NRA wants armed guards in schools

reply to post by wildtimes


...well...then you equip classrooms with portable radios in the event of an incident. You may still have some fatalities but it will bring a police presence to the scene much sooner.

reply to post by hoochymama

Guards with Guns at Airports: CHECK Guards with Guns at Courthouses: CHECK Guards with Guns at Prisons: CHECK Guards with Guns at Military Bases in US: CHECK US Guards with Guns at Military Bases in 100+ Nations: CHECK Guards with Guns at Highway Checkpoints throughout the US: CHECK

And in the NRA's reality....

Guards with Guns at schools: CHECK
Guards with Guns at Daycare: CHECK
Guards with Guns at Wal-Mart: CHECK
Guards with guns at Kroger: CHECK
Guards with guns at Church: CHECK
Guards with guns at Synagogues: CHECK
Guards with guns at Mosques: CHECK
Guards with guns at Libraries: CHECK
Guards with guns at playgrounds: CHECK
Guards with guns at work: CHECK
Guards with guns at the Pub: CHECK
Guards with guns at the Pool: CHECK
Guards with guns at the Beach: CHECK
Guards with guns to guard the guards with guns: CHECK
Guards with guns at Old folks home (to guard Grandma): CHECK
Guards with guns at the ZOO: CHECK
Guards with guns Home Depot: CHECK
Guards with guns at Dennys: CHECK

WHERE DOES IT END?

WHO DECIDES WHAT GETS GUARDED?

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS?

THIS IS INSANE!!!!!!!!!

Do we teach our children in armed camps now? Am I the only one that sees the dystopian nature if these arguments?

I would rather live in a Communist totalitarian dictatorship than send my kids to armed summer camps and 'teaching' institutions.

WE CAN DO BETTER.

reply to post by wildtimes
3rd floor to the 1rst 2 to 3 minutes max. Po Po 5-10 minutes. Could save ? Lives.....

I do love the comment earlier in this thread that Home Schooling (if you can do it) makes protecting your kid much easier.

reply to post by Cosmic911

Kindly check my post (to which this one of yours replies), and you will see my background re radios and officers.

Never mind, here you go:

...yeah, I worked for 3 years in a public school for the kids who couldn't manage in regular classrooms -- some with emotional disorders, some with organic disorders. We had radios, and codes, and were trained in restraining and de-escalating crisis situations. When a kid with Intermittent Explosive Disorder decides to hurl a desk at your head, you'd best have another trained staff-member right there.

The USA isn't the only country that uses armed gaurds.

reply to post by wildtimes


Good. We agree. Cool.

Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by watchitburn

 

I can agree with the statement about good guys with guns. But are armed guards in schools the answer? I don't know. I don't think gun control would accomplish anything either

Good guys need to be on equal footing with bad guys; there's no doubt. However, those good guys should be trained police officers, not the average tom, dick, or harry with a gun. I believe schools should have resource officers staged at school from police departments. Not an army, maybe just one. I think this is very reasonable; this way you get an armed officer, but a professional police officer. Additionally, maybe we could arm people with tasers to begin with. Or have a lock box with a taser until police arrive.

Tasers (in the hands of 'officials') have allegedly killed over 200 non violent "innocent' people, (people guilty of nothing serious) it seems IMO they are simply being used to torture on the spot (non compliance) rather than what they were originally said to be meant for 'in place of a gun to ELIMINATE fatalities'. What a farce and a joke, if citizens would have ben armed when the last police posse executed an innocent man not far from me, the story would have had a much different ending, instead they sat by helplessly as this innocent man was executed by electrocution right in front of their eyes and could (would) do nothing.

reply to post by ErEhWoN
I see your point. I was just pointing out the places we have Guards but in Schools where there are young Kids we dont. Simple as that. Wall Mart, Day Care, Etc. had nothing to do with my post. But, considering the Money spent to Guard other precious goods why not Guard our most Precious. Unless you dont have kids than I understand your post. Edit: I dont know the NRA's agenda (I am sure there is one beside protecting the 2nd amendment).

Personally, I wouldn't trust anyone but myself or my kids to protect them. At the same time I know that I cant control some lunatic from trying to kill them. Either way, life is precious but I understand not everyone feels that way. I do my best!!!!

reply to post by Gauss

i'd rather see them ban the prescribing of ssri's to kids. there is no need for police to be in elementary schools.

Originally posted by g146541

Originally posted by vonclod
why do americans slaughter each other more than any other western civilized nation, if more guns mean saftey you would be the safest country in the world..yup just throw more guns into the mix and that will fix everything..brilliant plan

im not anti gun either..just anti stupid

edit on 21-12-2012 by vonclod because: (no reason given)

I was under the impression that Mexico had us by 7 times the kill ratio.
But that is just wiki, so no real confirmation but if they claim 7 times more....you gotta think theyr'e abit worse than us.
They do have gun control in Mexico btw.

(Edit)
Unless you are speaking of the Americas north and south.
Cuz some of those central and southern American countries do have some high murder stats as well.
Then again so do Europe and Asia, just their media is suppressed.
Antarctica is the lowest I'd imagine.

edit on 21-12-2012 by g146541 because: Be safe, move to the iceberg!

hmm i dont think mexico is included in the same category as u.s., canada, u.k..etc,.considered underdeveloped same as south american countries or african countries, mexico has some serious gun control but sharing a border with the u.s. means the bad guys will get them, and the bad guys own mexico..hell maybee the u.s. govt will send some down.. and yes the murder/gun crime rates are high in south and central america..but again not considered western industrialized nations. as for europe i have no reason to believe the figures given for gun crime would be too inaccurate..interesting to note low rates in the northern european countries that have mandatory ownership and training.
yes antarctica wins..if people started moving to antarctica the crime rate would rise..

reply to post by RaraAvis

should they be in banks?

reply to post by vonclod


But they do have gun control so why not consider those countries for this argument? Especially when saying the US needs more gun control. Which I might add, buying a gun in the US is as simple as you think if you do it legal.

reply to post by Cosmic911


Please realize, those schools where I worked were "special ed" programs for kids with so-called "Severe Behavioral and Emotional Disorders" (although it also included kids with autism, schizophrenia, degenerative brain disorder, etc.). That is NOT the same level of security and communication and training as is normal in a mainstream public school.

This is my point. If the staff is carrying radios and trained so that the kids don't hurt themselves, staff, or other kids in these "alternative programs"....why not have them in mainstream classrooms/hallways as well???

And, if you're not dealing with a potentially physically (personally) violent kid, but rather a MANIAC WITH A GUN, wouldn't it be prudent to be PREPARED?

Originally posted by watchitburn


Personally I am not a fan of the NRA. I think they are more interested in generating profit than protecting the 2nd Amendment. There is also reason to believe they provide private gun owners information to the Govt. But overall, I think any organization that big is not to be trusted.

I can agree with the statement about good guys with guns. But are armed guards in schools the answer? I don't know. I don't think gun control would accomplish anything either.

I'm not sure there is an answer.
As I have said before, the world is not now, nor has it ever been a safe place. And I don't see that changing any time soon.

What do you think about this?
And lets try to keep it civil...

www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Isreal had a problem with guy's shooting up their schools in the 70's.... The teachers were then required to be armed... guess what.. Not one since.. What gunman is gonna wanna go shoot up a place with a risk of him being shot or stopped? Do these people target police stations or gunshows? No? Why not? DUH? I think all brain dead folk should be banned and ignored for trying to take MY rights away. No T&C just ban the sheep.
And in my own personal exp... I have seen more off duty cops practice unsafe gun handling at the range than your average citizen.. See citizens have repercussions if they F up, they don't... .

GS

reply to post by g146541


The officer was not exactly in the part of the school where the shooting started when it started. Had he been in the cafeteria and the shooting had started in the smoking area that he was patrolling it would have been the same situation. He responded within two minutes. What I take away from that anecdote is that he engaged one of the shooter more than once and each time he was unsuccessful in neutralizing the shooter. And this was a 15 year veteran of the Sheriff's department.

I understand that you want your children to be safe in their school, but your idea of safety is my idea of a Hellish nightmare of fear. The indisputable fact is that as the presence of guns increases the statistical likelihood of those guns being used in unintended ways increases. I would never send my child to a school with armed cops roaming the halls. These types of tragic massacres are fortunately not common. A child is as likely to be killed at school as a person is to be killed by being struck by lightning. And unfortunately, the sad truth is that many, many more unarmed, innocent people die each by the hands of police officers than by the psychopaths who shoot up schools.

Our Government as a Policy has used Weapons as a deterrent for at least 70 years (NUKES). So, our Government pushing Gun Control is not good as they them selves wouldn't do the same.

Adam = NKorea Columbine Killers = USSR Norway Shooter = Germany

Come now people...get your head out of ur a**.

Originally posted by watchitburn
I was thinking, and I'm just throwing this out there.

Maybe have 2 or 3 teachers in each school be armed?
Let the faculty vote on who it should be, and ensure they are properly trained in weapon safety and handling.
Just an idea.

Teachers are there to teach. Not kill. Besides they don't get paid enough for what they do much less to play cop on top of that.

I support this, only if the cost of hiring guards goes directly to gun owners.

300$ yearly registration fee for each gun plus liability insurance

The only issue I have with this suggestion is: How much would it cost for these armed guards? How many teaches, books or indeed cancer treatments could be afforded for the same cost?
Rather than having an armed, school power happy snitch & bully; it would perhaps be better to have every teacher armed (or perhaps every other teacher in order to reduce the risk of a psycho teacher massacre!).

I agree it's terrible in every massacre nobody has been armed enough to fight back. I also agree that America is just about impossible to disarm, to the degree that would make gun deaths fall to European levels (after all it's the criminals you have to disarm). I like being in an un-armed society, but believe America is stuck with an armed one -certainly there will be few crime benefits for many decades.

Other Issue Is...
These last two massacres seem real suspicious -like the work of hypnosis. If there's anything true these conspiracies then nothing will stop more massacres till the terrorist-government have got what they want.