If Obama wins and Gary Johnson gets his 5%

Looks like as of now, Obamas got this fairly comfortably. And Johnson remains a complete ghost lol.

Originally posted by Dawnbreaker
Looks like as of now, Obamas got this fairly comfortably. And Johnson remains a complete ghost lol.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Dawnbreaker because: (no reason given)

Not necessarily.

The libertarian vote is yet to be determined how much impact they had in swing states.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

No money in the world can make government run efficiently man.

I respectfully disagree. Got to get the bilderbergers aka illuminati out of government...that would make a big difference. The billionares and trillionares that pay no taxes, send their money offshore and then have the disgrace to buy politicians. It is an enormous money laundering, embezzling, tax evasion, usury, treasonous racket!



Capitalism creates parasitism within the upper echelons of society. That is why we have bourgeiose and proletariat. Karl Marx was a smart man but the communist manifesto was too anarchist orientated for my taste buds. I am more of a social democrat, bring socialism by vote and not by revolution.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Nope.
All the money goes to interest on the outstanding debt.
Not one cent goes to the people of the US.
Rather, it goes to international banks, the same ones that finance the Pentagon, which every US citizen has no control or 'vote' for it's leaders as they are carefully 'planted' by the tower that be figures.
The system was designed to bankrupt the US as most other countries.
I know of no fellow countryman that wishes to war with 'any' country out there.
There is a large difference between the 'people' and it's selected govt.

It should concern most when one country or another is to blame for the military action against another.
In the mass media they often group a 'country' rather than it's planted govt. for it's actions.
Most are aware of this though subconsciously to the benefit of a few.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


You can't blame the inefficiency of government on the elite.

At the end of the day, governments waste money, thats what they do.


You can't point fingers at the elite banking network and then USE their money to fuel socialism and socialist programs like free healthcare and free education. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

You can't blame the inefficiency of government on the elite.

At the end of the day, governments waste money, thats what they do.


You can't point fingers at the elite banking network and then USE their money to fuel socialism and socialist programs like free healthcare and free education. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Didn't the communist countries issue their own currency and plan the economy from top to bottom?

That is why the bilderbergers blockaded cuba, north korea, ussr, china, and all the warsaw pact nations. They did not want any competition and figured the best way to bring down communism was to create an embargo and choke it from within. Thus the blockade!

I don't like communism. I like mixed-economies with both a private and public sector. Schools, transportation, libraries, healthcare, utilities should be public. Everything else can be private. I like the private sector just as much as the public sector. I am using the communist model to illustrate that governments can issue their own currency debt-free.

reply to post by eLPresidente


There should be a better word than 'elite' to describe the parasites/criminals/scumbags of societies.
Towers that be, tyrants, anything but elite.
A true 'elite' would have nothing to hide and would have no need to have others bid their actions, take their fall.
It seems neo-con zionists appear to front the 'white' man for their actions though they may be guilty by association, they are Not the planners. Review PNAC and AIPAC for 'influence' on modern day politics.
ADL, EDL, Southern 'poverty' center as their protectorate to a NWO.
The Protocals of zion/sion=the Synagogue of Satan.

One doesn't even need to be religious to understand how Rothschild, whom financed the relocation of eastern European (converted) jews to Israel, post WW2 (both sides financed by Rothschild) to establish 'the homeland' for his oil empire in the middle east. Ask any Palestinian or Sephardic jew whom the true homeland of modern day Israel had been settled by for ages. It was the land of Palestine for ages, before it was renamed 'Israel' or IS (isis) ra (king ra) el (G).

Originally posted by Bluemoonsine
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

There should be a better word than 'elite' to describe the parasites/criminals/scumbags of societies.
Towers that be, tyrants, anything but elite.
A true 'elite' would have nothing to hide and would have no need to have others bid their actions, take their fall.
A true Emporer wears no clothes, except a loin cloth, lol, for the younguns.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Bluemoonsine because: (no reason given)

well as long as people know what I mean. I don't really like using the term elite either but in my opinion, it beats using 'powers that be' and 'tyrants'.

reply to post by Bluemoonsine


No. You are wrong. One third goes to pay off the debt. Government in america does not get money from the federal reserve. It gets money from taxation at all levels. Corporations and wealthy people do not pay their share and the government has to issue more treasury bonds to cover the difference. Treasury bonds come at interest rates. Many T-bills belong to the investment banks and the rest are owned by everyone else. Rich buy more bonds so naturally they make more money.

It is a beorgoise conspiracy. Rockefellers and rothschilds own both big parties and do as they please. They have trillions. Then come the billionares like bill gates, george soros, koch brothers, duponts, vanderbilts, etc.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


That doesn't explain how money can make government efficient because its impossible.

Efficiency and fiscal responsibility is driven by competition. The US GOVERNMENT has no competition, they have a monopoly on force among many other things.

I won't disagree that currency can be created and issued debt free, I am open to that but a currency backed by tangibility is much more preferred, its the only way insure sanity and prevent bubbles.

There is nothing wrong with capitalism, there is something very wrong with Fascism, which is how we ended up at the point we're currently at.

reply to post by eLPresidente


Who is government? We the people should decide who represents us. Further the government does not have to be efficient if it can print as much money as it needs. Inflation is created by the bankers to rip off the working class and consolidate wealth and tangible resources.

reply to post by TheOneElectric


You do know that Gary Johnson describes himself as Social Responsible and Fiscally conservative, right? There is nothing wrong with communities working together pitching in to help create a better community. The key distinction, is the Republicans and Democrats want to operate social programs at the federal level, where libertarians tend to want those decisions made more on the local level.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The federal 'reserve' buys the bonds from the treasury with fiat digital currency (fake, FIAT, understood?) which has been bankrupt since the early 70s as explained here. Goldman Sachs has since put their people in the SEC to ensure their corruption would go unchecked. The IMF writes/pays the checks, not the treasury. No one in their Right mind would buy US treasuries at this point as for the past several years for they are aware it is bankrupt. This includes China, Japan as well as those with too much funds and no conscience. Most are unaware. Please, you are interrupting my 'buzz' session. Had a few, thanks to the likes of.....uh

Un Mas
Many more where that came from though should be nuff for now; no?
WT?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

Who is government? We the people should decide who represents us. Further the government does not have to be efficient if it can print as much money as it needs. Inflation is created by the bankers to rip off the working class and consolidate wealth and tangible resources.

You can't artificially fuel industries even if the money you use to pay for it is debt free, thats what causes bubbles.

This is why the free market principle is so strong, you can't force people to to do things, they must have their own choice.

You also can't provide free services forever, its impossible.

I'm sorry man, you're living in candyland. I'd love to live in candyland where everything is free, forever as well but I know its unsustainable.

Anyone know where I can find the complete results for all presidential candidates?

To both EarthCitizen07 and eLpresidente i think you both bring up valid points but i'm kind of right in the middle of what you are both saying, i do think TPTB (The Powers That Be) have a huge role in why the country of America is in the bad shape it is in, however i don't feel socialism is the answer to me socialism is another word for communism and we know how socialism worked out for Nazi Germany.....


To me the answer is some where in between what your both saying, capitalism and a free democracy always prevails over socialism in the long run but the TPTB Cabals Illuminati what ever you want to call them should pay for there crimes and i don't mean just there financial crimes....

Looks like Gary pulled in exactly one percent.

www.google.com...



Was hoping for the five percent as well, but perhaps he'll run again in 2016.

reply to post by King Seesar


For the record, I never once argued that the elite should not be held responsible for their actions, I want them to pay and suffer just as much as anybody else that knows what dirty tricks they're up to.


I advocate getting rid of the federal reserve and the IRS because that is where the root of their power comes from, that is why they sneakily got the federal reserve act and income tax passed and so on...

I was previously arguing, that we can't advocate to keep these entities alive and at the same time advocate socialist policies like free education, healthcare, and what not because the hand that feeds you will be the very evil that you so hate and want to get rid of.

Getting the government out of the free market (capitalism) takes care of the problem because corporations have embedded themselves into government like cancer and uses the governments' monopoly on FORCE to dictate their agenda to the people. That is why we have bubbles, that is why we have artificially fixed interest rates, that is why GMO's are so rampant, that is why the pharma industry is so f'd up, that is why the prison system is overpopulated with non-violent offenders, and so on.

You let government dictate any policy on an unlimited budget, like EarthCitizen07 so claims, there will be bubbles and massive failure for industries that only exist artificially.

reply to post by eLPresidente


What 'term' would you supplant for 'elite'?
I'm sure you would agree it's inappropriate.
If not, why not?

Originally posted by Bluemoonsine
reply to post by eLPresidente

 

What 'term' would you supplant for 'elite'?
I'm sure you would agree it's inappropriate.
If not, why not?

It turns me off when people use PTB, its too quacky.

I use elite a lot because its what I use when I talk to normal folk, they need to be eased into the truth.

I'm just used to it. I like tyrant though but it just doesn't work as well for me.

Its all my opinion though, these things are very subjective.