Back to this: Papa John and His Anger at Obama Ruining his Business

Please change the record already...

If you want to be rich like him, first, quit wasting your time on the internet, especially unfruitful sites like ATS. Than actually come up with an idea and market it. Otherwise deal with it. Not everyone was meant to be mega rich, and that is not the most important thing in life. Do you think that the rich think about making more money when they are on their death bed? I give up

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by VaterOrlaag

 

Obviously, the point is lost on you and you will never understand.

That he's threatening to fire his employees? And that's like, bad, so we have to tell him how to spend his money?

I mean, personally I don't really care what the guy spends his money on, I certainly hold the right not to spend my money in any of his restaurants.

Instead, you'll happily suckle such pigs in the name of capitalism.

I will happily suckle the concept that no one has the right to dictate to another human being the manner in which they are to spend their money.

Its really very simple.

You don't have that right.

you do know it is illegal to threaten someone to sway their vote right? its really simple. you can not employ someone and make threats about said employment to influence their vote. thats what this guy did.

are you also aware that an employer pays people money to perform a service for their company right?
so why are you defending people who obviously have made a fortune but refuse to pay the very people who make it happen in a decent respectful proportion to the task being performed so they can live at a basic quality of life level?
do you not understand that if there we not minimum wage laws they would pay them even less then they do now? its about respect. its about their greed. they respect no employee & have massive amounts of greed. anyone can see that when rich whine about returning to their normal pre-Bush tax cut level. "what? pay my fair share on the books? eff that, I get special treatment because a have so many employee slaves..what? pay them a decent amount, eff that too.. I need to have a million percent more fake fiat $$ in my bank to feel powerful"

you do not have the right to take away labor laws & tax laws on the books no matter how hard you play cheerleader suckling the fat cats teet.. & btw just because you do doesn't mean they'll pay you any better.

Why do these guys always wear Hawaiian shirts,
are overly tan, and have a blow up doll as a wife?
Is that the dream?

Originally posted by lithographyman
Hopefully Obama dies of natural causes real soon....

Probably the most pathetic post I've seen on ATS........ today. Grow up, why do you wish Obama dead and why do you think such a cretinous comment is in any way related to this thread?

You have been a member since 2009 and you think that kind of remark is worthwhile or helpful on ATS? You truly must be a very sad, pathetic individual to make it.

reply to post by reeferman

you do know it is illegal to threaten someone to sway their vote right? its really simple. you can not employ someone and make threats about said employment to influence their vote. thats what this guy did.

Of course I do, but what does that have to do with feeling entitled to tell a person how to spend their money?

This thread is just a bunch of moaning over what rich people spend their money on.

are you also aware that an employer pays people money to perform a service for their company right?

Yes, that's how businesses work.

so why are you defending people who obviously have made a fortune but refuse to pay the very people who make it happen in a decent respectful proportion to the task being performed so they can live at a basic quality of life level?

Wages reflect a person's level of skill and responsibility. The pizza delivery boy is not going to get paid as much as the regional manager.

do you not understand that if there we not minimum wage laws they would pay them even less then they do now?

Who are we talking about? Papa Johns is a big company. Are we talking about the pizza delivery boy or the regional manager? It doesn't matter how much a company decides to pay their employees, why does that give someone the right to tell anyone how to spend their money?

And what do minimum wage laws have to do with people moaning that some rich guy decided to build a castle because he is "greedy?"

its about respect. its about their greed.

Sounds like self-righteous drivel.

they respect no employee & have massive amounts of greed. anyone can see that when rich whine about returning to their normal pre-Bush tax cut level. "what? pay my fair share on the books? eff that, I get special treatment because a have so many employee slaves..what? pay them a decent amount, eff that too.. I need to have a million percent more fake fiat $$ in my bank to feel powerful"

But, you see, you just pointed out the problem. The problem is not business owners "being greedy," it's that fiat currency that is controlled by a handful of people that is the problem.

you do not have the right to take away labor laws & tax laws on the books no matter how hard you play cheerleader suckling the fat cats teet..

Please quote me when I said to do away with labor laws. I will be waiting.

I merely pointed out that people do not have the right to tell someone what they have to do with their money. it doesn't matter if that person is rich or poor, there is no excuse for starting a revolution because some guy spends his money in a manner that we disagree with.

I am playing cheerleader for everyone with an income. I am sick of the "micromanage mentality" that people have.

& btw just because you do doesn't mean they'll pay you any better.

I am not 18. I am not a pizza delivery boy with delusions of getting "paid better" for a job that barely requires a pulse.

I am defending a person's right to be rich. Or a person's right to spend their money the way they see fit, regardless of how much they make.

reply to post by Jeremiah65


Another way to look at this greed is to ask:
"Is it so much to ask to sacrifice 14 cents from every pizza to provide every American decent health care?"
Especially when it's been proven he will only lose 3.6 cents up to 4.3 cents per pizza to provide health care. How about quit giving away 2 million pizzas? Too logical? No, too much f-ing greed to live in America because his whole argument is un-American.

Those rich #s need to stfu. There part of the roach problem. Greed is what has ruined us not the POTUS.

reply to post by ColoradoJens


The reason "Papa John" can afford these kind of luxuries is because his company puts next to NO toppings on their pizzas and then charges an arm and a leg for it. They show this GORGEOUS pizza on TV, then you get it and there's 10 little pieces on top....we ordered an XL with black olives there were 8 black olive slices on the whole pizza. The pizza with delivery was like $17.00 Not including tip for 4 items and we ended up having to put our own stuff on the pizza....This has happened more than once, People are too stupid and busy watching the TV to notice they are getting ripped off.....(by the way I do not have a TV...I was at my father's when this happened).

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by lithographyman
Hopefully Obama dies of natural causes real soon....

Probably the most pathetic post I've seen on ATS........ today. Grow up, why do you wish Obama dead and why do you think such a cretinous comment is in any way related to this thread?

You have been a member since 2009 and you think that kind of remark is worthwhile or helpful on ATS? You truly must be a very sad, pathetic individual to make it.

Probably a GLPer...

His pizza is crap. No skin off my back if it goes.

reply to post by VaterOrlaag

The point is, these business owners are already wealthy beyond their means.

Wealthy beyond their means? That basically sounds like "I think these guys have too much money and want to do something about it."

You do not have the right to tell a person they have "too much money." You especially do not have the right to stop them from being "wealthy beyond their means."

Obamacare will not take a huge chunk of their wealth as much as they'd like to think it would. If they think it would, then I would like to see them prove it because I do not buy it.

It doesn't matter if Obamacare was going to take one dollar for every billion they make. You cannot rationalize robbing someone simply because you need their resources.

Theft is theft, whether its done by private citizens or governments.

Too many people think that their employers have to pay for their health insurance on top of their wages. Americans have lost their sense of responsibility...that same responsibility that made us free and independent in the first place.

I have never received a benefit package from any of my employers. All of my "health insurance" comes from the savings account that I opened. My health is my responsibility.

But posts like these take away from the core of the problem, which is health insurance in the first place.

As long as people demand benefits from their employers, hospitals and doctors offices will know that they can charge whatever rates they choose because they have a guarantee that someone will foot the bill.

Not to mention the fact that a handful of companies have a monopoly on the supplies that hospitals and doctors offices require, and they charge insane rates for the products.

Their businesses do not run many, if any franchises where I live so they definitely won't be getting any of my money.

No, you HAVE to spend your money at Papa Johns. I will remember to lobby to make sure that becomes a law.

Still, I think they have no right to pass the buck to the customers and fire their employees when the economy is already on shaky ground.

They can fire whomever, whenever, they want. Its their business.

The "economy" is a rigged circus. The faster people realize this, the faster we can solve the actual core of the problem.

reply to post by Phoenix


Did he earn his wealth? Certainly.

Is he a better man for it? No.

reply to post by lithographyman


You and the people who starred your post are the worst type of posters on this site. Don't you ever forget that.

Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by Phoenix

 

Did he earn his wealth? Certainly.

Is he a better man for it? No.

He earned his wealth on the backs of the unfortunate, by exploiting people that may not be able to work anywhere else.

I would have to agree that he isn't a better human being because of his wealth.

Originally posted by LewsTherinThelamon
The "economy" is a rigged circus. The faster people realize this, the faster we can solve the actual core of the problem.

Many of us do realize that, which is why we are attacking those who have rigged the game. Defending capitalism is one thing, defending those who have hastened this country to unresolvable predicaments is another. Your statements simultaneously defend and indict the power elite, and I don't even think you realize it.

If you were a chicken, would you support KFC as well? Would you climb into the fryer willingly? Because hey, they have the right to eat me...

Point is the uber-wealthy have perpetuated this dysfunctional system, and no matter how much you love capitalism, something needs to be done. Like many things in this country it may be a matter of choosing between the better of two evils.. but in the end the needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few.

If everyone in the world only needed to eat beans to survive, and beans were the general currency in our society, and I had amassed more beans than myself or my family could eat in two lifetimes (they don't spoil), but I didn't provide enough beans for my workers who collect the beans enough for their families to eat, you would defend my right to do so... I get that. Doesn't make it morally right, and when there enough bean hoarders in the world, that the general populace begins to suffer something has to be done... it's just that simple.

There is a reason that stories of characters such as Robin Hood are popular. Stealing is wrong, I think we can all agree on that, but when greed is financially raping and backstabbing your country do you ignore it, and defend their legal right to do so? Or do you pick up the bow and arrow and become a leader instead of a follower?

Choice is yours.

Originally posted by lithographyman
Hopefully Obama dies of natural causes real soon....

Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it - it being President Joe Biden

Originally posted by muse7
The people who defend these greedy cockroaches are going to be the first ones to be lined up against a wall when the second revolution comes.

The people who defend these greedy cockroaches are the ones who own the guns, genius. Fellow conservatives, mostly.

I don't think anyone needs a house that large. either, but it is their money, not yours. They earned it, you did not.

How would you feel if a homeless person came into your house and told you that you didn't deserve to have that big screen or that xbox because you were "greedy"? You are not an authority on how much another person can or can not have. That is the thinking of a communist, pal. If you have a problem with Schnatter, order from your local pizza shop, don't spout off about how "greedy" he is. It's economy of scale. Take a class.

Also, how about commenting on how much these guys give to charity. Oh yeah, omit the positive information, just like the MSM. Birds of a feather.

By the way, if you've ever bought a single powerball ticket, you are a hypocrite.

reply to post by AwakeinNM


Hey, taxing them a little more really shouldn't be this big of a deal, when it can have enormous benefits to the country as a whole. They have every right to earn billions of dollars and spend it as they see fit, but they need to be taxed accordingly... it really won't damage their pocketbooks and they still have the right to spend their cash on giant flying golden toilets or whatever they want... or bathe in nickels, I really don't care, I love capitalism, but to suggest those that control most of the money shouldn't pay a higher percentage of tax seems a bit ridiculous.

What we need to be talking about is a system where a person can accumulate a net worth of 600 million dollars managing pizza stores while our scientists, engineers, writers, et al, struggle to stay in the middle class. We overvalue a certain skill set which IS valuable, but it must serve a greater purpose. I would much rather have 600 small business millionaires making pizza than 1 papa.

reply to post by Osiris1953

Many of us do realize that, which is why we are attacking those who have rigged the game. Defending capitalism is one thing, defending those who have hastened this country to unresolvable predicaments is another. Your statements simultaneously defend and indict the power elite, and I don't even think you realize it.

But, that is just the thing, I am not defending the power elite. I know very well who the enemies of the people are, and it is certainly not the proprietor of Papa Johns.

The enemies of the United States have always been "the bankers," for lack of a better term.

If you were a chicken, would you support KFC as well? Would you climb into the fryer willingly? Because hey, they have the right to eat me...

But that is not the same thing. The United States has always had rich business men, that is a part of the United States. But it is not rich businessmen who have destroyed the Union.

Or, let me rephrase that, our Union has not been destroyed by the fact that people can become rich.

Was it rich men who helped to shape the Federal Reserve? Yes. Was it rich men who have taken over the Union? Yes. Does that mean that all rich men are guilty of the crimes of a select few, simply because they are wealthy? No. That would be irrational.

wealth /= evil

Point is the uber-wealthy have perpetuated this dysfunctional system

But, when you say it that way, you are making it sound like they perpetuated the dysfunction as a result of their wealthiness, which simply isn't the case.

For "the bankers" it was never about wealth, it was about the power to control nations. It is fractional reserve banking and the law that has been used as weapons against us.

and no matter how much you love capitalism, something needs to be done. Like many things in this country it may be a matter of choosing between the better of two evils.. but in the end the needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few.

That would be a false dichotomy. Why should people have to choose between two evils in the first place? If we still have to choose between two evils we are still perpetuating the same system.

The majority should not be able to dictate to the minority, nor vice versa.

If everyone in the world only needed to eat beans to survive, and beans were the general currency in our society, and I had amassed more beans than myself or my family could eat in two lifetimes (they don't spoil), but I didn't provide enough beans for my workers who collect the beans enough for their families to eat, you would defend my right to do so... I get that. Doesn't make it morally right, and when there enough bean hoarders in the world, that the general populace begins to suffer something has to be done... it's just that simple.

In that context I would agree with you. Because in that context it sounds like the majority of people are simply being robbed of the things they need to survive, which is wrong.

In a sense that is basically what has happened, but we need to be sure we have the clarity to know who has actually done it to us.

There is a reason that stories of characters such as Robin Hood are popular. Stealing is wrong, I think we can all agree on that, but when greed is financially raping and backstabbing your country do you ignore it, and defend their legal right to do so? Or do you pick up the bow and arrow and become a leader instead of a follower?

Yes I agree.

But I disagree as to whom we should be taking up arms against.

Choice is yours.