Giant sonic boom felt and heard in Indianapolis Indiana(meteor? mass devastation Info blocade

Originally posted by smilesmcgee
Don't know if its been mentioned yet, but a similar thing happened before.

www.cbc.ca...

People were out of their homes for months.

Very interesting, so in that case police were able to allege that a murder and possibly a murder/suicide played a role in that gas explosion.

Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by Katharos62191

 

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as testy, I'm running myself in circles and I will admit this has become a bit of an obsession.

Is there another option you'd like me to explore? I've tried to apply the same means to each scenario, if it was an airline crash where are the engines? Large discernible chunks? Even flight 93 turned up with engines and a rather large piece of fuselage when the crater was looked over.

Here, we do not see a crater, so it rules out an aerial impact. I understand many of you believe the debris would fall into the crater, but given such a large object seems suspect to you the impact itself would throw material out, and create a deep hole which would give us a depression, even if debris fell into it. As well, air liners belly, and wings are filled with kerosene, I would expect a much larger burn pattern given their wingspan, as well it would come back to angle of approach, there is no skid. If it's a plane it literally had to come straight down, likely nose first, no crater, no large sections left over. No engines, or craters from engines.

I am trying to approach this with an open mind. I even took the pictures, circled the pattern and the source of the blast appears to have come from the homes garage. (this home is gone now ha ha.) An airplane crash would create a fireball much like TV explosions, with a majority of the concussive force coming from the impact, not the fuel. The fuel would be exposed to atmosphere, and burn freely applying a very very small pressure wave and incredible heat. It would not likely result in a supersonic concussion wave heard miles out. The aircraft would not have been traveling that fast, nor would the fire ball. It would produce more of a woof.

Please present me with evidence, you'd like me to look at and be open to criticism. I'm open to criticism, and I attempt to construct my reply in a manner with more evidence and data.

Dude you have contributed alot to this thread. You do seem a bit frazzled. Take a break, Deep breath, inhale, exhale slowly. take a step back and look at the big picture. Not just one thing.

Originally posted by thepolish1
Ok, I'm gonna point out the obvious here, a house, no matter if it has brick on the outside or not, IT is built out of wood, my question is, why are there pieces of lumber on both sides of the explosion that are not charred or burnt?? In one of the pics, you can still see the green paint on the end to specify what the size is. And before anyone flames me, I do have an extensive back ground in construction, and dealing with wood.

I do not have an extensive background in construction or dealing with wood, but I have a suggestion. Perhaps the explosion was caused by gas, and it was infact an airwave caused by the explosion that threw the pieces of wood all over the place-no fire needed.

reply to post by diesel_actual


I'm not sure where I said they were half million dollar homes.. I was just stating they were brick and wood ( yes which I know is common logic ) to the comment that was made saying a 'fart' could knock them down.

reply to post by thepolish1

why are there pieces of lumber on both sides of the explosion that are not charred or burnt??

Debris from an explosion can remain unburnt due to the debris not coming into contact with the fire.

reply to post by salainen


In that case where did the fire start ?
second line ,sorry for the one line post.

reply to post by darknull


I already stated my math was based of the estimates of available information. I agree there can very well be variations. I provided the calculations I did, based on the premise many individuals have absolute certainty no natural gas explosion could cause such devastation. I used formulas any of you would learn in HIGHSCHOOL chemistry, Math and Physics.

The formula was based off the real estate website floor plan for the area. It may not be exact, we had to estimate ceiling heights to work out the rough volume for the home, at which point I used the optimum ratio for combustion of Natural gas, calculated the amount of Natural gas that would have been in the home, then calculated the energy potential for that amount of gas.

There are many variables involved in this instance. For instance, the volume of gas can be much higher and produce even more energy than I calculated. A much smaller volume could still be responsible. The circumstances could have been at a ratio favorable to a detonation which would produce more energy than I calculated.

For the sake of anonymity I can not provide any transcripts to prove my credentials online, so what is the point in stating them. Yes you can find all of the formulas I used online, and in that manner please feel free to check them yourself

reply to post by Katharos62191

to the comment that was made saying a 'fart' could knock them down.

Yeah sorry bout that. If they had a brick facade which they clearly do, then a fart would not do the job.

Not even a big one.

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by azoth88

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by jhn7537

 

Natural gas explosion seems most likely given the events that took place, and the aftermath.

Ok cool, that's what i heard earlier, but it wasn't confirmed yet...

Indianapolis resident here.
#'s really strange. I'm watching the news and they announced that a 10:00 PM curfew is being enforced in the area and that there will be "a strong police presence throughout the night."

They then cut to the spokesperson from Citizens Energy company who said that they have tested the area and detected no natural gas leaks.

I find that VERY strange... If they're calling for a curfew they should probably inform you to why that curfew is being enforced... If they believe something radioactive or chemical like has the risk of affecting the given area they should give residents the chance to GET OUT OF TOWN...

I'm in south chicago, so im sure the area isnt anywhere close to me, but I can get to Indiana within 10 minutes off rt 80

The curfew is to prevent looting, I drove by tonight, if there was something chemical/radioactive the scene would be much different, they are letting residents into the neighborhood, unless their home as been deemed stuctrally unsafe...the local news just showed about 30 reporters walking those the area earlier today

Originally posted by ToadInAHole
reply to post by salainen

 

In that case where did the fire start ?
second line ,sorry for the one line post.

As stated by magma (perhaps more clearly), the wood didn't need to come into contact with the fire, it was thrown far enough by the explosion to not be burnt by the subsequent fire.

Originally posted by magma
reply to post by Katharos62191

 

to the comment that was made saying a 'fart' could knock them down.

Yeah sorry bout that. If they had a brick facade which they clearly do, then a fart would not do the job.

Not even a big one.

Bahaha
I'm glad we cleared up that possibility

reply to post by Hijinx

For instance, the volume of gas can be much higher and produce even more energy than I calculated.

Which if it doesn't turn out to be a UFO, which it probably is, then you are onto the next best thing

I think the most reasonable guess would be gas.

An initial survey of gas mains throughout the neighborhood has not identified any gas leaks.

Citizens Energy Group Statement

The gas company does not say it was not a gas explosion. They are covering their assets. If there was a gas leak in the house, the home owner is totally liable. Whatever happened originated from inside or very near the house in my opinion.

Originally posted by Katharos62191
reply to post by diesel_actual

 

I'm not sure where I said they were half million dollar homes.. I was just stating they were brick and wood ( yes which I know is common logic ) to the comment that was made saying a 'fart' could knock them down.

Todays construction, a fart could damn near bring one down. Things arent made to last like they were way back when. Although, they look pretty, don't expect them to last 50 years. Ok, maybe not one with a brick facade, but you get the picture.

reply to post by magma


Ha ha ha, Okay so until otherwise we will just go with UFO.

chicago.cbslocal.com...

New form of terrorism. Rent house fill it with explosives and then ignite it when all are sleeping on a week night. Homes were damaged for a 2 block radius.

But not conventional to do enough damage.

Originally posted by salainen

Originally posted by ToadInAHole
reply to post by salainen

 

In that case where did the fire start ?
second line ,sorry for the one line post.

As stated by magma (perhaps more clearly), the wood didn't need to come into contact with the fire, it was thrown far enough by the explosion to not be burnt by the subsequent fire.

Yes , that much i gathered , but i`m asking - if most of the wood was fired away from the explosion how could a fire spread without fuel ?

It must have been a big explosion to throw the bricks around and damage near by homes , so if it was gas the fire ball would have been huge.

Note : the blue dye on the tips of the timber shows shoddy craftsmanship , a real craftsman trims them off to make the job look neat. Irellevant i know , but i`m a joiner (carpenter) by trade.

Originally posted by Katharos62191
reply to post by diesel_actual

 

I'm not sure where I said they were half million dollar homes.. I was just stating they were brick and wood ( yes which I know is common logic ) to the comment that was made saying a 'fart' could knock them down.

"half million dollars" was mentioned earlier by someone else,



8355 Fieldfare Way
Indianapolis, IN 46237

Originally posted by ToadInAHole
Yes , that much i gathered , but i`m asking - if most of the wood was fired away from the explosion how could a fire spread without fuel ?

It must have been a big explosion to throw the bricks around and damage near by homes , so if it was gas the fire ball would have been huge.

Note : the blue dye on the tips of the timber shows shoddy craftsmanship , a real craftsman trims them off to make the job look neat. Irellevant i know , but i`m a joiner (carpenter) by trade.

The fire didn't spread, hence the wood isn't burned... Fireball went upwards, not sideways. Homes very close burned, but only because they were close.

And to those wondering about the price, the schoolteachers could have been renting, and from what I gather were not in the middle house anyway, and the middle house was empty. No conspiracy needed this time.

reply to post by ToadInAHole

Box has a picture of what looks like a blue apple with a smilie face on it

Smiley face always shows up at the most inopportune times,

Keep an eye out for him.