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4.) They are tied to the hip with intelligence factions and their prime directive(s) include ufological deception.
Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Hi The Gut,
Just thought I'd let you know that I've (finally) turned to focusing on researching and writing a thread which touches on The Aviary.
I'm still polishing up another thread (on Astronomers and UFOs) that I've been working on for, well, ages but there isn't much more research to do done on that project. It's just a matter of shorting out notes for a thread which (even by my standards...) is likely to be fairly lengthy.
While doing the rather tedious work of sorting out those notes, I've started getting stuck into the more interesting research involved in trying to understand various issues which involve looking at several of the people involved in The Aviary. I'll probably be bothering you shortly to compare notes.
From initial explorations in the last few weeks of a few issues that I've noted over the years, I'm fairly sure that I'll shortly have some material that you and some other members of ATS will find interesting.
Originally posted by Gazrok
4.) They are tied to the hip with intelligence factions and their prime directive(s) include ufological deception.
bing! bing! bing!
At least that's my answer. On the plus side though, in their efforts, I think they also have some real information that came out also, even if it was only to bolster their claims. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.....
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by iforget
This is the part that makes me lean towards deception and not official disclosure, though I wish it otherwise. To me it seems counterproductive to instill the fears and then attempt to dispel them with the truth...
Yep, the "fear" part doesn't make a lot of sense, although I guess it could be argued. But if it's "deception" for reasons other than disclosure--and I personally lean that way--and if Dr. Green wouldn't seem a likely candidate to pooh where he eats, then what might that deception mean, eh?
Thanks.
Originally posted by OkabeRintaro
I'm going to dig through the thread again, over the next few days, but does anyone recall if Michael Persinger was mentioned earlier? Persinger seems to be another one of these particularly interesting players: a 'hard science' guy with real academic credentials and some important mainstream research (like Vallee) who has since allowed himself to be pidgeonholed into the fringe, and Vallee's statements about microwaves and flashing lights being the source of undirected hallucinations in the 1977 interview seem to be a reference to Persinger's idea...
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by OkabeRintaro
I'm going to dig through the thread again, over the next few days, but does anyone recall if Michael Persinger was mentioned earlier? Persinger seems to be another one of these particularly interesting players: a 'hard science' guy with real academic credentials and some important mainstream research (like Vallee) who has since allowed himself to be pidgeonholed into the fringe, and Vallee's statements about microwaves and flashing lights being the source of undirected hallucinations in the 1977 interview seem to be a reference to Persinger's idea...
I'm almost certain I referenced Persinger here...I'll try and find it. Of course, as you allude, Persinger is another player that crosses paths with all the other "weird science" guys here over and over again from the 70's up to this day.
I know that Persinger was working closely with Scientologist prodigy and RV pioneer Ingo Swann just a few years ago. EM effects seem to be such a large part of this saga...do you have any further thoughts on that, Okabe, and how it might relate to the issues addressed here and ufology in general?
I'm still processing your excellent observations and will comment on them as we go along. In the meantime; any links you might have that you feel are "educational" will also be greatly appreciated, as is the fresh blood you are pumping into this topic.
Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by OkabeRintaro
The transistor was first constructed successfully in 1947 and by 1948 the name "transistor" was coined. By 1953 the transistor was being used in commercial products.
I don't believe it, but I have heard the supposition that the first transistor was inspired by the findings at Roswell; after all, the year is quite coincidental.
To some extent, this is arbitrary, but we might date the origins of spook money to the end of World War II. You ever heard of a guy called Ed Lansdale?
Didn’t think so.
According to Sterling Seagrave, Lansdale was sent by General Charles Willoughby to the Philippines after the war. Lansdale “joined the torture sessions of Major Kojima Kashii “as an observer and participant”. As Seagrave explains: “Since Yama#a had arrived from Manchuria in October 1944 to take over the defense of the Philippines, Kojima had driven him everywhere.”
In charge of Kojima’s torture was an intelligence officer named Severino Garcia Diaz Santa Romana (Santy). He wanted Major Kojima to reveal each place to which he had taken General Tomoyuki Yama#a, where bullion and other treasure were hidden.” Ray Cline argues that between 1945 and 1947 the gold bullion recovered by Santy and Lansdale was moved by ship to 176 accounts at banks in 42 countries. Robert Anderson and CIA agent Paul Helliwell set up these black gold accounts “providing money for political action funds throughout the noncommunist world.“
The story goes that MacArthur sent him directly to Truman to tell him about the gold the Japanese had amassed through their unrivalled theft operation in mainland Asia -gold that had never been included in the total estimate of world gold. (A dodgy number, anyway. The Vatican Bank estimates a much higher volume of world gold reserves than the Fed. That would be the same Vatican Bank that stashed the Japanese emperor’s gold at the end of the war.)