ensure they couldn't. When there's a threat, the natural response is to improve security. So WHY are people so against improving the security of our schools, when it is clear they are being attacked?

In 1994 Clinton had a nice little ban go into effect. The TEC-9 was specifically listed in the act. 1999, columbine high school shooting, one of the weapons used? A TEC-9. After five years they couldn't keep a banned weapon out of the hands of a disturbed high school student. Why do you think a gun ban would be more effective this time around?

Originally posted by grimreaper797
I can always count on the anti-gun crowd to not make sense.

Oh really? You do want a SWAT in every school? How welcoming an environment that would be...

I feel that some people think that distopia portrayed movies like "Mad Max" back in 1980s is quite OK, with every person toting some serious firearm.

What a retarded society... and what retarded idea...

Originally posted by grimreaper797
Let's just all call Adam Lanza what he really was. A terrorist. Maybe not in the religious/political sense of it, as we will probably never find out what his reasons were

If you admit that we don't know his motives, you have no business posting this silly statement. He can be any number of things. For one, Lanze didn't seek "coercion". Look at the definition.

Guards with Guns at Airports: CHECK
Guards with Guns at Courthouses: CHECK
Guards with Guns at Prisons: CHECK
Guards with Guns at Military Bases in US: CHECK
US Guards with Guns at Military Bases in 100+ Nations: CHECK
Guards with Guns at Highway Checkpoints throughout the US: CHECK


Need I go on........

reply to post by watchitburn


I disagree with guards or police in schools.
These types would only want to go around and enforce laws that are pretty trivial, they would not be there for the childrens protection.
Now if we armed the staff, teachers, principals, Etc. they would be there only to teach and protect the children, not play cops on the campus.
We don't need more police, we need more Momma Bears.

reply to post by watchitburn


There were armed guards in the school during the Columbine massacre. Those good guys with guns didn't stop that massacre and more guns in the schools won't prevent future massacres.

Originally posted by Gauss
I'm Gauss, and I approve of this message.

But, seriously - it's not ideal by any means. But the fact is, there is a very big chance that, had there been armed guards in the school in Connecticut, they would have been able to blow that freak of nature to Hell before he could've gone on his little psycho spree.

We don't like armed guards around our kids - but we like even less to see our kids at the mercy of a bloody psychopath with a gun.

Just my 2 cents.

edit on 21-12-2012 by Gauss because: (no reason given)

Exactly.

Do any of you take your kids into the bank with you? Chances are your child walked right past an armed guard. How about a jewelry store? Ever take your kids there?

Have any of those armed guards gone berserk and killed anyone? Have ANY armed guards ever done that?

While I am a HUGE supporter of the 2A, I am a little nervous about teachers being armed. You have to trust the individual teacher, perhaps many in one school, to make sure their loaded firearm is secure and away from kids. I think it is much easier and probably cheaper to put one or two armed guards at a single entry point, with video surveillance. Perhaps have a couple administrators or other front office staff trained on firearms as a contingency. Have each district have a guard pool so that each location is covered in the event of illness/vacation, etc., like how they handle substitute teachers.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz

NRA wants armed guards in schools

SO DO I.

Who needs armed guards? Okay a little sarcasm there, but do you not think that somehow this NRA crowd are just a little bit too cosy with the gun industry, with this plea of yet more proliferation of weapons in the US.
I did a quick search on the 'net, with a simple keywords, "How many guns in the USA in private hands" and this came up,

"The United States has the largest number of guns in private hands of any country in the world with 60 million people owning a combined arsenal of over 200 million firearms"
Now, mad as that figure may seem, these are only the known figures, and not much point of putting a +/- against them!
Stuff like that, when you consider the expense of weapons, makes the gun industry way out there???

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Oh really? You do want a SWAT in every school? How welcoming an environment that would be...

I wouldn't send my child to a school that didn't have some form of armed security. That's like traveling on an airline that doesn't have any security. No thank you. I'm not even promoting the idea of some random untrained guy who has a concealed carry permit being allowed. I'm talking about trained officers. You know, the ones who would be the first responders to such a shooting ANYWAY.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
If you admit that we don't know his motives, you have no business posting this silly statement. He can be any number of things. For one, Lanze didn't seek "coercion". Look at the definition.

I knew some person would come in here and say some nonsense like that. He spread terror. He's a terrorist. Not by the legal definition or the wiki definition you probably used, but by the base meaning of the word. Somebody who causes terror, great fear. He is a terrorist in the true sense of the word.

reply to post by oper8zhin


While you and i may see the neutering of the 2nd Amendment as a slippery slope into a true police state, i also just as quickly see a constant armed presence in schools as a slippery slope toward the same. Call it conditioning or desensitizing, I see having someone with a gun at the gate as the start to a whole new generation's initiation into a more ubiquitous surveillance state with all the foreshadowed coercion (through the ever-present authority figure with a gun).

Unfortunately, what we are liable to get is the armed guard at the school and the removal of your right to bear arms.

We all know it won't be long after they standardize gun carrying in schools, most likely by private security firms - the new privatize, privatize, privatize mantra of this nation, there will be some incident involving a student with a gun, supposedly, or a knife that turns out to be a pocket knife for fishing or something, and the kid is shot dead.

I'm sorry, in all the school districts across this country, I'm just not seeing this happen sufficiently to warrant such a rash response. Maybe many people "feel" like it's happened in their hometowns, but that vicarious sensation is a product of the media pounding the tragedy into your mind all day long.

reply to post by g146541


I disagree. Teachers and such don't go through the same procedures and checks to become teachers that police go through to becomes police officers. Police officers are screened much more thoroughly. If you want to screen teachers as rigorously as cops, by all means. But first, you'd have to do it with all teachers (some of them won't be allowed to be teachers then because they failed the assessment, not sure if that's a bad thing though) and it would create budget problems. Second, the teachers might not want to carry. Third, they would probably (rightly) demand more pay because of their new job qualifications. Costs increase further.

If the cops are going to be the first responders anyway, why not have one there to begin with just in case?

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by grimreaper797
I can always count on the anti-gun crowd to not make sense.

Oh really? You do want a SWAT in every school? How welcoming an environment that would be...

I feel that some people think that distopia portrayed movies like "Mad Max" back in 1980s is quite OK, with every person toting some serious firearm.

What a retarded society... and what retarded idea...

Retarded? Really a cop in school is retarded. Do you have children? Swat? How did SWAT get into this, Mad Max? WTF you smoking junior. I was happy there was a cop in my kids school but I also support community police. My 2 best friends are cops . My kids were happy there was a cop in school. They felt safe. So yes it was a good envroment. My wifes a teacher, she thinks having a cop in schools is a great idea too.

Bill

reply to post by oper8zhin


Having armed guards in Columbine didn't stop Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from shooting up the place.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
reply to post by g146541

 

I disagree. Teachers and such don't go through the same procedures and checks to become teachers that police go through to becomes police officers. Police officers are screened much more thoroughly. If you want to screen teachers as rigorously as cops, by all means. But first, you'd have to do it with all teachers (some of them won't be allowed to be teachers then because they failed the assessment, not sure if that's a bad thing though) and it would create budget problems. Second, the teachers might not want to carry. Third, they would probably (rightly) demand more pay because of their new job qualifications. Costs increase further.

If the cops are going to be the first responders anyway, why not have one there to begin with just in case?

Are you suggesting that the districts do not do a background check on their teachers??
where is the difference between a police background check and a teachers?? Hint: there is none, background is background.
For the teachers who do not want to carry, that is fine.
I am sure there would be at least one per school who would love to carry for their protection as well as the children they have come to know and care about.
I don't think pay would become an issue, many would carry for the protection.
If pay was an issue though, the gun hating teachers would all of a sudden want to carry too I am sure.

why do americans slaughter each other more than any other western civilized nation, if more guns mean saftey you would be the safest country in the world..yup just throw more guns into the mix and that will fix everything..brilliant plan


im not anti gun either..just anti stupid

Originally posted by Camperguy

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by grimreaper797
I can always count on the anti-gun crowd to not make sense.

Oh really? You do want a SWAT in every school? How welcoming an environment that would be...

I feel that some people think that distopia portrayed movies like "Mad Max" back in 1980s is quite OK, with every person toting some serious firearm.

What a retarded society... and what retarded idea...

Retarded? Really a cop in school is retarded.

Did I say retarded? I was wrong. I meant cold effing stupid retarded. If you need armed cops in your school YOUR SOCIETY IS BEYOND FOOBAR, my wise friend.

Do you have children?

Multiple. Next.

WTF you smoking junior.

Have respect for older people, punk.

reply to post by retiredPunk
Good Point. Not sure if they were undercover (like federal marshals on Airplanes). I would think some kind of Federal Marchals in schools might be a better solution so they are not targeted.

Otherwise, I think Big Pharma is a major problem in these recent cases.