Native American Indians & The People of Palestine......One in the same..And it's a damn shame.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
For pete's sake folks I'm talking about the Native Americans of long ago and how they were done. Not modern day Native Americans.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by dollukka

 

There has never been a country named as palestine, area which was called as palestine was part of Jordan. So according to old testament ( written 1400 B.C ) God gave Israel to jews.

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat that, I have a copy of Collier's World Atlas and Gaxetteer, copyright 1938, right here on my desk which clearly shows on page 100 a country named Palestine, separated from Transjordan by a big orange border . No Israel, though.

Who wrote the Old Testament? Big clue.

Originally posted by CincinnatiReds
I take it you're not a believer in Darwinism?

Originally posted by ninjamikec

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by openyourmind1262

 

Interesting analogy.

Theres probably some other good analogies out there as well. Maybe the Civil Rights movement? Difference there being that Blacks were taken from their land. With the Palestinians, their land was taken from them.

What is/are "Blacks"? Are you trying to say Africans? They were not taken, they were sold, mostly by their own people. Some by french settlers.

Originally posted by DrGod

Originally posted by Quadrivium
reply to post by openyourmind1262

 

How very little do you know of the area?
Even if there was not a Nation of Israel, there would still be fighting in the Middle East.
There is always fighting in the Middle East.
What do you suggest? Get rid of all of the Jews? Get rid of all of the Christians?
There would still be fighting in the Middle East.

Sure.
Get rid of everyone everywhere except for white, fat, southern baptists between the ages of 3 and 63.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by MamaJ

 

Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying. America allmost erradicated the Indians. Israel is erradicateing the Palestinians. And the world watches. As far as a rant about Israel. Israel is a shat hole. It's my opinion. What I don't like is the fact certain mods always invade threads. Is that meant to disrail. Or do yoy all just have nothing at freaking all to do? Sorry to those of you who don't see the parable. You probally the same ones that turm a blind eye toward a Palestinian child being blown to bits. It's a mute point to rant or argue over a shat hole nation like Israel. I hope their erradicated in due time.

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Originally posted by Logarock

Translated in english as Palestina, Philistia, Palestine.

It is used in biblical and other literature to mean all of historic Israel and.....important here.... in certain context all the nations of that area to include Israel, Juda, and their relations Amon, Edom and Moab. The people know today as "Palestinians" today are certainly of the last three nations which are of very old related to the Israelities.

JERUSALEM – Judah Ben Samuel was a legendary and prolific German rabbi of the 12th century who made some astonishing and specific predictions about the future of Jerusalem and Israel that came true.

Following the Christian crusades to the Holy Land, between 1096-1270, a regular correspondence developed between the Jews in the Holy Land and the Christian West. Thus, for example, the rabbis in Worms and Regensburg in Germany knew that Saladin’s Ayyubids had been ruling in the Holy Land since 1187.

At this time, Judah Ben Samuel published the results of his biblical calculations (Gematria) and astrological observations and summarized as follows: “When the Ottomans (Turks) – who were already a power to be reckoned with on the Bosporus in the time of Judah Ben Samuel – conquer Jerusalem they will rule over Jerusalem for eight jubilees. Afterwards Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one jubilee, and then in the ninth jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.”

One jubilee is 50 years (Leviticus 25). It is the 50th year after seven times seven years, the year in which each person should regain ownership of his or her land. Ben Samuel’s calculations were purely theoretical; there was absolutely no sign at that time of their being fulfilled. He himself was not able to experience their fulfillment, for it was only 300 years after his death that the first of his predictions were to come true.

The Mamluks, who had been reigning in Jerusalem since 1250, were conquered in 1517 by the Ottoman Turks. They remained for eight jubilees (8 x 50 = 400 years), that is to say they were in Jerusalem for 400 years. Exactly 400 years later, in 1917, the Ottoman Turks were conquered by the British. The League of Nations conferred the Mandate for the Holy Land and Jerusalem to the British. Thus, from 1917, under international law, Jerusalem was no-man’s land.

Then, when Israel captured Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967, exactly one jubilee (50 years) after 1917, Jerusalem reverted to Jewish-Israeli ownership once again. Thereby, according to the prophecies of Judah Ben Samuel, the Messianic End Times began.

But to recap the astonishing predictions: In AD 1217 this scholarly and pious rabbi prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight Jubilees. Now, keep in mind, he made this prediction 300 years before the Ottoman Turks seized control of Jerusalem in 1517. If indeed 1217 and 1517 were jubilee years as Judah Ben Samuel believed, then his prophecy was exactly right, because exactly 400 years after the Turks took control of Jerusalem they were driven out of the city and the holy land in 1917 by the Allied forces under the command of General George Allenby – on Hanukkah, by the way.

The Philistines were not Middle Eastern or Arab. The Philistines are believed to be an Aegean people (from the Adriatic sea near Greece.) who, in the 12th Century BC, settled along the Mediterranean coast of what is called the Gaza Strip.

The Moslem/ Arabs in that area started calling themselves “Palestinians” nearly 40 years ago. “Palestinian” refers to people who live in Palestine: Arabs (“Arabic speaking peoples”), Bedouins, Druze, Christians, and Jews. No people or nation ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land there is no Palestinian language or culture in past history.Palestine, as a country does not presently exist. No Arab nation has their historical roots on the land and no one have claim to this territory other than the Jews.

After the second Jewish revolt under Bar Cochba (A.D. 132-135) it is said the Roman emperor Hadrian renamed the land of Israel and Judea as Palastina ('Palestine') after the ancient enemies of the Jews - the Philistines. Because of his hatred of the Jews, it was meant to be an insult to dishonor them and remove their history. Hadrian built Aelia Capitolina, in the area of the destroyed Temple and dedicated it to Jupiter-Zeus demonstrating the supremacy of the Roman deities in Judea. He then forbid the Jews from entering.

The land kept this name until 1948 when the British Government gave up its mandate to partition Palestine between the Jews and the Arabs. The majority of the land was given to the Arabs. However, the Arabs refused this offer as they wanted ALL of the land and attacked Israel. Today Palestine is used like it was from its inception-as an anti Jewish term.

The name Palestine was adopted by the Moslem residents of the Holy Land and used for their advantage. “Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel... “ (Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head of the PLO and member of its Executive Council, Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977).

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by imagineering
I am native american, and I see nothing I can agree with in your post. Life has been great for me and my family. From what I have seen, life is what you make it and there really is no comparison with the two groups. The U.S. is not bombing nor oppressing native americans or vise versa. I can live where I want, we all can. I can work where I want and I go where I want. I see zero correlation.

Thats bs too, you can only speak for yourself personally. No one can speak for entire culture or race, impossible.

Maybe some natives felt oppressed, which is provable, while others didnt feel oppressed, which is also provable.

Originally posted by Sissel

None of them are forced to be there. I know for a fact. Many live and work outside of the rez, and earn decent incomes, and still do not pay federal or state income taxes, which is fine by me.

Originally posted by aniapi

Originally posted by Sissel

None of them are forced to be there. I know for a fact. Many live and work outside of the rez, and earn decent incomes, and still do not pay federal or state income taxes, which is fine by me.

No we are not forced to be here. Yes many do live and work outside of the rez and earn decent incomes. No we are not free from paying taxes. We pay federal income taxes but we do not pay state income taxes.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by Logarock

Translated in english as Palestina, Philistia, Palestine.

It is used in biblical and other literature to mean all of historic Israel and.....important here.... in certain context all the nations of that area to include Israel, Juda, and their relations Amon, Edom and Moab. The people know today as "Palestinians" today are certainly of the last three nations which are of very old related to the Israelities.

I think your history of how the region became known as Palestine is flawed. The Romans called it that as an insult the the Jews who called the land Israel. The Arabs in the region do not refer to themselves as Philistines at all. Prior to 1967 no one ever spoke of the Arabs living in Israel as Palestinians as if they were some separate people from the Arabs in Jordan, Syria or Lebanon. Most Jordanians are from said Arab groups and are not Hashemites who are the Royal Jordanian family who guarded the holy sites like Mecca.

The Arabs in Israel only started to call themselves Palestinians to try to make themselves appear to have a more legitimate claim to that land than the Jews. That whole region was called Palestine, thus all the Jews, Christians, and Arabs there are Palestinian.