If Obama wins and Gary Johnson gets his 5%

I tend to disagree. In the Southeast, Mountain West, and Great Plains states, Democrats are the party that is disappearing. Several of these states have seen an emergence of libertarian candidates to challenge establishment Republicans. Democrats have been denigrated to a mere special interest group except for a few gerrymandered districts.
Also, I do not see much ground for libertarianism in the Northeast. People up that way tend to see it as being equal to "right wing extremism". I think you'll see a continued evenly split nation until it either splinters or collapses.

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Oh. I see now. Will look into this more, because I am very jaded to this system. But thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Still skeptical... Feels like a payoff.

I personally found the libertarian party platform repulsive, even more than the republican platform. Do away with the irs? Do away with corporate tax? Replace everything with a federal consumption tax? Destroy medicare and medicaid? ALL BAD IDEAS taking us backwards, rather than forwards. Instead of demolishing the house completly, the federal government should have gradually increased the tariffs on imports TILL BUSINESS WAS FORCED TO COME BACK TO THE USA! You don't give incentive for business to come back, you give them decentive for leaving, damm it!

But beggars can't be choosers, and the two party monopoly needs to end one way or another. I would much rather had had the constitution party take the 5% from the republicans, and the green party take the 5% from the democrats. And to be blunt I would love for the SPUSA or SWPUSA to come up big time as well. Everyone has been born with an aversion for socialism in america because of corporate brainwashing 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. People have a totally lopsided view of what it is and what it stands for!

My only hope is that if the libertarian party gets the 5%, it will FINALLY WAKE UP PEOPLE that there are MORE THAN TWO PARTIES in this goddamm country.

There are many more to choose from, and you can always vote for an independant candidate as well.

Read my signature why democrats and republicans have been HOARDING ALL THE VOTES for many decades!

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i feel your pain.

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The Northeast you say...you mean places like New Hampshire...you know...where the state motto is "Live free or die"...nah...they don't have any appreciation of Liberty or Libertarian views...

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New Hampshire is certainly not representative of the rest of the Northeast. Which I felt was a fairly obvious fact for any educated individual.

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You didn't know the IRS was forced into being the same time the Federal Reserve was? They are both unconstitutional entities. Why WOULDN'T you want to remove the IRS?

Goodbye to hard right social conservatism? Good riddance.

Regardless, who get's'elected, you still have a choice.
Don't blame me, I'm on my 3rd.
Looking forward.
Cobain never did himself!
He was a threat to uh, well you know.
If not, you're late.
Are you?

Voted for Gary Johnson today. We need a third party. We need to break up this monopoly and split the votes so we have more realistic choices next election. I wish candidates didn't have to fall under any party. I wish candidates were chosen based on their individual beliefs, their credentials, their past accomplishments and reputation. None of this party crap is necessary. I want the best man/woman for the job....not because they fit into a particular club, but because they have proven themselves to be trustworthy, and men/women of their word.

None of this matters!! The election is rigged. They keep taking away our rights and destroying the Constitution and people put up with it. Idiots argue about Dem vs Rep, drink their beer, and watch there football. MORONS!!! I love Ron Paul and Gary Williams, but they have no chance when the game is rigged. Just keep casting your ballots and see what happens...not a d@mn thing!!! I am so disgusted with humanity. Lemmings marching to their doom, get what they deserve.

Looks more like 0,5%

Originally posted by eLPresidente
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You didn't know the IRS was forced into being the same time the Federal Reserve was? They are both unconstitutional entities. Why WOULDN'T you want to remove the IRS?

Unconstitutional or not, the IRS is supposed to collect funds from citizens and corporations, so that the federal government can have enough money to perform its duties, such as pay for the military, pay for social servies(ss, medicare/medicaid/disability/unemployment), pay government employees their salaries, pay to develop and maintain infrastructure(bridges, highways, schools, airports, libraries, airports, seaports, hospitals,etc), etc.

Of course most of the responsibility falls to the state and municipalities in america as the government is decentralised. Every country has an internal revenue service, how do you think nations operate?

I DO understand that the Federal Reserve is a private central bank that is seperate from the government, composed of big banking heads that collect interest on every dollar printed and more or less run the government themselves. We need a public central bank! Ron Paul and perhaps Gary Johnson want to take down the FED and IRS and replace it with competing currencies backed by the gold standard i assume. I don't think we have enough gold or silver to account for such vast amounts of money. Fiat currency is not the problem, it is that we have a private central bank.

Here is a great link I found that explains everything. Europeans have the same problem and that is why their socialism has failed. They relly on investors(including the bankers) to issue them money at interest. The government does not issue its own.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by eLPresidente
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You didn't know the IRS was forced into being the same time the Federal Reserve was? They are both unconstitutional entities. Why WOULDN'T you want to remove the IRS?

Unconstitutional or not, the IRS is supposed to collect funds from citizens and corporations, so that the federal government can have enough money to perform its duties, such as pay for the military, pay for social servies(ss, medicare/medicaid/disability/unemployment), pay government employees their salaries, pay to develop and maintain infrastructure(bridges, highways, schools, airports, libraries, airports, seaports, hospitals,etc), etc.

Of course most of the responsibility falls to the state and municipalities in america as the government is decentralised. Every country has an internal revenue service, how do you think nations operate?

I DO understand that the Federal Reserve is a private central bank that is seperate from the government, composed of big banking heads that collect interest on every dollar printed and more or less run the government themselves. We need a public central bank! Ron Paul and perhaps Gary Johnson want to take down the FED and IRS and replace it with competing currencies backed by the gold standard i assume. I don't think we have enough gold or silver to account for such vast amounts of money. Fiat currency is not the problem, it is that we have a private central bank.

Here is a great link I found that explains everything. Europeans have the same problem and that is why their socialism has failed. They relly on investors(including the bankers) to issue them money at interest. The government does not issue its own.

I hate to break it to you man but the income tax collected only goes to pay for the interest fees on the money owed by the US GOVERNMENT to the Federal Reserve.

The IRS is UNconstitutional and therefore is not lawfully allowed to exist, which means anybody that argues that the IRS should be abolished is lawfully, legally, constitutionally, morally correct.

You can share your opinions on why you think it should exist but at the end of the day, the IRS' existence is a moot point.

The Federal Reserve is also an illegal entity, per the Constitution, congress coins money, this is undebatable as well.

Have you read "The Create from Jekyll Island"??

Originally posted by eLPresidente

I hate to break it to you man but the income tax collected only goes to pay for the interest fees on the money owed by the US GOVERNMENT to the Federal Reserve.

The IRS is UNconstitutional and therefore is not lawfully allowed to exist, which means anybody that argues that the IRS should be abolished is lawfully, legally, constitutionally, morally correct.

Yes it was not ratified by all the states. One third of the money goes to pay interest on the national debt. The second third goes to the military and the last third goes to pay government expenditures and national infrastructure projects.

So its not quite that ALL the money goes to pay the debt. Yes a substantial amount none the less, and a total waste if you ask me. We should not be paying bankers interest on coins issued by the government.

I guess most of the revenue is raised by state taxation and property taxes. I was a bit misleading before and I apologise.

You can share your opinions on why you think it should exist but at the end of the day, the IRS' existence is a moot point.

A federal consumption tax is totally inept to raise enough money to allow the federal government to operate efficiently. We already have taxation on tabacco, liquor, gasoline, firearms, etc and it falls way short. How the hell would a consumption tax raise anywhere near enough funds?

The bottom line is we need more tariffs and make the central bank public. Nationalise the federal reserve. Its half-way socialism in a real sense.

The Federal Reserve is also an illegal entity, per the Constitution, congress coins money, this is undebatable as well.

Have you read "The Create from Jekyll Island"??

I have not read that book but I already know it is an illegal creation. I even hinted that in my first post.

I think we'll know for sure tomorrow. I'm so excited.

Not looking good for Johnson in Ga. He got 500 votes in my county though. I'm glad to know there are more than '300' like minded omitted people out there. That's all it takes.

I think I heard 1% Georgia.

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No money in the world can make government run efficiently man.

When Romney loses this by a hair, it's instant karma delivered to the GOP by way of Ron Paul supporters. We warned them but they wouldn't listen.