Gangs Of Muslim Men Are Going Round And Raping White Kids In UK

I live in a place called Govanhill we are literary surrounded by Muslims. And as far as i can see they havent raped any of our children. They would be tarred and feathered then burned at the lamp post if they did so. Now i do know that the things they do to there own children defy the belief of most UK citizens but thats another story. Most Muslims here tend to keep there selfs to there selfs because of the arcanic senseless religious dogmas that they hold so dear to there souls.

This seems like hate mongering to me IMHO of course!

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Tsom87

Originally posted by stirling
You get what you pay for, and reap what you sow.......
The Britain that conquered 3/4 of the world and spawned more than one modern nation, has to pay for its
top time ........Now their chickens have come home to roost they must learn to totally live along side of these peoples....rather than as conquerors......its called the karmic wheel, and it keeps on spinning for everyone....
From a spiritual/justice point of view, it highly appropriate.......IMHO.

Ah! Nothing like being pro-underage-rape! Let me guess, you also have well-principled stances on why it's ok to kill people who don't agree with you?

SOURCE
The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), the government concluded after investigation that of known suspects since 2008:

38% were white

32% recorded as an unknown ethnicity

26% were Asian

3% were African American

less than 1% Chinese

2.1% of UK population is of Indian or Pakistani origin, so with these figures, 26% of young sex crimes by a 2.1% of a population, states that its is a problem that needs looking into.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Poor people (like most immigrants are!) always have higher crime rates.

Poverty makes a minority group 13 times more likely to commit sex crimes against children?

Who knew?

Originally posted by andy06shake
I live in a place called Govanhill we are literary surrounded by Muslims. And as far as i can see they havent raped any of our children. They would be tarred and feathered and burned at the lamp post if they did so. Now i do know that the things they do to there own children defy the belief of most UK citizens but thats another story. Most Muslims here tend to keep there selfs to there selfs because of the arcanic senseless religious dogmas that they hold so dear to there souls.

This seems like hate mongering to me IMHO of course!

edit on 17-11-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)

I've an Oldham postcode (though just outside of Oldham) and am only a couple of miles from Rochdale. I'd be lying to say there was no 'racial' tension here at all, especially as a main road only yards away serves as a dividing line for a kind of 'no go' area. However, there's nothing like what's been happening on the Rochdale end happening here in my town. It's mainly a gang thing and something that seems to have spread into the gyms and mixed martial arts clubs.

On the other hand, a few miles in the other direction, in the town I grew up in, there's been a serious problem with East European people trafficking. So, yes, there's problems with immigration and different cultures rubbing up against each other locally, but it doesn't appear to be a 'Muslims are rapists' problem. Not entirely sure how it will all pan-out.

Where I live has been an Asian area since the 1970s, albeit a Hindu one with many refugees from the expulsion of Asians from Africa in the early 1970s. From what I understand, despite the numbers involved, there wasn't any kind of multicultural conflict here, despite transforming/dominating local businesses. It was only when this demographic themselves became usurped by a Pakistani Muslim population that things changed. Possibly because the local area was sympathetic to the plight of Hindu refugees and welcomed their almost fanaticism regarding integration. I think, rightly or wrongly, people see Muslims are economic migrants, 'benefit scroungers' and so on and, combined with the vocal nature of radical Muslims (which doesn't really have a parallel with the Hindu community) people can view them with suspicion.

I've said this before on here, whilst many on the right of the political spectrum see immigration as a problem created by the left (as if New Labour were somehow a left wing party), the reality is that if it wasn't due to obligations created by the British Empire so beloved of the Tories (and Old Labour didn't get into power until 1924, some years after the British Empire 'golden age' had waned). The influx of Caribbeans in the 1950s was due to obligations of the Commonwealth and free movement between Commonwealth countries and similarly Asian immigration is owed to the Empire and the creation of the Pakistani and Indian partition. 'British India' is definitely not a Labour or 'leftie' concept.

reply to post by Unity_99


It wont pay Muslim men to touch British girls as I have heard that parents have decided to find the Muslims and chop a certain part of there body off when they get there hands on them, 1000's of parents are acting on this idea all over Europe.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
I spent 2 weeks in Bradford...probably one of the most strongest Muslim/Indian communities in the UK. Never had a problem.

Dude, I might recommend, before trying to argue against official statistics, you check your own facts. First of all, Indian and Muslim are not synonymous, in fact quite the opposite. It also calls into question the credibility of your testimony when you can't make the relatively simple distinction.

Bradford has an almost negligible Indian population, but 17%+ are Muslim, mostly Pakistani. If you can't tell the difference between a Pakistani and an Indian, that is surely a sign of racism itself and certainly puts you on shaky ground when trying to argue against official statistics.

I will also point out that most Indian immigrants are actually quite wealthy, contrary to your previous assertion, while the Pakistani's are usually quite poor.

Now, this is a problem that has managed to stay under the radar for quite a few years, but it has been noted even during Labour's tenure and even commented upon by former Home Sec Jack Straw. There is a sizeable chunk of Pakistani men in these area's who see it as "OK" to abuse white girls as they are seen as beneath them. Dozens of men have already been charged and imprisoned over several separate sex ring cases.

This has to be indicative of some kind of problem within the community (specifically around Rochdale, Bradford etc) and will not go away simply by "giving them time" to "get used" to living in the West. That is an epically poor argument and I cannot believe you would defend such groups as just "failing to integrate". It is symptomatic of the cultural ideals they subscribe too, ie; non-muslims are worth nothing and can be treated as such.

Unfortunately, our own Social Services also had a similiar view years ago when they learned of the sex rings, in that the girls had made a "lifestyle choice" in being with these men, when in reality they were picked up off the streets, intoxicated and then passed around like objects. This only helped to embolden the offenders and allow them to continue for years.

Even now, Police investigations are continuing into even more sex rings, once again it seems made up of Muslim men abusing specifically white girls, once again in the same area Surely you cannot deny that these is something fundamentally wrong within the local communities to allow such a concentration of offences to take place and ALL within a specific racial and religious grouping against another, specific racial group.

If this was white men rounding up young black girls, plying them with drink and shagging them I think your tune would be wildly different and how it is a sign of the decadent and moral decay of Western society.......

Originally posted by openeyeswideshut
Sounds like the PM is trying to pull out a race card for some reason. Notice when he mentions that the majority of child abusers are white, then goes on straight away to say that something needs to be done about the muslems abusing white kids. He is simply trying to get a reaction out of a certian population of britians citizens.

First of all, it was an MP, not the PM. Two different things.

Secondly, it's his duty as an MP to raise such matters for debate and then the House can decide if there is a wider issue worth investigating. Surely it would be far worse to sweep such a thing under the rug? All that does is fuel racial tension. By bringing it out into the open and forcing communities to look into this, the problem caused by a minority can be rooted out.

Originally posted by stumason
Bradford has an almost negligible Indian population, but 17%+ are Muslim, mostly Pakistani. If you can't tell the difference between a Pakistani and an Indian, that is surely a sign of racism itself and certainly puts you on shaky ground when trying to argue against official statistics.

To be fair, Stu, whilst I agree with your other points, I couldn't tell the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani by sight either. Not all Muslim wear a hijab, burkha or a kurta and pajamas even where I live. Considering that before the partition they all came from the same place and shared genetics, they look more or less identical to the untrained eye.

Also, and to keep this more pertinent to the OP, from what I understand, the Muslims in question didn't dress to Muslim tradition. But maybe because it's a bit parky up here along the edge of the Pennines, I don't know. Everyone I see coming back from the Mosque in 'traditional' dress always seems to be shivering themselves to death.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
We have crazy politicians too in the UK

He's our equivalent of the US's Louie Gohmert...aka, he's a complete and utter clown.

He is a Conservative MP and he told the truth.

It is sad that you feel political correctness is more important than protecting children from sexual abuse.

reply to post by HumanObserver
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So what are your thoughts on this subject ?

This isn't just something that groups of Muslim men are doing, these types of crimes are also being committed by groups of so call ''upstanding men'' too many of who are white,

this is exactly the type of propaganda that the nazis used to make germans believe it was acceptable to kill all Jews, I really hope people start to wake up and see what is going on around them instead of just accepting everything they are told otherwise we are all screwed, no matter what your colour or religion or so on is

Here's a story that hasn't gone mainstream, its about a college in Oxford, UK, and its about white school teachers abusing school pupils and absolutely NOTHING is being done to stop it even though the police and government are aware of it, it appears the only Muslim teacher at the college is the one trying to protect the white youngsters even though his life is being made extremely difficult for doing so, see link

www.ukcolumn.org...

This sort of evil behaviour is happening on daily basis but most of it is covered up, yet when its a religous group or immigrants that have commited the crimes its well covered on the news,

Originally posted by Minnie1985

this is exactly the type of propaganda that the nazis used to make germans believe it was acceptable to kill all Jews, I really hope people start to wake up and see what is going on around them instead of just accepting everything they are told otherwise we are all screwed, no matter what your colour or religion or so on is

Let's try a thought experiment and apply typical Politically Correct 'logic' to the Nazis.

"It is racist and bigoted to blame the Germans for killing Jews. Only a small minority of Germans were in the Nazi party and only a very small minority of Nazis were ever involved in killing Jews. In fact, less than 0.001% of Germans were involved in killing Jews. To speak of Germans killing Jews is bigoted and racist."

Isn't that the torturous logic that the politically correct throw out every day?

Yet you have the irony to invoke the example of Germans killing Jews to support the suppression of the fact that Muslim men are 15 times more likely to sexually abuse (white) children and that rings of them exist doing exactly that?

It is sad that some people think political correctness is more important that stopping children from being sexually abused.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


Maybe it's just me, but I've spent quite a bit of time amongst Indians and Pakistani's, there is a definate visual difference, just like you can tell the difference between a Frenchman and an Englishman, or a German... I don't know, but I am pretty good at telling where people are from based solely on their looks.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

This is kind stupid. Xenophobes at it again.

I'm also against statements of blatant ignorance like that one.

Hold your horses. You are not only accusing an MP of xenophobia you are also accusing a British Judge.

Judge Gerald Clifton who ruled in the Rochdale child sex trial, in which a gang of over 40 Muslim men sexually abused as many as 47 white girls, made it clear that part of the reason why the Muslim gang preyed on the white girls was because they were of a different 'community and religion'.

With experts on paedophilia insisting street grooming by Muslim men was a real problem, the judge made it clear he believed religion was a factor.

He jailed the 59-year-old ringleader for 19 years and eight other men for between four and 12 years, telling them they had treated their victims ‘as though they were worthless and beyond all respect’.

He added: ‘I believe one of the factors which led to that is that they were not of your community or religion.’

However, the gang's ringleader yesterday branded the judge a 'racist b******' after he and eight other men were jailed.

The extraordinary outburst came after Judge Gerald Clinton accused the gang of targeting white girls because they were not part of their ‘community or religion’.

Daily Mail

Perhaps you should tell Judge Gerald Clifton that he is a xenophobe?

Good luck with that.

reply to post by ollncasino


If they weren't muslim men, do you think their religion, or ethnicitiy would have been reported?

I don't think it would have been.

~Tenth

reply to post by ollncasino

"It is racist and bigoted to blame the Germans for killing Jews. Only a small minority of Germans were in the Nazi party and only a very small minority of Nazis were ever involved in killing Jews. In fact, less than 0.001% of Germans were involved in killing Jews. To speak of Germans killing Jews is bigoted and racist."

wow, i'm absolutely amazed that this is how you've taken my comment as this isn't what i meant at all, you've literally reworded it completely and made me out to be racist, at what point did I ever say ALL germans were involved? this is exactly why i find it hard to contribute to forums as i'm always worried that i'll upset someone without the intention of doing so, i should have said ''this is how the nazis managed to brainwash a small minority of the german people'', yet this is exactly my point about muslims rapists, they too are a very small minority of the muslim community and they in no way represent the feelings of you're average muslim,

Yet you have the irony to invoke the example of Germans killing Jews to support the suppression of the fact that Muslim men are 15 times more likely to sexually abuse (white) children and that rings of them exist doing exactly that?

how was i supporting the supression of awareness regarding muslim rapists by using and example of propaganda that led to innocent jews being murdered? you also seemed to miss the point i was making regarding the media coverage of muslim rapists, it should be brought to our attention, but not because they are muslim but because the crime they committed is immoral and sick on every level,

but WHY are cases such as the one in the link i posted to you not also making HEADLINE NEWS?

have you ever considered that the statistics you are using may not be accurate? 54% of rapes and sexual assault are never even reported to the police so how can you possibly say that muslim men are 15 times more likely to commit this type of assault when you don't have the full stats?

It is sad that some people think political correctness is more important that stopping children from being sexually abused.

again, please point out where in my original reply i said this?

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by ollncasino

 

If they weren't muslim men, do you think their religion, or ethnicitiy would have been reported?

I don't think it would have been.

~Tenth

edit on 11/17/2012 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

As much as you want to pretend race has nothing to do with this, Judge Gerald Clifton who presided in the Rochdale child-sex trial, disagrees with you.

Judge Gerald Clifton stated that part of the reason why girls aged 13 to 15 were targeted and sexually abused by the Muslim sex abuse gang was because they were not Muslim girls.

Do you think that the judge is a xenophobe?

reply to post by Minnie1985


I have done some extensive digging on the claims surrounding Oxford and Cherwell Valley College and I cannot find anything, anywhere, aside from the UK Column website and some other obscure right wing sites . which is odd if there was genuine claims. Not even a single arrest, which is odd should the claims even have the tiniest snippet of truth.

Given that plenty of white paedo rings have been smashed before, it would be odd they would ocver up this one, should it even exist.

I also find it odd that they do not wish to name the apparently Muslim man who blew the whistle, yet they show a picture of him, which to me doesn't even look like a Muslim at all, but rather a Sikh....

Now, I have never heard of this "UK Column" until you linked it and reading through their stories does betray a somewhat right-wing, anti-Government/establishment tinge to their reporting, not to mention the rather liberal use of facts and spin in said articles.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but alarm bells are ringing that call into question the veracity of the story you linked..

Interestingly, it mentions Operation Bullfinch which has actually netted a ring of 9 Muslim men in Oxfordshire for child sex trafficking....

The nine men are: Kamar Jamil, 27, from Aldrich Road, Summertown; Mohammed Karrar, 38, of Cowley Road, East Oxford; Bassan Karrar, 33, of no fixed address; Akhtar Dogar, 31, of Tawney Street, East Oxford; Zeshan Ahmed, 27, of Palmer Road, Wood Farm; Balel Ahmed, 25, of no fixed address; Mohammed Hussain, 24, of Horspath Road, Cowley; Assad Hussain, 31, of Ashurst Way, Rose Hill, Oxford; Anjun Dogar, 30, of Tawney Street, East Oxford.

Oxford Mail

reply to post by ollncasino


My comments were directed at the blatant blanket statement made by the politician, not the judge.

If he determined, as per evidence that it was a factor in these crimes, than of course the ruling isn't the result of racism or xenophobia.

That doesn't mean he isn't a xenophobe though. I just have no evidence that would suggest he is.

Therefore no, at this time, I do not think he is.

~Tenth

reply to post by stumason

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but alarm bells are ringing that call into question the veracity of the story you linked..

hello, you have made some good points, but if the claims were untrue why did Oxford and Cherwell Valley College only threaten uk column with legal action but never followed through with it? the claims uk column make are very disturbing and serious so surely they would want to clear the colleges name if it were all lies,

you are right in saying its odd that no one has being arrested, but our government bodies are good at keeping things to themselves if there's a chance it could bring them into such disrepute, because if this is true then it makes me wonder how common place child abuse in schools is, and in the media, take Jimmy savile for example, the police, bbc, children in need any many more parties knew what he was up to but none of them took steps to stop him,