Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

because it has been photographed by the LRO and it's position identified by tracking data.

Why should I take your say so that they didn't?

.....

I didn't say that !

It's very common for Apollo believers, to think every unbeliever, has the exact same thoughts about what really happened. They speak to hundreds of unbelievers and think they have only spoken to one unbeliever, because their mind doesn't want it to be many unbelievers, and certainly not with different views. So when a Apollo believer speaks to you, he speaks to this "one unbeliever" he thinks exists, outside of his mind.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

More strawmen. Here we have a typical Apollo denier debating tactic. Ignore direct questions and instead impose an extremely narrow range of information that they consider to be acceptable, usually when they know there isn't answer and they can then carry on skipping down the rabbit hole convincing themselves they've had a biug "A-HAAA" moment and chalked one up for their side.

You know full well that there are no photographs of Armstrong posing. So what? ....

But there are, there are a lot of them, but not on the moon ! Your photo of him in the rocket, prove that he had no problem posing and smiling to the camera ! So, what is the real explanation for the missing photos ? try to be a bit honest !

And why do you think photos taken on the moon, prove that man has been to the Moon ? are photos taken on Mars prove that man has been to the Mars ?

Here is 3 minutes and 43 seconds of 16mm film, which was taken at 12 frames per second.

Your film doesn't seem to be taken on the moon, we were all told that they would be able to jump from 6 to 10 feet high, your film was not taken in that low gravity. Just to give you an example, let’s say that you weighed 100 kg on Earth. If you stood on the Moon, and then onto your bathroom scale your weight would only be 17 kg. With gravity on the Moon so low, you would be able to jump much higher. If you can jump 30 cm on Earth, you would be able to jump almost 2 meters (6.5 feet) straight up into the air.

Told by whom? How do you know it was not taken in low gravity? How do you know it was not filmed on the moon? How do you know how high they should have been able to jump? Do you see any of them jump in the film?

Almost every media told us that in 1969, today you can read it here

www.universetoday.com...

Don't come back telling me that the publisher of Universe Today is a believer, I know that ! The facts remain the same, they should be able to jump 6 feet, none of them jumps nowhere near that, so no this was not filmed on the moon.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

How about answering some of my questions or are you going to continue building bogus strawmen? The magazine that photo came from has images of Earth in them. Got any explanation for that? Craters in the photos were not known about on any pre-Apollo views of the site, yet they show up on LRO images. Got any explanation for that?....

Try to think of LRO in Mars orbit taking pictures of craters on Mars not known about on any pre-Mars rover views of the site. Get it ?

You clearly don't. Apollo astronauts on the lunar surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 40 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?

You didn't get that ? let's try one more time !

"Mars rovers on the mars surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 4 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?"

Do you now see why your "proof" is no proof ?

maybe this will help ?

"Surveyor 5 was the fifth lunar lander of the American unmanned Surveyor program sent to explore the surface of the Moon. Surveyor 5 landed on Mare Tranquillitatis. A total of 19,049 images were transmitted to Earth."

Where did the supposed manned Apollo 11 lander land and took some images, two years later ?

about 25km away.. so like did the surveyor probe have a giant telephoto lens?

Very good, you have the ability to think outside the standard story, of course it didn't have a giant telephoto lens, but how do we know it really landed that far away from the Apollo 11 landing site, because they told us so ? What would then be the purpose of the 19,049 images taken at the site ?

How about you show us any of the Surveyor 5 images that show any of the same objects visible at the Apollo 11 site?

As for the jumping issue, how high could you jump on Earth wearing a suit and PLSS weighing 90kg? Could you even jump at all?

I don't know where the 19,049 Surveyor 5 images are, do you ? thats alot of images, you know !

The PLSS was 26 inches (66 cm) high, 18 inches (46 cm) wide, and 10 inches (25 cm) deep. It was tested in space for the first time by Russell Schweickart in a stand-up EVA in Earth orbit on Apollo 9. His PLSS weighed 84 pounds (38 kg) on Earth, which translated to a weight of only 14 lb (equivalent to the Earth weight of 6.4 kg) on the Moon.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

Of course I got that, but you don't seem to get that it doesn't prove, somebody walked on mars or the moon, don't say you didn't get it now.

It does when there are people in shot, and those people set up equipment that can be seen in LRO images, and those people collect samples and return them home and they are shown to be from the moon, and photographs taken in lunar orbit and on the lunar surface can be dated exactly thanks to what can be seen on the Earth.

It's not difficult to superimpose pictures. www.hq.nasa.gov...

It was Randy L. Korotev that in 1969 said the rocks were from the moon, I don't know why everyone believes him, even after they found the same kind of rocks in Antarctica, and even named them lunar meteorites ?

You as everyone else know that unmanned spacecrafts and rovers, can take pictuers of earth from anywhere in space.

Back to the fact that Armstrong "the first man on the moon" did not pose on any pictures, while he allegedly was on the moon, and then spent his whole life playing a shy guy that didn't want to be credited for anything !

He had absolutely no problem posing on pictures, up until the day newspapers said he was "the first man on the moon" ! Obviously he was not and didn't want anyone to say so.

There has even been suggestions that someone else was there before him or died trying ?

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

How about answering some of my questions or are you going to continue building bogus strawmen? The magazine that photo came from has images of Earth in them. Got any explanation for that? Craters in the photos were not known about on any pre-Apollo views of the site, yet they show up on LRO images. Got any explanation for that?....

Try to think of LRO in Mars orbit taking pictures of craters on Mars not known about on any pre-Mars rover views of the site. Get it ?

You clearly don't. Apollo astronauts on the lunar surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 40 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?

You didn't get that ? let's try one more time !

"Mars rovers on the mars surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 4 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?"

Do you now see why your "proof" is no proof ?

maybe this will help ?

"Surveyor 5 was the fifth lunar lander of the American unmanned Surveyor program sent to explore the surface of the Moon. Surveyor 5 landed on Mare Tranquillitatis. A total of 19,049 images were transmitted to Earth."

Where did the supposed manned Apollo 11 lander land and took some images, two years later ?

about 25km away.. so like did the surveyor probe have a giant telephoto lens?

Very good, you have the ability to think outside the standard story, of course it didn't have a giant telephoto lens, but how do we know it really landed that far away from the Apollo 11 landing site, because they told us so ? What would then be the purpose of the 19,049 images taken at the site ?

How about you show us any of the Surveyor 5 images that show any of the same objects visible at the Apollo 11 site?

As for the jumping issue, how high could you jump on Earth wearing a suit and PLSS weighing 90kg? Could you even jump at all?

I don't know where the 19,049 Surveyor 5 images are, do you ? thats alot of images, you know !

The PLSS was 26 inches (66 cm) high, 18 inches (46 cm) wide, and 10 inches (25 cm) deep. It was tested in space for the first time by Russell Schweickart in a stand-up EVA in Earth orbit on Apollo 9. His PLSS weighed 84 pounds (38 kg) on Earth, which translated to a weight of only 14 lb (equivalent to the Earth weight of 6.4 kg) on the Moon.

Can you actually read?

I said "a suit and PLSS weighing 90kg". The suit and PLSS weighed 90kg. Well, 91kg (and 96kg for the J missions) if we are being picky.

So far, have you presented any arguments at all that are not based on misconceptions?

You said there are no photos of Armstrong on the moon. There are thousands.

You said the TV footage is missing. It isn't, and it has been posted on this thread.

You said Armstrong didn't pose for photos "because he was shy". What a joke. He posed for plenty of photos. On the moon, he was in charge of the camera for the vast majority of the time.

You said Surveyor 5 landed at the Apollo 11 site. It didn't.

You said people should be able to jump 10 feet on the moon, which is nonsense.

Look - even wearing a 91kg suit/PLSS, how easily Armstrong could jump up onto the ladder. He made it onto the third rung of the ladder, a distance of "easily five or six feet" considering the bottom rung was about 3ft off the ground. Just after the 2:00 mark in this video:

www.hq.nasa.gov...

Could you do that in Earth gravity with all that weight on your back?


There are lots of people on this thread who know a lot about space flight (I am not talking about myself BTW). Trying to argue with them will only make you look stupid.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

How about answering some of my questions or are you going to continue building bogus strawmen? The magazine that photo came from has images of Earth in them. Got any explanation for that? Craters in the photos were not known about on any pre-Apollo views of the site, yet they show up on LRO images. Got any explanation for that?....

Try to think of LRO in Mars orbit taking pictures of craters on Mars not known about on any pre-Mars rover views of the site. Get it ?

You clearly don't. Apollo astronauts on the lunar surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 40 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?

You didn't get that ? let's try one more time !

"Mars rovers on the mars surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 4 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?"

Do you now see why your "proof" is no proof ?

maybe this will help ?

"Surveyor 5 was the fifth lunar lander of the American unmanned Surveyor program sent to explore the surface of the Moon. Surveyor 5 landed on Mare Tranquillitatis. A total of 19,049 images were transmitted to Earth."

Where did the supposed manned Apollo 11 lander land and took some images, two years later ?

about 25km away.. so like did the surveyor probe have a giant telephoto lens?

Very good, you have the ability to think outside the standard story, of course it didn't have a giant telephoto lens, but how do we know it really landed that far away from the Apollo 11 landing site, because they told us so ? What would then be the purpose of the 19,049 images taken at the site ?

How about you show us any of the Surveyor 5 images that show any of the same objects visible at the Apollo 11 site?

As for the jumping issue, how high could you jump on Earth wearing a suit and PLSS weighing 90kg? Could you even jump at all?

I don't know where the 19,049 Surveyor 5 images are, do you ? thats alot of images, you know !

The PLSS was 26 inches (66 cm) high, 18 inches (46 cm) wide, and 10 inches (25 cm) deep. It was tested in space for the first time by Russell Schweickart in a stand-up EVA in Earth orbit on Apollo 9. His PLSS weighed 84 pounds (38 kg) on Earth, which translated to a weight of only 14 lb (equivalent to the Earth weight of 6.4 kg) on the Moon.

You said there are no photos of Armstrong on the moon. There are thousands.

I didn't say that !

It's very common for Apollo believers, to think every unbeliever, has the exact same thoughts about what really happened. They speak to hundreds of unbelievers and think they have only spoken to one unbeliever, because their mind doesn't want it to be many unbelievers, and certainly not with different views. So when a Apollo believer speaks to you, he speaks to this "one unbeliever" he thinks exists, outside of his mind.

originally posted by: Ove38

It's not difficult to superimpose pictures. www.hq.nasa.gov...

You're talking to a photoshop user of many years. Are you claiming that the LRO images have been made to fit the Apollo ones? Really? Signals beamed from the moon that can be intercepted by anyone and decoded and you think someone is adding Apollo artifacts to them? Who? When? Where?

I look forward to your proof of this.

It was Randy L. Korotev that in 1969 said the rocks were from the moon, I don't know why everyone believes him, even after they found the same kind of rocks in Antarctica, and even named them lunar meteorites ?

The reason they call them lunar meteorites is because they match the characteristics of Apollo samples, which were collected from the moon.

I look forward to your proof that they weren't.

Korotev is just one person who has studied the Apollo samples, and many many scientists have examined them since. He was not the first person to analyse the lunar samples, in fact he didn't even have his first degree at that time. Everyone believes him and all the other scientists who have studied them because they are experts in their field and because they exhibit features that confirm the gravitational and atmospheric environment in which they were formed.

I look forward to your proof that they are not lunar samples.

You as everyone else know that unmanned spacecrafts and rovers, can take pictuers of earth from anywhere in space.

Indeed they can but when those photographs also contain people, and the TV broadcasts contain people, and the 16mm video contains people as well, then its kind of a clue that people took the photographs. When the TV signals are known to be coming from the moon and also contain people and the Earth then your argument gets a little lame. We're not talking isolated shots of Earth here, we're talking about images of earth with the moon in them, with astronauts in them.

I look forward to your proof that the TV, 16mm, 70mm and 35mm images were taken by robots. and that the images of earth aren't genuine.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

How about answering some of my questions or are you going to continue building bogus strawmen? The magazine that photo came from has images of Earth in them. Got any explanation for that? Craters in the photos were not known about on any pre-Apollo views of the site, yet they show up on LRO images. Got any explanation for that?....

Try to think of LRO in Mars orbit taking pictures of craters on Mars not known about on any pre-Mars rover views of the site. Get it ?

You clearly don't. Apollo astronauts on the lunar surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 40 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?

You didn't get that ? let's try one more time !

"Mars rovers on the mars surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 4 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?"

Do you now see why your "proof" is no proof ?

maybe this will help ?

"Surveyor 5 was the fifth lunar lander of the American unmanned Surveyor program sent to explore the surface of the Moon. Surveyor 5 landed on Mare Tranquillitatis. A total of 19,049 images were transmitted to Earth."

Where did the supposed manned Apollo 11 lander land and took some images, two years later ?

about 25km away.. so like did the surveyor probe have a giant telephoto lens?

Very good, you have the ability to think outside the standard story, of course it didn't have a giant telephoto lens, but how do we know it really landed that far away from the Apollo 11 landing site, because they told us so ? What would then be the purpose of the 19,049 images taken at the site ?

How about you show us any of the Surveyor 5 images that show any of the same objects visible at the Apollo 11 site?

As for the jumping issue, how high could you jump on Earth wearing a suit and PLSS weighing 90kg? Could you even jump at all?

I don't know where the 19,049 Surveyor 5 images are, do you ? thats alot of images, you know !

The PLSS was 26 inches (66 cm) high, 18 inches (46 cm) wide, and 10 inches (25 cm) deep. It was tested in space for the first time by Russell Schweickart in a stand-up EVA in Earth orbit on Apollo 9. His PLSS weighed 84 pounds (38 kg) on Earth, which translated to a weight of only 14 lb (equivalent to the Earth weight of 6.4 kg) on the Moon.

You said Armstrong didn't pose for photos "because he was shy". What a joke. He posed for plenty of photos. On the moon, he was in charge of the camera for the vast majority of the time.

No I didn't say that either, I said Armstrong wanted us to believe he was shy guy not willing to take credit for anything, and by that wanted to explain why there is no picture of him posing as the first man on the moon !

So your explanation is that he was "in charge of the camera" and so couldn't take a historical picture of himself as the first man on the moon ? don't you see how sought out this explanation is ?

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

It's not difficult to superimpose pictures. www.hq.nasa.gov...

It was Randy L. Korotev that in 1969 said the rocks were from the moon, I don't know why everyone believes him, even after they found the same kind of rocks in Antarctica, and even named them lunar meteorites ?

The reason they call them lunar meteorites is because they match the characteristics of Apollo samples, which were collected from the moon.

I look forward to your proof that they weren't.

Korotev is just one person who has studied the Apollo samples, and many many scientists have examined them since. He was not the first person to analyse the lunar samples, in fact he didn't even have his first degree at that time. Everyone believes him and all the other scientists who have studied them because they are experts in their field and because they exhibit features that confirm the gravitational and atmospheric environment in which they were formed.

I look forward to your proof that they are not lunar samples.

Who had the rocks before 1969 when Korotev had them ? all the other scientists got some dust marked moon rock and believed it because they had not seen anything like it at the time, lunar meteorites were officially not discovered at the time.

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: choos

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey
a reply to: Ove38

How about answering some of my questions or are you going to continue building bogus strawmen? The magazine that photo came from has images of Earth in them. Got any explanation for that? Craters in the photos were not known about on any pre-Apollo views of the site, yet they show up on LRO images. Got any explanation for that?....

Try to think of LRO in Mars orbit taking pictures of craters on Mars not known about on any pre-Mars rover views of the site. Get it ?

You clearly don't. Apollo astronauts on the lunar surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 40 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?

You didn't get that ? let's try one more time !

"Mars rovers on the mars surface took photographs of features that they could not have known were there. Photographs from orbit taken 4 years later reveal those same features. Got any answers that explain that?"

Do you now see why your "proof" is no proof ?

maybe this will help ?

"Surveyor 5 was the fifth lunar lander of the American unmanned Surveyor program sent to explore the surface of the Moon. Surveyor 5 landed on Mare Tranquillitatis. A total of 19,049 images were transmitted to Earth."

Where did the supposed manned Apollo 11 lander land and took some images, two years later ?

about 25km away.. so like did the surveyor probe have a giant telephoto lens?

Very good, you have the ability to think outside the standard story, of course it didn't have a giant telephoto lens, but how do we know it really landed that far away from the Apollo 11 landing site, because they told us so ? What would then be the purpose of the 19,049 images taken at the site ?

How about you show us any of the Surveyor 5 images that show any of the same objects visible at the Apollo 11 site?

As for the jumping issue, how high could you jump on Earth wearing a suit and PLSS weighing 90kg? Could you even jump at all?

I don't know where the 19,049 Surveyor 5 images are, do you ? thats alot of images, you know !

The PLSS was 26 inches (66 cm) high, 18 inches (46 cm) wide, and 10 inches (25 cm) deep. It was tested in space for the first time by Russell Schweickart in a stand-up EVA in Earth orbit on Apollo 9. His PLSS weighed 84 pounds (38 kg) on Earth, which translated to a weight of only 14 lb (equivalent to the Earth weight of 6.4 kg) on the Moon.

You said there are no photos of Armstrong on the moon. There are thousands.

I didn't say that !

You strongly implied that there weren't any when you said (and I quote)

Could you show us all the photos taken, showing Armstrong on the moon ? If not, why should i believe your story about Armstrong on the moon ?

I've showed you several thousand photographs of Armstrong on the moon in this thread.

Can you prove that each one (or even one of them) was faked?

If not, why should I believe your story about Armstrong not being on the moon?

And why are you also ignoring all the photographs of Aldrin on the moon, on the same mission? We know there were only two people in the LM so who took those?

I was expecting something like this of the alleged first man on the moon ! You give me a video supposedly taken on the moon, that you say are thousands of photos of Armstrong ?

a reply to: Ove38

You were expecting? Well sorry if the mission wasn't designed to your personal expectations.

Why is a photo like that of the second man on the moon not good enough for you? Or the TV, cine film and five Hasselblad images of Armstrong on the surface? Plus two Hasselblads of him grinning at the camera inside the LM on the surface, oh and of course the pics of him reflected in Aldrin's visor.

And, once again, I repeat, a 16mm film is not a "video". It is a series of individual photographic frames.



Just because there is no single photo that fits your carefully designed specifications (carefully designed to exclude all the photos we do have, that is), doesn't mean there aren't thousands of photos of him.

Photos don't stop being photos just because you project 12 of then per second!

Typical HB argument: "I will ignore all the evidence unless you can produce one piece of evidence THAT I KNOW DOESN'T EXIST" it's pretty laughable.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: Ove38
You were expecting? Well sorry if the mission wasn't designed to your personal expectations....

I think the whole world expected to see a picture of Armstrong posing on the moon ! and expected Aldrin to take that picture ! as he was trained to do with his chest mounted camera.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

It's not difficult to superimpose pictures. www.hq.nasa.gov...

You're talking to a photoshop user of many years. Are you claiming that the LRO images have been made to fit the Apollo ones? Really? Signals beamed from the moon that can be intercepted by anyone and decoded and you think someone is adding Apollo artifacts to them? Who? When? Where?...

If you had looked at the NASA link I gave you, you would have seen that it is a superimposed Apollo picture, not a LRO picture. It shows how easy it is to put a astronaut, into a Apollo image, taken by a moon rover. The pictures of Aldrin all looks like they were taken in a studio on Earth.

www.hq.nasa.gov...

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: Ove38
You were expecting? Well sorry if the mission wasn't designed to your personal expectations....

I think the whole world expected to see a picture of Armstrong posing on the moon ! and expected Aldrin to take that picture ! as he was trained to do with his chest mounted camera.

Aldrin was trained to take photographs with the camera. His training was not specifically to take images of Armstrong, It was to use the camera. He did use that camera to take photographs of Armstrong, so his training was a success. He was also trained to use the 16mm camera, with which he filmed Armstrong from the LM.

Armstrong was also trained to use the camera. Amongst other things Armstrong took a photograph of Aldrin, An extremely famous one - I linked to it earlier - you never worked out what else it was that appeareds in the image exactly where it should do.

Unfortunately you are not in a position to speak for the whole world, and your expectations of what you think constitutes a successful lunar photography objective are not necessarily the same as either NASA, Armstrong, or the world's. Your personal disappointment at Apollo 11 not providing you with a photograph that matches your precise specifications constitutes neither a mission failure nor evidence of fakery.

Armstrong and Aldrin had a few hours on the lunar surface. They had stuff to do. If you actually watch the TV broadcast and the 16mm DAC footage you can see that it's Armstrong who takes most of the photographs.

However here he is at work:



Sorry he isn't waving for you. He's busy. From:

www.lpi.usra.edu...

originally posted by: Ove38

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

originally posted by: Ove38

It's not difficult to superimpose pictures. www.hq.nasa.gov...

You're talking to a photoshop user of many years. Are you claiming that the LRO images have been made to fit the Apollo ones? Really? Signals beamed from the moon that can be intercepted by anyone and decoded and you think someone is adding Apollo artifacts to them? Who? When? Where?...

If you had looked at the NASA link I gave you, you would have seen that it is a superimposed Apollo picture, not a LRO picture. It shows how easy it is to put a astronaut, into a Apollo image, taken by a moon rover. The pictures of Aldrin all looks like they were taken in a studio on Earth.

www.hq.nasa.gov...

I looked at it, I know exactly where it was from and why it was done. It's hosted by the ALSJ under their creative bit.

www.hq.nasa.gov...

Apollo 11 Double Vision

Mauro Freschi has provided a previously unknown Apollo 11 photos showing twin astronauts.

It is not taken from a rover, it is the same Aldrin image duplicated and messed around with (look at the glove and legs). The guy who did it signed it. See how easy it is to spot a fake?

It is not evidence that supports your claim. Still waiting for that.

I see that you in lack of argument, in several posts now, pretend not to understand what's being said.

A NASA picture is not as you think a good evidence for man ever walking on the moon, these claims have to be verified by a non-NASA rover on the moon. Until then I choose to believe that the Apollo landings like all other landings on the moon were unmanned, and only remote controlled rovers taking a lot of pictures and videos on the moon, that were later manipulated by NASA and mixed with pictures taken in studios on earth.

originally posted by: Ove38
I see that you in lack of argument, in several posts now, pretend not to understand what's being said.

A NASA picture is not as you think a good evidence for man ever walking on the moon, these claims have to be verified by a non-NASA rover on the moon. Until then I choose to believe that the Apollo landings like all other landings on the moon were unmanned, and only remote controlled rovers taking a lot of pictures and videos on the moon, that were later manipulated by NASA and mixed with pictures taken in studios on earth.

provide proof of this video manipulation you speak of..

particularly how they were able to manipulate gravity on everything so precisely that it has stood the test of time for over 40 years..