Native American Indians & The People of Palestine......One in the same..And it's a damn shame.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


needless to say, decent OP.....good analogy.......but your content falls on deaf ears as usual.

Many here on ATS refuse to sympathize or see the real truth.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I can speak for my tribe for sure, I am that contected. And.....oh get this, I also know other tribes too. GASP! The comparison is full of empty imagination. Maybe 100 years ago or so the native american where oppressed but here in 2012? No way!! I love the hypocrisy in this thread that I cant speak for my group but that is exactly what the op is doing. SMH.com

For literally thousands of years countries have been conquered and had their land stolen. How far do we go back to give them their land back? Every single country would have to be restructured. Who decides the point in time that land was taken illegally? It has been over 70 years since Israel was created. Do we go back 70 years? Why not 4000 years? At some point it has to stop. Who decides? You?

First i thought, Israel have right to their land. Then i thought it´s so unfair to take land from the palestinians. Over the years im back to my first opinion and why that happened. I met a woman who lives in Israel and she said to me how her best friend was seriously injured by a car bomb when they were out shopping.
The best thing would be if they could all live in peace there, its seems to be unrealistic idea. Israel´s neighbour countries are all Islamic, so there is a pressure all around them, if they wish to have a place where to live they have to be strong, even the World doesn´t like it.

Why Israel has to stay strong...
Year 2002 was a dark year for Israel, 47 suicide attacks in one year. the year when Israel started to build security fence so they could keep themselves in safe. Now someone please tell me they do not have a right to protect themselves? Security barrier had reduced suicide attacks so its a safer now in the streets, even now there is these attacks couple times of year. Over 800 people have died in these attacks.
After such a tragic year of 2002 which is not so long ago, people in Israel still fears everyday, its a feeling which has stuck on their brains, who can blame them?

We so rapidly judge and forget the history why things are as they are. Who really owns the land? We are only visitors here.

Originally posted by imagineering
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I can speak for my tribe for sure, I am that contected. And.....oh get this, I also know other tribes too. GASP! The comparison is full of empty imagination. Maybe 100 years ago or so the native american where oppressed but here in 2012? No way!! I love the hypocrisy in this thread that I cant speak for my group but that is exactly what the op is doing. SMH.com

Both the OP and your posts are foolish, and by what authority do you speak for your tribe or other tribes you claim to know? What a joke.

You cannot speak for an entire group like this and expect to get a free pass.
At least prove they elected you as their official spokesperson.
That would be sufficient validation in theory.

reply to post by MamaJ


Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying. America allmost erradicated the Indians. Israel is erradicateing the Palestinians. And the world watches. As far as a rant about Israel. Israel is a shat hole. It's my opinion. What I don't like is the fact certain mods always invade threads. Is that meant to disrail. Or do yoy all just have nothing at freaking all to do? Sorry to those of you who don't see the parable. You probally the same ones that turm a blind eye toward a Palestinian child being blown to bits. It's a mute point to rant or argue over a shat hole nation like Israel. I hope their erradicated in due time.

Originally posted by imagineering
I am native american, and I see nothing I can agree with in your post. Life has been great for me and my family. From what I have seen, life is what you make it and there really is no comparison with the two groups. The U.S. is not bombing nor oppressing native americans or vise versa. I can live where I want, we all can. I can work where I want and I go where I want. I see zero correlation.

First of all, if you were born in the US, you are de facto native american, which does not necessarily make you an American Indian. Second, perhaps you should do some research into your origins and learn how the indigenous peoples were impacted by the arrival of Europeans (if you care).

As for the Palestinians, after 60 plus years of ethnic cleansing, you apparently don't even see what's currently hidden in plain sight by a complicit MSM, much less have any historical knowledge of that area.

Life is what you make it when soldiers aren't massacring your family for not getting the he!! out of the way of progress fast enough.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


I don't appreciate your comparison one bit.

Unlike the Palestinians, the NAs have been ignored by decades by the very people who have rushed to the cause of the Palestinians.

reply to post by papazen


There is a difference....

An invader and a domestic abuser...


Which would make you feel more angry?

* Your family/friends killed by a Muslim Terrorist.. or

* Your family/friends killed by your neighbor named bob?



You have the "they do it to themselves, so why can't we?" attitude. Few still use the same reason for slavery "black had slaves their own people as slaves, so why can't we?" . get it?

Here is the difference, and I feel qualified to talk about this since I live in the desert southwest, and have friends that are Native American:

Native Americans have diplomatic immunity while they live on reservations. Do Palestinians?
Native Americans do not have to file income taxes. Do Palestinians file taxes?
Native Americans get free health care. Do Palestinians?
Native Americans are helped with housing. Are Palestinians getting this?
Native Americans get free education. Do Palestinians................

The list could go on, and on........

No comparison at all, whatsoever!

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
I am not going into an anti Israel rant with this post. I'm against the sheer oppression of people. Irregardless of who they are. I detest Israel and all that nation stands for. They are the number one reason there's no peace in the Middle East. Israel want ever let there be peace.

The people of Palestine are just like the Native American Indians. Forced off their lands. Forced into a christian name and christian doctrine of doing things ( supposedly because it was the right way). Paleistinians are just being crushed. We allmost erradicated those savage American Indians, Israel is to the point of erradicateing the Paleistinians. The Indians lived off the land... The palestinians eat anything they can, as Israel has them locked down like a prison.

The simularities are scary. I'm sick of Israel. I'm sick of their whine. I'm sick of their lies. I'm sick of their lack of moral character toward any one. Hey" Israel... Your crap dooe stink, I can smell it all the way here in N.C.
If the world keeps letting this nation get away with the crimes they gey away with, when they turn that erradication eye toward us... what will we do? Trust me.If you don't think Israel would nuke us back to the stone ages if we got in their way.. You have been living under a rock.

I would suppose the Palestinians would end up with a few roadside stands and a casino or two in that mecca called The Middle East. American Indians & People of Palestine... One in the same on that road to erradication.
Israel is the " Great Satan" the Muslims claim them to be. Their actions present and past paint that picture. All the amount of whining and story changing aint gonna work for them any more. The world see's you for what you really are Israel. " A war mongering nation, filled with a hate filled populace" To the people of Palestine. I will burn some sage for you tonight... as I ask that your burden be lifted and the evil that haunts you all goes away.Peace. OYM1262

edit on 20-11-2012 by openyourmind1262 because: (no reason given)

Not exactly. The palistinians are muslims sent to occupy and live in israel way way back from surrounding countries. They weren't there originally. Origianlly it was all Jewish, all israelee held. Where as the indians were here pretty much since day one. Other than maybe the odd encounter they might have had with sumarians and vikings and maybe chinese before the columbus arrived.

MODS, I think this thread should be deleted. Now there is a pissing match between races here, people who think they know better attempting to boast over people who are in subject trying to diffuse this supposed U.S. oppression on native americans. Then when someone who is actually native american, Rainy River Band, tries to disagree they get shot down WOW!!

Racially charged thread. And now memebers here are calling me foolish? Thats stepping over the lines of the T and C's.

reply to post by luciddream


Oh really? I think you need to watch a documentary about chimp wars. They take everything and rip other chimps genitals off so they don't get raped if they lose.

wrong.

the palestinians are not the same as American indians. you may believe they are being treated the same way but to say the "are the same" is idiotic. its more realistic to say the palestinians and israelis are actually the same, but that's probably way over your young head.

Nice try, but Native Americans where treated like dogs back in the day. Now they're doing alright for themselves.

Originally posted by Sissel
Here is the difference, and I feel qualified to talk about this since I live in the desert southwest, and have friends that are Native American:

Native Americans have diplomatic immunity while they live on reservations. Do Palestinians?
Native Americans do not have to file income taxes. Do Palestinians file taxes?
Native Americans get free health care. Do Palestinians?
Native Americans are helped with housing. Are Palestinians getting this?
Native Americans get free education. Do Palestinians................

The list could go on, and on........

No comparison at all, whatsoever!

Living in the desert southwest and knowing some Indians isn't quite the same thing as living on a reservation and being forced to live as a ward of the federal government, is it?

(Russell) Means once said, "Every policy now the Palestinians are enduring was practiced on the American Indians."

"What the American Indian Movement says is that the American Indians are the Palestinians of the United States, and the Palestinians are the American Indians of Europe."

He called Indian lands open air concentration camps, saying:

"If you chose to stay on the reservation, you are guaranteed to be poor, unless you are part of the colonial apparatus set up by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, set up the United States."

As for immunity?

Means was born on November 10, 1939 in Wanblee, SD, on the Pine Ridge Oglala Lakota Sioux Indian Reservation. With Dennis Banks and Leonard Peltier, he participated in the 1973 Wounded Knee siege and tragedy.

For 71 days, they and other AIM activists held off hundreds off FBI thugs, federal marshals, National Guard troops, and complicit Indian vigilantes. They were called "GOONS (Guardians of Our Oglala Nation)." They sold out for whatever benefits they got in return.

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

I'll take his first hand experience over your claim, mmmmkay?

RIP, Russell Means.

David Cameron once referred to Gaza as a "prison camp" and "some sort of open-air prison". 1.7million Palestinians are crammed into just 140 square miles; Gaza is one of the most crowded places on earth.

www.republicbroadcasting.org...

reply to post by JDmOKI


Did one of the chimps have access to guns?

Some fight are fought with unbalanced power. Nukes vs Bows and arrows?

You can't call that Darwinian. No fighting chance. A total wipe out.


Like i mentioned, i can't kill all the ants in my backyard and call it Darwinism.

Originally posted by frazzle

Living in the desert southwest and knowing some Indians isn't quite the same thing as living on a reservation and being forced to live as a ward of the federal government, is it?

None of them are forced to be there. I know for a fact. Many live and work outside of the rez, and earn decent incomes, and still do not pay federal or state income taxes, which is fine by me. Don't make it sound like they don't have the best of two worlds, because they do. It's how they choose to use this luxury, most Americans don't have the luxury of. Most assuredly something Palestinians are not able to enjoy.

(Russell) Means once said, "Every policy now the Palestinians are enduring was practiced on the American Indians."

"What the American Indian Movement says is that the American Indians are the Palestinians of the United States, and the Palestinians are the American Indians of Europe."

He called Indian lands open air concentration camps, saying:

"If you chose to stay on the reservation, you are guaranteed to be poor, unless you are part of the colonial apparatus set up by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, set up the United States."

As for immunity?

Means was born on November 10, 1939 in Wanblee, SD, on the Pine Ridge Oglala Lakota Sioux Indian Reservation. With Dennis Banks and Leonard Peltier, he participated in the 1973 Wounded Knee siege and tragedy.

For 71 days, they and other AIM activists held off hundreds off FBI thugs, federal marshals, National Guard troops, and complicit Indian vigilantes. They were called "GOONS (Guardians of Our Oglala Nation)." They sold out for whatever benefits they got in return.

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

I'll take his first hand experience over your claim, mmmmkay?

RIP, Russell Means.

David Cameron once referred to Gaza as a "prison camp" and "some sort of open-air prison". 1.7million Palestinians are crammed into just 140 square miles; Gaza is one of the most crowded places on earth.

www.republicbroadcasting.org...


You have it ll wrong. Once again, absolutely no comparison.

reply to post by Sissel

None of them are forced to be there. I know for a fact. Many live and work outside of the rez, and earn decent incomes, and still do not pay federal or state income taxes, which is fine by me. Don't make it sound like they don't have the best of two worlds, because they do. It's how they choose to use this luxury, most Americans don't have the luxury of. Most assuredly something Palestinians are not able to enjoy.

Well, its a fact that the federal government decided to "encourage" people on the rez to assimilate back in the 70s ~ to give up their native cultures and traditions to become second class citizens in the general population. There's a pile of them that gave it a try and many still are trying, like in Minneapolis, where they have their own little enclaves, although many have returned to the reservations.

I do get a kick out of people who brag how the Indians get all that free federal health care but are so adament that they don't want it for themselves. And with good reason.

chronic under funding of IHS, and in its regulation heavy bureaucracy both of which give rise to the sobering fact that at 1,642 per 100,000 people, the death rate for Na tive Americans in South Dakota is the highest of any race or ethnic group in the U.S., according to 2007 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention numbers.

www.lakotacountrytimes.com...

The grass is always greener, hey?

The history of the world is a history of migrations of people.

Often violence is associated with these migrations.

The winners write the history, the losers fade away.