Children to be taught 'heterosexuality not the norm' in Australian schools project

Originally posted by detachedindividual
1. Yes, I am gay. You're quite the Dr Holmes aren't you?

Ok

2. No, read the thread again because I think you missed the part where the OP suggested that homosexuality is not natural.

Well is it? You may think it is but a lot think not.

Violence is natural, yes. It obviously is because it exists in nature all around us. To say it's not natural is an oxymoron.

correct

But, violence is illegal, because it harms people. Like it or not, you are not permitted to physically harm others. What part of this are you not getting?

I get it..

Homosexuality is a natural state of sexuality. There is even evidence to suggest that it is transient, altering over time (for instance those in prison or the military often experience same sex encounters). The sexuality of one person has absolutely no bearing on anyone else. The fact that I have relationships with men is of absolutely no consequence to you at all. It doesn't affect your life in any way.

When people start pushing it down my childrens throats, then it does affect me and my life.

Violence, on the other hand, does! The fact that I have relationships with men is nothing to do with you. But you claiming the right to physically harm others clearly does affect all those around you.

I'm not claiming the right to physically harm others. I used it as an example as someone else did about himosexuality. I know physical abuse is wrong, next time I will use something else.

Let me try and put it this way for simplicity...
Homosexuality and violence toward others both exist in nature. Homosexuality doesn't harm or affect anyone. Violence against others obviously harms people, and therefore is illegal.

Do we finally get it? Have you worked out the difference between a person violently attacking another, and the act of loving the person you choose to love?

If you want to be a homosexual, congratulations. Don't push it in my childrens schooling system. I am straight and I would like my kids to be normal also.

Reading the whole thread is so amusing, it's almost better than watching Charlie Sheen in 2 & 1/2 men.

Seriously, I don't understand how some posters here are reacting like little ..., trying to compete against each other whom of them is the most anti-homophobic, as if anyone gives a damn about that.

The OP told you all that he "tolerates" gay's, even has gay friends, and you are flaming him how hypocritical and wrong he is. So if I "tolerate" but not accept homosexuals as normal I'm a homophobic?

If I am saying that I wanna have a traditional family with my wife, hoping to have biological grandchildren, I am homophobic when I tell my little boy that it's normal for him to be with a girl at some point?

Hypocrites, ..

Originally posted by DarknStormy


I'm not claiming the right to physically harm others. I used it as an example as someone else did about himosexuality. I know physical abuse is wrong, next time I will use something else.

Let me explain it to you

you tried to use a COMPARISON. but your comparison was poorly thought out and had numerous holes in it that lacked anything resembling logic.

If you wish to engage in debate next time use a comparison that makes sense.

reply to post by mc4denmark


They will learn and experience life themselves without having others influencing the way they feel about their sexuality. I send my kids to school to learn things like English, Maths, Science, History, How to write, Sing, Dance, Learn to play an instrument. Not to learn about Homosexuality and its beneifts to society.

Originally posted by absente
Reading the whole thread is so amusing, it's almost better than watching Charlie Sheen in 2 & 1/2 men.

Seriously, I don't understand how some posters here are reacting like little ..., trying to compete against each other whom of them is the most anti-homophobic, as if anyone gives a damn about that.

The OP told you all that he "tolerates" gay's, even has gay friends, and you are flaming him how hypocritical and wrong he is. So if I "tolerate" but not accept homosexuals as normal I'm a homophobic?

If I am saying that I wanna have a traditional family with my wife, hoping to have biological grandchildren, I am homophobic when I tell my little boy that it's normal for him to be with a girl at some point?

Hypocrites, ..

Well, that depens on whether or not your boy likes other boys or girls. If he likes boys, and you keep try telling him its normal to like girls, well then I would guess you would be a homofob, if he on the other hand likes girl, then its normal for him, both both ways is normal, because its all stored in the DNA and is not a choice.

reply to post by paganini


Don't use the "animal kingdom" to justify human homosexuality then. That is just ridiculous. If we had wings, paws, flippers it may make sense.

Originally posted by absente
Reading the whole thread is so amusing, it's almost better than watching Charlie Sheen in 2 & 1/2 men.

Seriously, I don't understand how some posters here are reacting like little ..., trying to compete against each other whom of them is the most anti-homophobic, as if anyone gives a damn about that.

Indeed on the flip side there are others who are being equally over dramatic

case in point this statement below here

Originally posted by absenteIf I am saying that I wanna have a traditional family with my wife, hoping to have biological grandchildren, I am homophobic when I tell my little boy that it's normal for him to be with a girl at some point?

I think both sides of the fence are full of drama queens.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by mc4denmark

 

They will learn and experience life themselves without having others influencing the way they feel about their sexuality. I send my kids to scholl to learn things like English, Maths, Science, History, How to write, Sing, Dance, Learn to play an instrument. Not to learn about Homosexuality and its beneifts to society.

All they do is informing your kids about why some likes girls and some likes boys, all they do is giving your offspring a bit of knowledge and maybe a better understanding. Who knows, some young gay kids might benefits from this and no longer think of them self as not normal. And the other kids would just go on, a little bit smarter than before.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by paganini

 

Don't use the "animal kingdom" to justify human homosexuality then. That is just ridiculous. If we had wings, paws, flippers it may make sense.

Lol but using the "animal kingdom" argument disproved everything you said.

If you cant understand that then just wow.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Here's the deal... state education is out of your hands. You want your kids to be educated and you don't want to do it yourself? Then you better get used to the idea of your kids learning actual facts.

- The 'facts' that a child should be learning in school are math, reading and science. Teaching what types of sexual orientation are 'okay' and what are not 'okay' is NOT what a public school should be getting into. They need to spend their time on the math, reading and science. Test scores for American children suck. Schools are spending too much time on the things that parents should be taking care of instead of spending it on actually teaching ...

- State education is in the hands of everyone in the state. The people vote on what they want and who they want on the school boards. PTA is there for a reason. Parents Taking Action. Parents are involved.

- We homeschooled until 5th grade. We started doing this because we lived in Alabama. The public schools where we were were at least a year behind academically where the schools in the rest of the country were. We didnt' do the private schools because they were all fundamentalist church schools and I didn't want my child being subjected to fundamentalist christianity.

- Not everyone can homeschool. Many families can't afford it. We were fortunate. We sacrificed a lot financially, but we did it. I think our daughter is much better for it. I recommend it for anyone who can do it.

Originally posted by paganini
Lol but using the "animal kingdom" argument disproved everything you said.

If you cant understand that then just wow.

edit on 22-10-2012 by paganini because: (no reason given)

So you use a stupid example to disprove a ridiculous response? next you will be saying homosexuals have four legs, sniff their own arses, eat chum and name themselves fido.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by detachedindividual
1. Yes, I am gay. You're quite the Dr Holmes aren't you?

Ok

If you want to be a homosexual, congratulations. Don't push it in my childrens schooling system. I am straight and I would like my kids to be normal also.

edit on 22-10-2012 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)

Sooooooooooo if one of kids turned out to gay, what a wonderful life they would have knowing thier parents no longer consider them "normal"
Stella parenting there,.. Well done you!

Originally posted by mc4denmark
All they do is informing your kids about why some likes girls and some likes boys, all they do is giving your offspring a bit of knowledge and maybe a better understanding.

Me and my ex-wife can do that? Don't they think we are good enough to teach our children? Same with racism and other belittling issues.

Who knows, some young gay kids might benefits from this and no longer think of them self as not normal. And the other kids would just go on, a little bit smarter than before.

Not really. They get smarter by learning things like Maths, English, Science, History.

Originally posted by OpenEars123
Sooooooooooo if one of kids turned out to gay, what a wonderful life they would have knowing thier parents no longer consider them "normal"
Stella parenting there,.. Well done you!

Let me get this straight... You actually think I would turn my daughter away if she told me she was a lesbian?

Do you have children?

My daughters can be who ever they choose to be without the influence of Homosexual pushing agendas. If she wants to be a homosexual and succeed in school, she has my backing 100%. Don't interfer with my childrens learning/confusing them.

reply to post by milkyway12


Well...

One could also see such an attack one's belief system and religion, as an act of faith.

Jesus would turn his other cheek when he was attacked. He would never use force to change tradition or way of life.
He would use love and patience.

It's sad, to see people, that consider themselves Christians, followers of Jesus, completely forget about his teachings. I hope these people will find back love and forgiveness.

Make love, not war... Peace

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by mc4denmark
All they do is informing your kids about why some likes girls and some likes boys, all they do is giving your offspring a bit of knowledge and maybe a better understanding.

Me and my ex-wife can do that? Don't they think we are good enough to teach our children? Same with racism and other belittling issues.

Who knows, some young gay kids might benefits from this and no longer think of them self as not normal. And the other kids would just go on, a little bit smarter than before.

Not really. They get smarter by learning things like Maths, English, Science, History.

Well, there are many forms for intelligence, math, writing and so on, but also morals, ethics, views on others than oneself and many more. I really can not see why they can learn about how sexuality differs from person to person. It can not change their sexuality anyways because its pre-programmed in their DNA.

I would think that many hate crimes and unnecessary violence would be solved if people grew up with a better understanding about the world around them

Originally posted by Wonderer2012

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Wonderer2012

Children to be taught 'heterosexuality not the norm' in Australian schools project

www.lifesitenews.com

Australian school children are to be told that heterosexuality is not the norm, according to a new education department pilot program called “Proud Schools.”

“Heterosexism” is one of the evils that the Proud Schools program is intended to stamp out, along with “homophobia and transphobia,” education officials have said. According to the minutes from the Proud Schools steering committee on March 22, 2011, the program focuses on reversing “the dominance of heterosexism rather than on homophobia.”

(visit the link for the full news article)

Now, you could actually check out what the program suggests instead of getting your "news" from nonsense sites like lifesitenews...because if you do, you'll realise they aren't saying heterosexuality isn't the norm.

It's a program aimed at decreasing homophobia...

edit on 21-10-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

No, I read some parts of the program and it is clearly saying sexual diversity is to be accepted.

It is telling children that sexuality does not matter, that all are equal.

Take from it what you will-

The program defines “heterosexism” as the practice of “positioning heterosexuality as the norm for human relationship,” according to the Proud Schools Consultation Report. “It involves ignoring, making invisible or discriminating against non-heterosexual people, their relationships and their interests. Heterosexism feeds homophobia.”

edit on 21-10-2012 by Wonderer2012 because: (no reason given)

And what should children be taught, that those who are different from them should be treated like second class citizens, like they are sub-human and abnormal, that they should be killed?

I'm not pro-gay, in fact I think the whole concept is disgusting. HOWEVER, I also believe that people have a right to be what they want to be. If someone is gay, then that is THEIR BUSINESS. It does not affect me what other peoples sexuality and sexual preferences are.
As long as they do not parade around with their ass cheeks on display and in over the top costumes "pushing" their sexuality on to the rest of society, WHO REALLY CARES WHAT THEY DO IN THEIR OWN PRIVATE TIME AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!!

I don't agree with their choices, but I agree that they have the same RIGHTS and FREEDOMS that the rest of us do.

And that should also apply to marriage. They should be allowed to be married in civil ceremonies, recognized by the state like hetero marriages.
If different religious denominations decide to accept gay marriage in their churches, then so be it. But it should not be forced upon anyone, governments should simply allow for civil unions of homosexual people.

Let's face it. They aren't going to dissapear.
They are here, they aren't going anywhere, therefore we may as well accept that there are homosexual people in society.

There's no reason to treat them any differently to anyone else.


Just like children are taught about tolerance of different races and faiths, they should also be taught about tolerance of people with different sexual preferences. At what age is what should be debatable however. IMO, it should be done at the same time that sex education is being taught.
Sex education should also incorporate safe sex practices etc for homosexuals, because whether people like to admit it or not, there are young teenagers who ARE homosexuals or bi-sexual, or unsure about their sexuality or curious enough to try something with the same sex.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by OpenEars123
Sooooooooooo if one of kids turned out to gay, what a wonderful life they would have knowing thier parents no longer consider them "normal"
Stella parenting there,.. Well done you!

Let me get this straight... You actually think I would turn my daughter away if she told me she was a lesbian?

No you didn't get it straight, and I didn't say that.

You blatantly said you don't want your kids to be educated about homosexuality at school, which is where children learn. (see your above post) Because you would rather them live a "normal life" (see your above post) Which indicates clearly that you oppose homosexuality, and that you have no doubt indoctrinated your children feel the same way.
Which in turn means they "know" you consider it to be abnormal. Which in turn, means it would be "very" unlikely that they would come to you and say they were gay if they were, they would more than likely hide it which would ultimately lead to their unhappiness.
Don't try to put words in my mouth.

reply to post by detachedindividual

Homosexuality is a natural state of sexuality.

And humans actually do have something called free will or free choice to be anything they want to be.

It would be more apt to suggest that humans are actually Bisexual and make a choice based on survival instincts.

Meaning that from the get go.. humans are not concerned with what sex they are attracted to, but rather conditioned or educated into assuming their own belief systems and the rationalization of emotions thus, gravitating towards a like minded individual.

Hence, diverse sexuality and belief systems in a modern society.

Originally posted by mc4denmark
Well, there are many forms for intelligence, math, writing and so on, but also morals, ethics, views on others than oneself and many more. I really can not see why they can learn about how sexuality differs from person to person. It can not change their sexuality anyways because its pre-programmed in their DNA.

I would think that many hate crimes and unnecessary violence would be solved if people grew up with a better understanding about the world around them

In this day/age, it is a battle just to get to university with the systems in place right now. When you start adding this crap to the educational system, it takes away from the things they should be learning to further their knowledge. Parents should be responsible and teaching their children at home about those issues, Homosexuality, Racism (which I have already encountered and dealt with), and other issues. Maybe they should create a subject called Homosexuality and then give our hard working children a diploma for it.