Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Rosicrucianism, and UFOs

a reply to: Erno86

That's a vast, and poorly informed oversimplification.

But yes, indeed, nearly anyone who is really bright and innovative is at risk of working for the government
or IC at some point.

a reply to: Specimen

Iv'e read every book ever published by GK and some of his private journals
too. He wrote some of the best publicly available info on Kundalini ever..
but it's just step one. But he was indeed a spiritual genius. No question.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


I've had personal run-ins with the late J. Allen Hynek myself...and I came away not being impressed with the man.

a reply to: Erno86

Well I won't argue that.

He wasn't particularly honest.

You know.. pentacle memorandum and all.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


You can see the results of the religious ufological propaganda, that Hynek and Vallee have spewed over the years, with the majority of the Christian Evangelical leadership wholly embracing Vallee's demonic B.S. views to the ET's.

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


You can see the results of the religious ufological propaganda, that Hynek and Vallee have spewed over the years, with the majority of the Christian Evangelical leadership wholly embracing Vallee's demonic B.S. views to the ET's.

You appear to understand NOTHING about Vallee's work. But i grant you, he is misquoted and misunderstood.

The propaganda that's part of UFOlogy is that physical craft exist.. or that the craft are really demons.
Both are pure, unsupported nonsense.

If you research it, (like MM & Gut have and others), you can catch the IC and occult groups "at it"
red handed.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


You can see the results of the religious ufological propaganda, that Hynek and Vallee have spewed over the years, with the majority of the Christian Evangelical leadership wholly embracing Vallee's demonic B.S. views to the ET's.

You appear to understand NOTHING about Vallee's work. But i grant you, he is misquoted and misunderstood.

The propaganda that's part of UFOlogy is that physical craft exist.. or that the craft are really demons.
Both are pure, unsupported nonsense.


If you research it, (like MM & Gut have and others), you can catch the IC and occult groups "at it"
red handed.

Kev

I know physical ET craft exist, because I've seen an aerial ET craft in our atmosphere; and I've also on-site investigated a previously vacated UFO landing area, with evidence of said landing.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


You can see the results of the religious ufological propaganda, that Hynek and Vallee have spewed over the years, with the majority of the Christian Evangelical leadership wholly embracing Vallee's demonic B.S. views to the ET's.

You appear to understand NOTHING about Vallee's work. But i grant you, he is misquoted and misunderstood.

The propaganda that's part of UFOlogy is that physical craft exist.. or that the craft are really demons.
Both are pure, unsupported nonsense.


If you research it, (like MM & Gut have and others), you can catch the IC and occult groups "at it"
red handed.

Kev

I know physical ET craft exist, because I've seen an aerial ET craft in our atmosphere; and I've also on-site investigated a previously vacated UFO landing area, with evidence of said landing.

I know your opinion on this.

On your point number one:

I believe that you saw something... but you don't have x-ray eyes and a diffraction spectroscope and
other scientific instruments installed into your eye socket/brain --- so you are just making an assumption.

On your point number two:

Depressions and such are common, there are hundreds of cases where non-material effects
leave such marks. An entire DB of them actually.

So you have your opinion and as you've said, nobody on Earth seems to care about your
opinion.. and you've been hurt about it all these years.

I empathize. I really do. I've been in a similar situation more than once.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


You can see the results of the religious ufological propaganda, that Hynek and Vallee have spewed over the years, with the majority of the Christian Evangelical leadership wholly embracing Vallee's demonic B.S. views to the ET's.

You appear to understand NOTHING about Vallee's work. But i grant you, he is misquoted and misunderstood.

The propaganda that's part of UFOlogy is that physical craft exist.. or that the craft are really demons.
Both are pure, unsupported nonsense.


If you research it, (like MM & Gut have and others), you can catch the IC and occult groups "at it"
red handed.

Kev

I know physical ET craft exist, because I've seen an aerial ET craft in our atmosphere; and I've also on-site investigated a previously vacated UFO landing area, with evidence of said landing.

I know your opinion on this.

On your point number one:

I believe that you saw something... but you don't have x-ray eyes and a diffraction spectroscope and
other scientific instruments installed into your eye socket/brain --- so you are just making an assumption.

On your point number two:

Depressions and such are common, there are hundreds of cases where non-material effects
leave such marks. An entire DB of them actually.

So you have your opinion and as you've said, nobody on Earth seems to care about your
opinion.. and you've been hurt about it all these years.

I empathize. I really do. I've been in a similar situation more than once.

Kev

I've never said that: "nobody on Earth seems to care about" my "opinion" --- or that I've "been hurt about it all those years" --- But I admit that I've been a bit perplexed at times, over the lack of understanding about the UFO enigma by some people.

Other that that...I have a distinct revulsion to people who peddle and propagandize this UFO/ET = demonology bull crap!!!

a reply to: Erno86

Erno, maybe you are an 'experiencer' with UAP. Why does it necessarily have to be ET?

a reply to: Erno86

We agree that UFO propaganda is a terrible thing.

Kev

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Erno86

Erno, maybe you are an 'experiencer' with UAP. Why does it necessarily have to be ET?

Because I'm also in possession of purported ET alien pictures, that I photographed in the summer of 1972 (on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake Bay), that Hynek so welcomed to trash.

I also had telepathic contact (no voices in my mind...just a sense of his lordship's presence) with the ET, between my two foo fighter sightings, that night in November, 1976; approximately 40 miles west of Washington D.C. .

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Erno86

Erno, maybe you are an 'experiencer' with UAP. Why does it necessarily have to be ET?

Because I'm also in possession of purported ET alien pictures, that I photographed in the summer of 1972 (on the Western Shore of the Chesapeake Bay), that Hynek so welcomed to trash.

That means exactly nothing too.

UAP are detected on radar all the time... and radar is just a slightly different frequency than
visible light.

But even if it wasn't a UAP, that doesn't mean it was an "alien craft".

All any of us can conclude is that we seem to have seen something, or experienced something,
or even have pictures of something.

Kev

originally posted by: Erno86
I also had telepathic contact (no voices in my mind...just a sense of his lordship's presence) with the ET, between my two foo fighter sightings, that night in November, 1976; approximately 40 miles west of Washington D.C. .

"his lordship"?

A lot of people have "telepathic contact" with their UAP. I did as well.

That "contact" really messed me up for a long time.. just like it usually does others too..
causing them to rant about their experience until they die.

It's a known side-effect.

What really 'got my goat' about J. Allen Hynek: Was when after I sent him my two 8" x 10" ET alien photographs...he unfortunately passed away about 6 months later. His successor to CUFOS, then sent me a letter describing that he read my letter that I sent to Hynek (along with my two ET alien photographs), only that my ET alien pictures were missing, and he ask me if I could please mail him another set of the ET alien pictures that I originally sent to Hynek.

I just threw my hands up to the whole shebang, and never responded back to CUFOS again.

a reply to: Erno86

It's known that most UFO "investigations" are pure "cover".

If you take it personally, you will continue to suffer.

Don't tell me you aren't suffering.. you've been acting frustrated
and angry and going on about this one, low-quality incident that
happened all these years ago, since I joined in 2013.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Like I said before: 'Never trust a CIA spook' - i.e. - the late J. Allen Hynek & Jacques Vallee

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Like I said before: 'Never trust a spook' - i.e. - the late J. Allen Hynek & Jacques Vallee

That in no way validates anything about your baseless assumptions.

And ranting about one of the father's of the Internet, a man who risked his entire career
(and maybe life) by sharing the pentacle memorandum, and a friend of mine...

That doesn't accomplish anything.

Kev

www.strangemag.com...

Even when caught red-handed, the myths never die completely.

Kev

PPS:

Case in point:

www.abovetopsecret.com...