A quick question for communists before bed...

Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by Unrealised

 

Why is it anti-freedom? Give us all your sick answer.

This is what makes me laugh... You have told everyone why it is against freedom! You want to control what people can and cant buy! You even say they don't deserve life! So I guess you will kill anyone that you deem "greedy"... How can you not see that it is against freedom? In fact it is complete tyranny...

You've misunderstood everything that I've said.



I'm not posting anymore in this thread, nor am I returning to see what you pathetic, pre-school-brained money-magnets have to say about it all.

I hope your Santa Clause Government is seen by you for what it is, very soon.

Originally posted by Unrealised


I've stated what makes communism works, and I also stated that I wouldn't really go on about it, especially to the Borg.

Number of people that died as a result of communists:

65 million in the People’s Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America

Yes, communism seems to have worked very nicely.

Originally posted by curme

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by mee30

 

Why would people strive to become a Doctor if another person who is just sorting out the Doctors Rx's in the office would get the same pay?

Um, I don't know. Maybe to save people's lives?

If only people were so altruistic! LOL! Split Infinity

reply to post by Unrealised

Do you love any ailments you get? Do you love your viruses? When you get a cold, do you sing to it?

You are comparing people making voluntary mutually beneficial transactions to health issues? What are you on?

I do not love capitalists, because you defend your society, one that traps you with propaganda that is (somehow) too hard for you to see through.

EH? Clearly you have read none of what I have written at all... Defend society? What society are you talking about? Are you talking about the current system we have now? Are you kidding me? It is not even capitalism right now! I have already explained that to you but of course you do not read what I write... You are a hypocrite! Just like people point to USSR as failed communism YOU point to our current system as failed capitalism!

Tell me, if we are under capitalism how come banks got "bailed out"? Please enlighten me! Or can we both agree that we do not have capitalism and that USSR did not have communism?

I've stated what makes communism works, and I also stated that I wouldn't really go on about it, especially to the Borg.

No you haven't at all lol... If that is your explanation then I know why people do not pick it up... If you do not want to go on about it then you are free to leave...

To be honest I wish you would as you are worse than anok and he is pretty bad...

So yes, grasp it, if you can.

lol... I will try, i will try, i will try

reply to post by mee30

I am in the Music Industry as well as run several Family Owned Companies. I have seen it all as far as how people can or cannot work doing a wide variety of things under the influence of Alcohol, Drugs, Pills and Pot. Pot although not necessarily dangerous to use as long as you are not driving...has a very specific effect on a persons DRIVE and WORK ETHIC.

After someone smokes a JOINT...the LAST THING they want to do is either do Hard Manual Labor or Achieve Solutions to Complex Work Related Problems or Strategies. A person is more apt to look at either scenario after smoking and say...F#@% IT! Let's go get some Ice Cream! LOL!

With the exception to GETTING INTO THE ZONE after smoking POT and then playing a VIDEO GAME...there are not many other activities that this person would be up to the task. Split Infinity

reply to post by Unrealised

You've misunderstood everything that I've said. I'm not posting anymore in this thread, nor am I returning to see what you pathetic, pre-school-brained money-magnets have to say about it all. I hope your Santa Clause Government is seen by you for what it is, very soon.

Allow me to quote you...

"As for people who are greedy, and want ferraris and mansions, these people are sick. They have a disgusting view of the world, and are not fit to live a true life based on the love of their fellow man and the drive for sentient growth."

Your words my friend...

I'm not posting anymore in this thread, nor am I returning to see what you pathetic, pre-school-brained money-magnets have to say about it all.

You have come in here throwing a little fit and insulting people with petty name calling and then have the balls to write THIS?

Any way good riddance...

I hope your Santa Clause Government is seen by you for what it is, very soon.

This is just too funny! You are talking to an anarchist about government?

I think there may be a misunderstanding of what Unrealised has been saying.

The Communism you know or think of is not the purest form of Communism and does not reflect the ideology as is it should be in a perfect application.

There would be no need for money, as all needs are taken care of. You have food, water, clothing and housing. In return, you are asked to apply your specific skills where they are most useful Those that love to farm, farm.....those that are skilled in medicine...practice medicine.

It goes on and on.

Sadly, Communism is similar to Capitalism in that it's simplest and most effective state has never been realized. Well, it has, but that's only in Star Trek shows.

So I think we need to take it upon ourselves to become educated on the matter before we rush to such rash judgement on those in favor of Communism.

reply to post by SplitInfinity

I am in the Music Industry as well as run several Family Owned Companies. I have seen it all as far as how people can or cannot work doing a wide variety of things under the influence of Alcohol, Drugs, Pills and Pot. Pot although not necessarily dangerous to use as long as you are not driving...has a very specific effect on a persons DRIVE and WORK ETHIC.

Well being in the music industry you should know what drugs have done for the arts, especially pot... I think you would be hard pushed finding people that don't do anything, lol... Yet the world still turns... How do you explain my friend? He works 16 hour days, he makes a lot of moeny, before this job he used to sell pot...

After someone smokes a JOINT...the LAST THING they want to do is either do Hard Manual Labor or Achieve Solutions to Complex Work Related Problems or Strategies. A person is more apt to look at either scenario after smoking and say...F#@% IT! Let's go get some Ice Cream! LOL!

Can I ask you how often have you smoked it? Also do you know that there are 2 distinct types or groups of pot? (actually 3 but one is useless to the average pot smoker). You have sativa which is a mind kind of high and indica which is the body buzz effect. I do agree that pot CAN make you lazy, but it is like saying having 5 beers WILL get you totaled... For some it might be true, but for me you would notice no difference after 5 beers...

I have smoked during many (maybe all) the jobs I've had, it never bothered me... All people are different.

With the exception to GETTING INTO THE ZONE after smoking POT and then playing a VIDEO GAME...there are not many other activities that this person would be up to the task. Split Infinity

So many cliches lol... As I've said I've smoked at all my jobs and been fine, no-one has ever noticed or punished me for smoking pot at work. Well actually there was one time I got told to move further away from the shop (plumbers trade counter not just a beep beep checkout lol) because the smell was drifting in... Oh the good old days... I still got my work done and people loved being served by me because I would go the extra mile and make up fittings for them out of all sorts of things...

You also failed to answer my last very important question there... A brewer making alcohol kills people and causes all sorts of social and economic problems yet it is okay.. pot doesn't have those issues yet it is banned... You really think that's okay?

reply to post by sheepslayer247

I think there may be a misunderstanding of what Unrealised has been saying. The Communism you know or think of is not the purest form of Communism and does not reflect the ideology as is it should be in a perfect application.

Please show me what part I misunderstood? You do not know my understanding of communism! Do you?

There would be no need for money, as all needs are taken care of. You have food, water, clothing and housing. In return, you are asked to apply your specific skills where they are most useful Those that love to farm, farm.....those that are skilled in medicine...practice medicine.

Look you can't just say all needs would be taken care of... What would fairies bring it all to us or what? I'm not being funny with you I am serious... I actually do think we can have a convo here unlike with the other chap...

So any way, those that are not very skilled?

Sadly, Communism is similar to Capitalism in that it's simplest and most effective state has never been realized. Well, it has, but that's only in Star Trek shows.

Well at least YOU admit that and are not all "capitalists are sick and should die" lol

How do you feel about my idea? Free market of philosophy? Anything goes bar tyranny... No force can be used against anyone unless it is in self defense... Surely by doing that we would end up with the best philosophy no?

So I think we need to take it upon ourselves to become educated on the matter before we rush to such rash judgement on those in favor of Communism.

Wow there buddy boy... What are you talking about? What "rash judgement" The only person "judging" is your comrade who you made excuses for! Actually having the cheek to put it down to MY misunderstanding... But this is the last straw...

You make assumptions about what I know... Let me tell you, you are not saying anything that I have not heard before, in fact you have said little of anything...

Let me just ask you... Do you see communism working without using force? If so would it require everyone to be like angels?

reply to post by mee30


its easy, if you want a ferrari, you go to the makers and say i will give you this if you give me that ferrari. if he accepts u make the trade, if he declines, you walk away or make a counter offer, if he makes a counter offer you accept or walk away, or make another counter offer.

Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by mee30

 

its easy, if you want a ferrari, you go to the makers and say i will give you this if you give me that ferrari. if he accepts u make the trade, if he declines, you walk away or make a counter offer, if he makes a counter offer you accept or walk away, or make another counter offer.

Except ferrari makers would never do business like that, which shows how unrealistic communism is. It also wouldn't work because you can't evenly distribute an item to the thousands of employees that made the ferrari, but you can do so with money.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Oh and one more thing, this thread has strayed heavily from it's original premise. I wanted examples of companies that work the communistic way... One example would be great, just to see how it works... If you can not find one then why the hell haven't the communists (people that preach a lot about coming together) actually DONE IT and show us all how it is done? What gives? If they can't even do it how can they convince others it is the way forward?

And I presume profits for the people working there would be sky high and everyone would want that job thus eventually everyone WOULD have that job, right?

So this is my main point and what I wanted to discuss...

Originally posted by Unrealised
Sorry, but you have no idea how real, structured communism works.
Real communism doesn't have any need for money.
The work is done either because it needs to be done, or because one has a passion for it.
You won't find any true communist business in this capitalist filth-pit of a society.
It would be like trying to sell gold to a man who only loves dirt.
The love for a certain career is at the heart of true communism.
No longer would a person become a doctor because their parents pushed them into it, or because it pays well.
No, it would only attract people who have a true passion for it, and this would weed out the weak-skilled.
I won't go on about this, because ATS is famous for bashing communists.
It's happened to me before.
Just enjoy your propaganda, left over from the cold-war.
I have no energy for trying to convert the capitalist Borg.
Capitalism is a world-wide disease, and it's killing the innate human love for life.

You are free to feel and talk however you wish about communism. This is what makes america great. But this is besides my point. I have an idea, since you are so in love with communism, (Nothing smart or nasty here.) have you researched communistic countries to look for perhaps a new home. Obviously you are not happy with a capitalist society. Maybe you could make a list of pros and cons for each of your choices. I would be extremely interested in hearing about your entire adventure. Moving from a capitalist to communistic society is a pretty major move. You could write a book even.

Edited to add... Oh wait a minute. Will they allow you to write a book about this? Maybe you should pick one that will?

reply to post by DocHolidaze


As a one off transaction it can work, but can you imagine the trading you would need to do to get all the parts for the ferrari? lol... Then the other guy would have to trade something else substantial like maybe a house or something and that house would be built from many materials which too would all have to be bartered for... It would be too confusing and time consuming to make all the trades... But for simple things it's okay, and is still used on occasion today. people trade cd's and dvd's and games etc all the time.

Also the chap above gave some other good reasons.

Originally posted by elouina

You are free to feel and talk however you wish about communism. This is what makes america great.

He actually lives in Australia.

I suppose I shouldn't be responding because I am not a communist. I am not a socialist either. I really think our present system of the economy sucks in this country though. Everything filters up to the top. A person starting a small business works real hard and winds up spending all their money on the business. In the end his equipment is obsolete and worth little. Noone gets truly ahead except the five percent at the top.

So I suppose anyone who does not agree with you is considered a communist?

reply to post by elouina

You are free to feel and talk however you wish about communism. This is what makes america great. But this is besides my point. I have an idea, since you are so in love with communism, (Nothing smart or nasty here.) have you researched communistic countries to look for perhaps a new home. Obviously you are not happy with a capitalist society. Maybe you could make a list of pros and cons for each of your choices. I would be extremely interested in hearing about your entire adventure. Moving from a capitalist to communistic society is a pretty major move. You could write a book even.

That does sound like a fantastic idea but he would counter that there is no true communism and he is probably right there, even if he does ignore the fact that there is no true capitalism either. lol

Why can't we have a free market of philosophy though? Why do people always have to move when they disagree with the majority?

Originally posted by rickymouse
I suppose I shouldn't be responding because I am not a communist. I am not a socialist either. I really think our present system of the economy sucks in this country though. Everything filters up to the top. A person starting a small business works real hard and winds up spending all their money on the business. In the end his equipment is obsolete and worth little. Noone gets truly ahead except the five percent at the top.

That's because of corporatism not capitalism.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by elouina

You are free to feel and talk however you wish about communism. This is what makes america great.

He actually lives in Australia.

Well then I suppose this makes Australia pretty decent in the free speech dept. also. Where he was from wasn't important. It is where he will be going. This would be a pretty neat project. I am happy to see anyone attain their dream.

reply to post by rickymouse

I suppose I shouldn't be responding because I am not a communist. I am not a socialist either. I really think our present system of the economy sucks in this country though. Everything filters up to the top. A person starting a small business works real hard and winds up spending all their money on the business. In the end his equipment is obsolete and worth little. Noone gets truly ahead except the five percent at the top.

Couldn't agree more, I am a BIG opposer of our current system (which is not capitalism btw)... I oppose the system so much I didn't even "register" my son with the state... I am an anarchist...

So I suppose anyone who does not agree with you is considered a communist?

Wow, you start off with common sense then end with this? What on earth gave you that impression?