Obama Executive Order: Allows Seizure of Americans' Bank Accounts

Well, I only have six days of food stored. I can feed my whole family and a lot of their friends for six days I don't have rifles, they are antiques I respect the armed forces and police, I don't think much of the local FBI agency though, they aren't interested in helping regular people here, I honestly don't know what they are even doing here. Most people in the UP have guns, many handed down from their parents, we use them for deer hunting and bears that are tearing through our walls. We shoot squirrels that are chewing everything up and need them for keeping the packs of coyotes from getting our pets and chickens. A big part of our Economy here is based on deer hunting, take away our guns and we will go into a severe recession. It costs a lot of money to go deer hunting, with all the gear and food, not to mention the beer. Restaurants and taverns make a lot of money during deer hunting. The women go out and spend a lot when their husbands are gone, projects have to be done before hunting season or wives get crabby, I had so much work before hunting season that I never got much time off to hunt. So the government wants to destroy the local economy? I can't understand their intentions.

Maybe they want to increase the jobless rate up here or something.

Obama and the US Democratic party are actually secret Chinese communist Marxist socialist Muslims trying to steal money from everyone's bank accounts, and of course take away all of your freedoms! They also work part-time for the secret world government and the UN. Now I have to go and polish my gun collection and get ready for the invasion.

Paper money is just a convenience and like any other convenience it comes with high unnoticed costs.

Sure, it's nice to have the trash man come every week and haul your refuse away but if you take the time to look into the crony deals the carriers make with the municipality who turns the guns of the police toward you to collect the fee for that convenience suddenly it's not so convenient.

You realize you could do it yourself for far less with just a little extra effort and enjoy the comfort that comes with not living under fear of strikes, fee increases and that gun to your head.

Paper money is like that. It seems convenient but the cost of that convenience is outrageous. Not only is it convenient in paying debts it is convenient for imposing and collecting debts.

You think the taxing entity would be so quick to tax then waste and squander that extorted funding if it was paid in product rather than paper money? It wouldnt even bother for much of the bloated nonsense it decrees as necessary.

Get used to living without it and whenever you can use it as a last resort.

Barter time, skills, product. Dont purchase anything you dont absolutely have to. Stop using services you dont need. Cancel all the utilities you can.

When they come to take all you have have nothing they can take.

reply to post by jimmyx

THANKS, i thought i would have had to point that out.....the OP is completely off-base, obama IS NOT coming after any americans bank account, unless you are sending money to iran or syria

I understand your opinion and I appreciate it.
I'll say one word. It should be enough for you.
Guantanamo.
You really think only 'bad guys' and 'terrorists' are there?
My point.
There are FAR TOO MANY loopholes for 'regular citizens' to fall under these 'rules'.
Again - if you're going to sacrifice freedom for safety you deserve neither.

peace - and really - I honestly understand your point and I do agree with you - but...

reply to post by syrinx2112

United States person? What happened to the term US Citizen? I'm referencing the term used in the end ecutive order.

And what is a sanctioned person? With NDAA in affect, I guess any US Person/citizen can be considered a *sanctioned person*.

Basically if you are considered a sanctioned person by either of the powers listed in the ex order, and then all that is yours is now gov owned... Then it talks about dealings with Iran further down, but not on the top part..

Thank you.

I went on to explain who 'sanctioned' people are. ANYONE who's suspicious - anyone. Texting privately in public. Having a missing finger. Having more than 7 days worth of food in your home, etc.

I also feel regretful for those who really think this is just for those in the USA who're helping 'terrorists'. They need to wake the hell up.

peace

reply to post by silo13


Where did you find the definition for "sanctioned person" I've been looking around and can't find it. I'm interested in reading it in full, and in context.

reply to post by silo13


There are no loopholes, read the order. You have to be giving money to the Iranian government.

reply to post by syrinx2112

United States person? What happened to the term US Citizen? I'm referencing the term used in the end ecutive order.

There are a ton of legal residents here in the USA that are not a US citizen.

Originally posted by 3chainz
reply to post by silo13

 

There are no loopholes, read the order. You have to be giving money to the Iranian government.

I see the bottom part using the word "IRAN", but not in the top part. The title has it, middle doesn't and the end does have the word IRAN in it.

And why such ambiguous terms with no definition to them in the middle part where there is no mention of IRAN and btw, the word "foreign" is used?

Man, your 4th cousin could sell some kid toys to an Iranian citizen in Iran, and with NDAA and this executive order, put the two together, the gov says they have a right to detain you and seize your assets...

reply to post by silo13


Good post with good information. But if O'bama suspended the elections, I believe many of us would revolt against the Administration. Call it a rebellion, call it a revolution, etc. I call it Restoring the Constitution.

The true test will be with the police and security forces. That's where the physical battles will be fought when We the People finally obtain enough ba11s to WALK INTO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS OFFICE AND TELL THEM THAT THEY ARE UNDER ARREST FOR TREASON, FRAUD....and wire fraud. Hey, politicians use the mail, too, right?

So let's kick the pot smokers out of jail and replace them with FINANCIAL terrorist, known in this Country as politicians.

Lima-1, poppin' smoke.

Originally posted by 3chainz
reply to post by syrinx2112

 

United States person? What happened to the term US Citizen? I'm referencing the term used in the end ecutive order.

There are a ton of legal residents here in the USA that are not a US citizen.

Huh? You become a US citizen either at birth or after, either way the end result is being a US citizen.

legal residents = us citizen..

Again the end result of either from birth or after birth is US citizen.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by silo13

 

[...] Now, in some bizarre and Orwellian twist of fate, here we are, four years later, with Bush forgotten, blaming Obama, and with folks clamoring for Romney - because he will be the guy to set things right. [...]


~Heff

Even though I had drawn up the same conclusions, I have to ask you and everyone "clamoring for Romney:"

Who here thinks Romney is going to do anything remotely positive for this Country?

Lima-1, out.

reply to post by syrinx2112

legal residents = us citizen..

No. Are you forgetting about immigrants?

You do not come an American citizen as soon as you get a green card. You have to apply for citizenship then take a test. If you pass it you then become a citizen...until then you are nothing more than a permanent legal resident.

United States lawful permanent residency refers to a person's immigration status: the person is authorized to live and work in the United States of America on a permanent basis.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by OperationIraqiFailure
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Even though I had drawn up the same conclusions, I have to ask you and everyone "clamoring for Romney:"

Who here thinks Romney is going to do anything remotely positive for this Country?

Lima-1, out.

Put it in the record books!!! I've been seen as "clamoring for Romney"! I have achieved true non partisanship!

My point was that Romney will do nothing differently. As for clamoring? I've given up on politics and am now sort of considering becoming a 2012'er. I figure Niburu is more likely, at this point, than an honest POTUS.

~Heff

I just finished pricing out silver coins before I saw this thread.

Just looking! I didn't get any! Promise, I was just LOOKING at them!
Are they watching us? Is that how they do it?

I think I'm safe I still have all of my fingers in my Avatar.

Maybe we should all change our Avatars showing we have all of our fingers.

Originally posted by 3chainz
reply to post by syrinx2112

 

legal residents = us citizen..

No. Are you forgetting about immigrants?

You do not come an American citizen as soon as you get a green card. You have to apply for citizenship then take a test. If you pass it you then become a citizen...until then you are nothing more than a permanent legal resident.

United States lawful permanent residency refers to a person's immigration status: the person is authorized to live and work in the United States of America on a permanent basis.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 16-10-2012 by 3chainz because: (no reason given)

I see your point dude... People who are here under some type of work/visit visa, they are legal with papers but are not citizens. I see your point dude.

reply to post by syrinx2112

I see the bottom part using the word "IRAN", but not in the top part. The title has it, middle doesn't and the end does have the word IRAN in it.

No. The order says people messing with Iranian government, just not in those words.

What it says;

Section 1. (a) When the President, or the Secretary of State or the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to authority delegated by the President and in accordance with the terms of such delegation, has determined that sanctions shall be imposed on a person pursuant to ISA, CISADA, or ITRSHRA and has, in accordance with those authorities, selected one or more of the sanctions set forth in section 6 of ISA to impose on that person, the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall take the following actions with respect to the sanctions selected and maintained by the President, the Secretary of State, or the Secretary of the Treasury:

What is CISADA? The treasury dept sect that deals with only the sanctions on IRAN.

As you can see here;

The CISADA was enacted July 1, 2010, soon after the United Nations Security Council adopted Resolution 1929, the fourth U.N. resolution imposing binding legal obligations and sanctions on Iran.

www.treasury.gov...

(ITRSHRA), which amends the Iran Sanctions Act of 1996

The government has LONG been able to seize the assets of an individual or corporation suspected of doing business with those that they are forbidden from dealing with. The haters are getting their panties in a wad about this, jumping up and down and screaming about it as if it is something new.

News flash - its not.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by silo13

 

Four years back there was a great clamor about Bush declaring martial law and suspending elections as well. Additionally he also had the power to seize assets under the Patriot Act. These are not Obama related things. They are the new status quo since we all watched two towers fall, thousands die, and let our mourning be forged into Patriotic anger.

Now, nearly twelve years and two empty wars later - all we have to show for it is a laundry list of lost rights, countless dead, on both sides, and two opportunities to say "We got him".

Obama got voted in because people believed he'd reverse the Bush/Cheney doctrine and repeal the Patriot Acts and the Military Commissions act of 2006. Instead he not only kept them, he added more wood to the fire. Now, in some bizarre and Orwellian twist of fate, here we are, four years later, with Bush forgotten, blaming Obama, and with folks clamoring for Romney - because he will be the guy to set things right.

It's not going to happen. If elected, he will do the same thing as Obama did. He'll keep the status quo alive and well. He will pursue the agenda and the plan - just as his two predecessors did. This is the truth of things.

If we want true change we can't focus on the POTUS. We need to focus upon Congress. Term limits for the House and the Senate, a full banning of the system of bribery we call "lobbying", and much more stern rules regarding ethics and transparency for them all.

Until we do those things? The status quo will remain and nothing will change no matter who is in the White House.

~Heff

But, you ARE voting Obama, right?

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by silo13

 

Four years back there was a great clamor about Bush declaring martial law and suspending elections as well. Additionally he also had the power to seize assets under the Patriot Act. These are not Obama related things. They are the new status quo since we all watched two towers fall, thousands die, and let our mourning be forged into Patriotic anger.

Now, nearly twelve years and two empty wars later - all we have to show for it is a laundry list of lost rights, countless dead, on both sides, and two opportunities to say "We got him".

Obama got voted in because people believed he'd reverse the Bush/Cheney doctrine and repeal the Patriot Acts and the Military Commissions act of 2006. Instead he not only kept them, he added more wood to the fire. Now, in some bizarre and Orwellian twist of fate, here we are, four years later, with Bush forgotten, blaming Obama, and with folks clamoring for Romney - because he will be the guy to set things right.

It's not going to happen. If elected, he will do the same thing as Obama did. He'll keep the status quo alive and well. He will pursue the agenda and the plan - just as his two predecessors did. This is the truth of things.

If we want true change we can't focus on the POTUS. We need to focus upon Congress. Term limits for the House and the Senate, a full banning of the system of bribery we call "lobbying", and much more stern rules regarding ethics and transparency for them all.

Until we do those things? The status quo will remain and nothing will change no matter who is in the White House.

~Heff

Thankyou Heff... I could not have said it better myself. How do we continue this insanity every four years?
Are we all blind, stupid or have no memory of the past? How do we keep doing the same thing every four years
and each time the same things happen! Obama was no different then Bush, Bush was no different then Clinton and Clinton was no different then Bush seinor! How many more synchophant puppets can we stand before we are all at each others throats? Unless you are in the one percent then you will not benefit from any election where republicans or democrats are elected! If you think you will then you probably still believe wrestling is real!
If you know it's fake then i will let you in on a well known secret, politicians are like wrestlers because they pretend to be one thing but its all an act to get the crowd to believe otherwise, to enlist participation and to make them feel as if they are involved! I really feel deep down we all know this but we continue to talk as if it's some sort of sport! I'll be honest with you i've never been into sports and this could be the reason why i've always had a honest perspective on politics! Maybe we need to start to be honest with ourselves about the competitive urge to be part of the winning team in all things! If we really knew the score would we really be so intent to support these liars who are there just to support their masters agenda! I am pretty sure you will all ignore these truths
but when we are all starving, homeless or worse just remember we are the only ones we need blame!