If Obama wins and Gary Johnson gets his 5%

It'll never happen, and you know why?

Fraud.

The same people that will be jigging the voting machines tomorrow will ensure that Mr. Johnson gets no more than 4.999%. The status quo will not be upset!

Speaking of election fraud - I'll be watching tomorrow night very closely. There was no chance of it happening in the blowout of 2008, but think back to 2000 and 2004. Close elections allow minor tampering to change results. I'm looking at you, Ohio (again...)

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by mrnotobc
I've always voted straight GOP. Not this time. I'm a Ron Paul supporter, or I was. After what they did to him, I think it's time to just burn this MF down. I think it's best to vote for obummer, and help him put an end to our nazi, corrupt, commie government.. Burn it down now.

Its amazing what the Republican party is unknowingly and actively doing to implode themselves and you are an excellent example...

Long time GOP voter turned Ron Paul supporter, awakened to the realities of the GOP's self-destructive acts and ended up voting for the other party as a result.

All partys are now run by corporations. The vote is rigged. There's no hope by voting for anyone. It's all a sham. It's time to start watering that tree again with blood.

Whether you vote for Obama, or Romney, you're voting for a rotten turd.

I for one refuse to vote for Beelzebub and Mammon uh,I mean Obama and Romney.I am voting for GJ anything to put an end to the 2 party scam.

Well, I'll tell ya what. In 1996 I heard the Republican party was Kaput. Finished. If they lost to a man like Clinton...so I heard said....they couldn't win a race for dog catcher again. In 2000 I heard the Democrats were on the ropes and it was curtains. In 2004 the Dems were absolutely cooked and fried. After all, it was 1996 in reverse. If they'd lose to a man like Bush, they couldn't win a race for dog catcher.

Then 2008. We're back to Republicans being a dead party and some actually said they wouldn't be cohesive enough to put up a decent run 4 years later with no one worth running anyway.

Funny thing...That's over 16 years of hearing one side or the other is through and might as well seek life elsewhere for politics. I look at Washington and see a Congress divided, a White House in turmoil before Sandy hit and a Supreme Court that can't seem to decide if it's right, left or honestly IS deciding based on their sincere belief of the law. Toughie there....

To paraphrase a song. 'Dems to the left of me, Repubs to the right'...and the only one being stomped in time to the music? Every last one of us...in the public. (sigh) Wishful thinking, OP. Wishful thinking....Neither party is going anywhere even tho you'd happily toss one out an airlock and I'd toss the other. We'll both be living with the other for the foreseeable future, IMO.

I voted for Gary Johnson personally. After this election cycle, with all the nonesense that went down, I am jumping ship from republican party altogether. More than likely to the libertarian party, slight chance of independant. I would be thrilled to see him get that 5%. A lot of people I tea partied with back in the day feel the same way. To hell with the GOP.

reply to post by TKDRL


I think no matter who wins, a lot of annoyed and angry GOP will be jumping ship, and a chunk of them will end up libertarian. I am also hoping that a bunch will be jumping ship from the democrats, although they are probably more likely to end up in the green party, rather than libertarian.

Originally posted by ThinkingCap
So if the Libertarian (or any third party) gains 5% of the vote, they are awarded with a sum of an alleged 90 million dollars?

This is a rumor I have been hearing. To me, it sounds like a giant pay off.

Edit to add: If this true, where does this sum of money come from?

edit on 5-11-2012 by ThinkingCap because: (no reason given)

This money comes from the Federal Election Campaign Fund. I have posted about this a few times over the last month in different threads. You can read all about it here from the horse's mouth.

The Presidential nominee of each major party may become eligible for a public grant of $20,000,000 plus COLA (over 1974). For 2012, the grant is approximately $91,241,400 for each major party nominee. With the exception of the 2008 Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, every major party nominee has accepted the general election grant since the program's inception in 1976. Candidates themselves may not raise any other funds to be used for campaigning during the general election period.

Public grants of $18,248,300 went to each of the major parties for their conventions in 2012.

Since no third party candidate received 5% of the vote in 2008, only the Republican and Democratic parties are eligible for 2012 convention grants, and only their nominees may receive grants for the general election when they are nominated. Third-party candidates could qualify for retroactive public funds if they receive 5% or more of the vote in the general election.

Source

The reason why this is such a big deal for third party Candidates is because they usually spend a majority of any money raised on simply getting on the ballot which leaves very little to actually campaign with. This is why you do not see TV ads left and right for Third Party Candidates. Receiving money from this grant would actually level the playing field considerably. It would make a third party candidate VERY tough to simply ignore.

Wow, I've never seen so much propaganda in one place as I have seen in that opening post by the OP. Pure conjecture at this point.

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Far from likely Gary will get 5%.

But the GOP is still a dead-end party.

Is it 5% of the popular vote or 5% of the electoral votes he needs?

Btw, the Republican party slit their own throat because of what they did to Ron Paul. It was so underhanded that many left the party after Alex Jones and Ben Swann covered it. I know Obama is going to win...and my parents are going to go ape# over it, but I'm glad he will win. I hate Obama and Romney, but this way there will be no false hope and we know what evil we're dealing with.

RIP America. After the election, Obama will go buck-wild and thrash the Constitution like never before and cram through as many regulations and control grids as possible. The NWO in full-swing.

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To be honest when i saw your thread as a hot topic thread on the front page my thinking was ok this guy is a Democrat which is fine but i thought you would go to the extreme with venom and then become a socialistic liberal progressive non JFK Democrat which is not fine, but your post went places i never expected because after my perceived thinking that your were going to just spew rhetoric, which i can say after reading it i was 100 percent wrong you went a way with your thread i never thought you would.

I was expecting some Libertarian bashing and then maybe you go the other way of a hard line neo con fascists non Ron Paul Republican complaining which to my delight you didn't, you made 100 percent sense and i agree with everything you said, i just got back from voting and i did vote for Gary Johnson and i have been crying all along that we need a legit 3rd party to challenge the big two because we need more options and if your assumption is right we will get that, so God bless you and your message...

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Very well put together Electric, Johnson is a name I'm heard of but not necessarily familiar with. Thanks for adding another topic to my research portfolio... you bastard!

The rise of a third or fourth party WILL cause the destruction of the Republican party. Why? Because Democrats always vote Democrat. Independents and Republicans are the ones who vote 3rd/4th party.

If Obama wins the real republican party may win the next election instead of these fake progressive republicans. who records are exact identical to democrats and liberals.
People need to realize the GOP is not the GOP that our fore fathers and Abraham Lincoln molded us into.They are progressives like liberals and their records prove it.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
If Obama wins the real republican party may win the next election instead of these fake progressive republicans. who records are exact identical to democrats and liberals.
People need to realize the GOP is not the GOP that our fore fathers and Abraham Lincoln molded us into.They are progressives like liberals and their records prove it.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)

One of the most insane things I've ever seen posted on ATS. ^^^

Originally posted by longlostbrother

Originally posted by Jobeycool
If Obama wins the real republican party may win the next election instead of these fake progressive republicans. who records are exact identical to democrats and liberals.
People need to realize the GOP is not the GOP that our fore fathers and Abraham Lincoln molded us into.They are progressives like liberals and their records prove it.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)

One of the most insane things I've ever seen posted on ATS. ^^^

It is true man,Romneys record is nothing but progressive moderate stuff.Nothing conservative about His record.I get to mad and fed up with politicians lying.Finding myself to lean to libiterians view point because they are leaning more to The Golden Rule."Do Unto others as you would have them do unto you."



edit reasons are because I had to many type errors

Today is the day! Anyone excited?

I would be but "Open Memo" and two hours of sleep. I'll catch the results after I get back from the gym tonight. Good luck to everyone (for the future). Cross your fingers, something interesting may happen.

Well, I'll go a bit further here. I don't think it has much to do with GJ at all. The GOP will die a long, slow death much like Whigs did before them. Why? It's the Demographics. Whites are becoming a minority and most non-whites don't feel the GOP represents their interests.

www.bostonglobe.com...

If demographics is destiny, the Republican Party has a rendezvous with irrelevance — unless its policies change. This is the message some Republican leaders have been sending in the closing weeks of the presidential campaign. “The demographics race we’re losing badly,” Senator Lindsey Graham recently told the Washington Post with characteristic bluntness. “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

The numbers tell the tale. Minorities have accounted for 85 percent of the country’s population growth over the past decade, according to the US Census Bureau. A record 24 million Hispanics will be eligible to vote in the 2012 presidential election, up 22 percent since 2008. Meanwhile, nearly 87 percent of registered Republican voters are white. And whites have declined as a portion of the electorate in every presidential election since 1992.

The GOP doubles down every time it loses and this would be no different. They will move further to right. The Democrats only seem "leftist" in comparison to them. They have pushed out ever last visage of the old Rockefeller style Republican. The only place this dog is going to hunt is the deep south which has become solidly Republican. The rest of the states will become a serious problem in the next few years. Arizona will actually become a battleground state soon. Many of the house races are actually closer than they should be. The GOP's downfall began decades before this when they began to pander to southern racists after LBJ pushed them out of the party.

As for what the new party will be, I think it's too early to tell. The GOP will hang on for at least another decade but with increasing irrelevance as the population changes. The question is if the new "Right" will be the pretty much centrist Democratic party with an actual leftists party as the challenge or will the American tendency to conservatism produce a new right wing party?

Originally posted by antonia
Well, I'll go a bit further here. I don't think it has much to do with GJ at all. The GOP will die a long, slow death much like Whigs did before them. Why? It's the Demographics. Whites are becoming a minority and most non-whites don't feel the GOP represents their interests.

www.bostonglobe.com...

If demographics is destiny, the Republican Party has a rendezvous with irrelevance — unless its policies change. This is the message some Republican leaders have been sending in the closing weeks of the presidential campaign. “The demographics race we’re losing badly,” Senator Lindsey Graham recently told the Washington Post with characteristic bluntness. “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

The numbers tell the tale. Minorities have accounted for 85 percent of the country’s population growth over the past decade, according to the US Census Bureau. A record 24 million Hispanics will be eligible to vote in the 2012 presidential election, up 22 percent since 2008. Meanwhile, nearly 87 percent of registered Republican voters are white. And whites have declined as a portion of the electorate in every presidential election since 1992.

The GOP doubles down every time it loses and this would be no different. They will move further to right. The Democrats only seem "leftist" in comparison to them. They have pushed out ever last visage of the old Rockefeller style Republican. The only place this dog is going to hunt is the deep south which has become solidly Republican. The rest of the states will become a serious problem in the next few years. Arizona will actually become a battleground state soon. Many of the house races are actually closer than they should be. The GOP's downfall began decades before this when they began to pander to southern racists after LBJ pushed them out of the party.

As for what the new party will be, I think it's too early to tell. The GOP will hang on for at least another decade but with increasing irrelevance as the population changes. The question is if the new "Right" will be the pretty much centrist Democratic party with an actual leftists party as the challenge or will the American tendency to conservatism produce a new right wing party?

edit on 6-11-2012 by antonia because: opps

Which is exactly why this has become a very dangerous country.Wrecked the constituion powers.Ron Paul only warns about it every single time He speaks.