if you vote for Obama or Romney you're an idiot

Celebrate democracy by exercising your democratic right not to vote. Ingenious!

Originally posted by Sablicious
Celebrate democracy by exercising your democratic right not to vote. Ingenious!

And this is what we get when we do vote.

Originally posted by crawdad1914

When you reference the "RNC sham" I assume you are speaking to the disenfranchisement of the Paul delegates and the obvious scripting of the procedure and count. Speaker John Boehner read on the teleprompter and was instructed what he was supposed to do, regardless of what was happening on the floor. If this is the sham you are refering to,I would ask how the 2 politicians you cite above, reacted to that sham, how they feel about suporting a party and a system that would allow what happened on the Convention floor? How the system they support was so obviously corrupted, and scripted. How the will of the people were ignored?

Have you written to them to ask how they feel about what hapened?

I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I am only interested in how 2 people you feel are worthy of you're vote feel about the "sham" that you feel strongly about and, how they feel about being part of a party that allows that to take place.

edit on 29-10-2012 by crawdad1914 because: spelling

Yes! That is what I was referring to in my last post. I will provide the link to the article that interviewed Tom Davis backing Ron Paul, the floor fight and stated his opinion that the GOP has an obligation to include the supporters, and if not that it could potentially cost them the election. ht.ly... (We're allowed to give links right? I'm new here, haha)

At the We Are The Future rally, his speech regarding the Federal Reserve struck a cord. You should watch it if you get the chance! I've had conversations with him through facebook as he frequently mentions third party candidates, and fingers crossed he will beat Senator Lindsay Graham in 2014. As for Justin Amash, he has said he will not be endorsing anyone but Ron Paul but would help the Republican nominee after the convention.

reply to post by Grimpachi

The only way a voter is heard is when they vote. You don’t like the two party system fine then vote 3rd party. The side that loses the election is going to take notice of those who voted 3rd party. Why because with your votes they could have won. They will take notice and align themselves more to you the next go around. Is the system perfect? Hell no but it is the one we have if you don’t like it I can tell you this much if you sit on your arse and do nothing that is exactly what you should expect to change. Nothing.

I'm sorry but this is absolute twoddle and does NOT happen in reality... Show me one instance where this has happened! They can say ANYTHING before they get elected but what happens if they do not follow through when elected? NOTHING! Prople then protest and get pepper sprayed and beaten!

Carrying on voting is not only immoral it is futile and the very definition of insane! Ie doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results!

I'm sorry but you are delusional, are you still pretty young?

I don't mean to offend but seriously look a bit deeper into the whole democracy/mob rule thing.

reply to post by ~widowmaker~


Yeah, you're right. Idiot is a little strong for my taste, but I personally felt that I could agree with that statement for myself. The majority of people are understandably busy with their lives and therefore only watch the news to be updated on the newest zinger. Gullible by these monopolized cable networks.

reply to post by birdlaw


Are you thinking of Senator Lindsay Graham?

The I am not voting and staying home crowd outnumbers the voting for Obama crowd almost two to one same for the voting for Romney crowd. Just imagine if they all voted for someone in the third party but I guess that’s too hard. Nah I don’t think they actually want change but they love their right to complain

reply to post by Grimpachi


Aboslute nonsense! Have you EVER stopped to consider the fact that not voting IS their vote? Oh but you don't like that vote right? Ha ha... You are right, some comments on here are hilarious!

Statist "you must vote or you have no say"

Non voter "but they are ALL lying scum and the system is rigged! Not to mention the fact it's immoral to FORCE your view onto other people"

Statist "you must vote, or you have no say"

Non voter "Okay, I vote not to vote, I vote we have non of them!"

Statist "erm no! You cant vote like that! You have to choose who we say you can choose!"

Non voter "oh, so I really have no choice then"

Statist "you must vote..."

Lol This is the way it goes... Now answer me honestly here, if the majority said No (already do right?), would you respect their decision and support their decision NOT to have a ruler... Now I dont want to hear all the "it wont work" BS... I want to know if you will actually respect that which you advocate! My guessing is you will NOT!

Hypocrite and a fraud... Prove me wrong...

Originally posted by meeee
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

The only way a voter is heard is when they vote. You don’t like the two party system fine then vote 3rd party. The side that loses the election is going to take notice of those who voted 3rd party. Why because with your votes they could have won. They will take notice and align themselves more to you the next go around. Is the system perfect? Hell no but it is the one we have if you don’t like it I can tell you this much if you sit on your arse and do nothing that is exactly what you should expect to change. Nothing.

I'm sorry but this is absolute twoddle and does NOT happen in reality... Show me one instance where this has happened! They can say ANYTHING before they get elected but what happens if they do not follow through when elected? NOTHING! Prople then protest and get pepper sprayed and beaten!

Carrying on voting is not only immoral it is futile and the very definition of insane! Ie doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results!

I'm sorry but you are delusional, are you still pretty young?

I don't mean to offend but seriously look a bit deeper into the whole democracy/mob rule thing.

Sorry but I am probably older than you and you sound like a disillusioned college student but I could be wrong. About your age. You want to know when one side took notice try Bush /Gore and please spare me the wise sage comments people often perpetrate on here. Florida is my state but I guess you would say all those votes for Nader didn’t affect anything. I was in the Nader camp and regret it because Iraq was the second war I served in for that region.

The definition of insane you are using is quite cleaver it was more so when Einstein coined it but you are not on that level believe me. But instead of me rehashing all the reasons to vote like how much blood has been spilt to give you those rights to puke all over them why don’t you explain how siting on your Arse at home instead of voting is going to be held in a higher esteem than the convicts that lost their right to. While you are at it what is the goal of the person who does nothing to effect change?

reply to post by meeee


I notice how you deflect away from the point I made without addressing the point at all. But you are wise right. So answer the questions I put to you before I waste too much time on this infantile thinking of yours.

Of course you can avoid the logic of my post like you have twice now and go on the attack that is always easy.

Originally posted by Socrato
I just voted for Romney because #1 it is going against my "blue state's" vote and #2 I had to complete the ballot for my votes to count on the local issues.

Yep, they sure get you and me with the local issues. It's like a conspiracy or something. I'll go ahead and vote Obama. He in no way lives up to the freedom, socialism, and free energy I'd HOPEd he'd champion. I'm hoping he wins so everyone will be ticked off enough to bring about change. If Mittens wins, I think half the US will fall into a country club daze.

Sorry but I am probably older than you and you sound like a disillusioned college student but I could be wrong. About your age. You want to know when one side took notice try Bush /Gore and please spare me the wise sage comments people often perpetrate on here. Florida is my state but I guess you would say all those votes for Nader didn’t affect anything. I was in the Nader camp and regret it because Iraq was the second war I served in for that region. The definition of insane you are using is quite cleaver it was more so when Einstein coined it but you are not on that level believe me. But instead of me rehashing all the reasons to vote like how much blood has been spilt to give you those rights to puke all over them why don’t you explain how siting on your Arse at home instead of voting is going to be held in a higher esteem than the convicts that lost their right to. While you are at it what is the goal of the person who does nothing to effect change?

reply to post by Grimpachi


Same old, same old... You do not address anything I say nor answer any of my questions... One more time for you...

You believe in democracy/mob rule right? (Incase you missed it that is question number one)

If people CHOOSE not to vote, shouldn't that be taken that they want NO ONE? (question number 2 right here)

If the majority choose no one then shouldn't that be what they get? (Question number 3)

But like many of the others I have debated you will not address the morality of voting let alone even stick to what you say you believe in...

Sorry wait, are you saying bush bent to the will of the people? Are you kidding me or what? Lol...

You were a hired hit man for bush, ahhhhh I see! But you want to make it out like you were fighting for me? You were fighting for my freedom? Ha the kool aid runs DEEP within your veins... I'm sorry but you were duped into illegal wars! Bush and blair are war criminals my friend...

You think people dont know it wwas einsteins quote? What does it matter anyway? You agree with the quote right?

Now you insinuate I do nothing... I make my own change for my own life and the people around me! I do not force people to live the way I live and I wouldnt want to! You do because that is what voting is! I do not need someone to run my life for me, I do not need someone to save me! The system is a JOKE! But you have bought into it hook line and sinker...

I simply do not comply with the control system! I LIVE the change... I am not on the electoral register even though I am told I must hy control freaks like you... I do not fill out a census, even though I am told I must... I did not register my sons birth even though I'm told I must... I refuse to be stolen from, even though I'm told I must! I am standing up for MYSELF and the people around me! I am being an example! But hey you tick a box every 4 years and blow up other countries and tell me I do nothing!

reply to post by Grimpachi

I notice how you deflect away from the point I made without addressing the point at all. But you are wise right. So answer the questions I put to you before I waste too much time on this infantile thinking of yours. Of course you can avoid the logic of my post like you have twice now and go on the attack that is always easy.

What question did you pose for me? I replied to your comment and I told you that those people who you say shoukd vote 3rd party already HAVE voted! They have voted for no one! But you do not like that resukt do you? Talk about deflecting? This is the way you people debate... I will ALWAYS answer everything I can to the best of my ability! The ONLY thing I can not comment on is the local case you spoke of because I live in the uk... YOU ignore, YOU deflect yet turn it round on me! Lol

What logic are you going on about? People do not want anyone hense they do not vote! But yoi then say they should pick someone and then they would win? Eh? Where is your logic here? They want no one!!!!

If you think not voting makes you a non-idiot you are an idiot.

Originally posted by Socrato
I just voted for Romney because #1 it is going against my "blue state's" vote and #2 I had to complete the ballot for my votes to count on the local issues.

No, you don't have to register a vote for every candidate and/or issue to make your votes for other offices/issues count.

And why not vote for some third-party candidate whose policies you agree with, as a protest vote, rather than vote for either of the two main candidates, if you think they're both bad?

Most Americans believe these "elections" are real because they are retarded. Most Americans simply are retarded. That's the reality.

reply to post by meeee


1 I believe in a republic
2 no
3 no

Sorry you got it wrong again I was a soldier long before Bush administration the information was provided in my previous post. (your reading comprehension must be low)

Last question even though you didn’t number it-No

So what I gather from the rest of what you wrote is that you are apathetic and lazy with no real answers and my previous posts struck a nerve that caused an episode of cognitive dissidence in your head so you lashed out with a rant never addressing the points I made.

Great job you convinced me. You probably shouldn’t vote when this nation was first formed not everyone was allowed they had to be land owners that was probably to cut down on the crazies. I am glad to see at least some of them are removing themselves from the process without such requirements.

Carry on.

Originally posted by Dishonored
I know I'm not the only one that thinks that WE THE PEOPLE have no choice in this election. Stay home folks. A vote for Gary Johnson or writing in Ron Paul is a vote for the 2 party dictatorship.

If you weren't saying this COMPLETELY BACKWARDS, then you would be absolutely 100% correct.

reply to post by meeee


Wow you actually caught on. I did kind of make it easy though. So yes when I said it is always easy to attack is that where you figured it out or did you think you were clever. Never mind it was rhetorical.

It’s good to know you live in the UK it explains much.

Don’t worry about the questions I posed to you your previous comments were very enlightening.

So we are clear on the subject I used the third party choice in my previous posts because in my opinion that would affect the most change as for myself I am backing another candidate I did it to step away from partisanship.

Like I said carry on. BTW you might want to spellcheck before posting. Just saying.

reply to post by Grimpachi

1 I believe in a republic 2 no 3 no 

This thread is not about a political system, this is about VOTING! YOUR post was about VOTING! This is democracy/mob rule! But now you want to deflect AGAIN...

WHY? Now peoples vote shouldn't matter?
WHY? Because YOU know best right?

Sorry you got it wrong again I was a soldier long before Bush the information was provided in my previous post. (your reading comprehension must be low) 

Ha, oh you call it a "soldier" people like you love playing with words dont you... friendly fire (killing your friends), pre-emptive strike (im going to hit you because you MIGHT hit me) etc etc... You are a hit man, a hired killer... It doesnt matter WHO hired you! The problem is you are being hired to attack people!

Last question even though you didn’t number it-No 

You dont agree that doing something again and again but expecting different results is insane? Okay... lol

So what I gather from the rest of what you wrote is that you are apathetic and lazy with no real answers and my previous posts struck a nerve that caused an episode of cognitive dissidence in your head so you lashed out with a rant never addressing the points I made.

Lmao... Oh yeah cos fighting against the system is easy peasy... Why dont you try it and see how long you last, as you are a returning vet you would be shot mate! Oh but its for your own good... I have answers for you but you do not like them! Sorry about that...

Great job you convinced me. You probably shouldn’t vote when this nation was first formed not everyone was allowed they had to be land owners that was probably to cut down on the crazies. I am glad to see at least some of them are removing themselves from the process without such requirements.

And there we have it.. You do not side with or fight for the people YOU side with and fight for the elites! You believe that YOU know what is best for everyone... This is because YOU are a control freak! You think you are so smart you can not only handle your life but everyone else's too! This is typical statist mentality! What scares you so much about letting people run their own affairs?

Btw did you kill many women and children on your tours? Where did you rank on the leader boards?

reply to post by Grimpachi

Wow you actually caught on. I did kind of make it easy though. So yes when I said it is always easy to attack is that where you figured it out or did you think you were clever. Never mind it was rhetorical. It’s good to know you live in the UK it explains much. Don’t worry about the questions I posed to you your previous comments were very enlightening. So we are clear on the subject I used the third party choice in my previous posts because in my opinion that would affect the most change as for myself I am backing another candidate I did it to step away from partisanship. Like I said carry on. BTW you might want to spellcheck before posting. Just saying.

Ahhhh so glad that you agree I answered your question with my very first comment but I guess I had to spell it out for you again so you got it.. Because that is all I did!

I know very well why you said for people to vote 3rd party but the point you are STILL not quite grasping is that NOn of the above IS their choice! Or rather you just oitright refuse their democratic right (even though you apparently agree with voting as you do it) to CHOOSE! Instead YOU will make decisions for them because you are so super awesome! Lol

Oh please, not the spellcheck one suurely? For your information my keyboard is shot and Im forced to use my phone for now...

So after all of that you said absolutely nothing! What a waste of time you are...