All 9 people injured in Friday's shooting near the Empire State Building were wounded by Police

reply to post by Montana


Don't make up lies please.

Watch the video I posted on page 1 of this thread.

It shows the gunman walking hastily down the street and then, as two pursuing cops approach him he turns and pulls out the gun.

The cops aren't crazed, watch their reactions on the video. They crap themselves initially, as would any normal human would do when someone points a gun at you.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
But, I thought having more guns at a scene of a shooting would keep people safe???

These are trained police officers...and even they can't control their gunfire in broad daylight. Can you imagine if 5-10 people were armed in Aurora inside a smokey dark movie theater???

Some people want you to believe that if other people were armed, they would have taken down the shooter with one clean shot and been the hero...I think this pretty much proves them wrong.

Stop you are cracking me up with that bull.

They are obviously not trained to shoot a gun at all.

reply to post by AlphaHawk


You are correct, the cops weren't crazed. They slowly and methodically fired their weapons 16 times, hitting the man 10 times and innocent civilians 3 times. Shrapnel from other misses wounded an additional 6 civilians. He never fired at them.

You are correct, he was walking 'hastily' away. Have you ever walked down a street in New York? I see others walking just as fast in that video. That is not an uncommon speed. Certainly not strange enough to trigger a panicked response from the officers in my opinion.

The officers weren't chasing the man down, they were responding to the calls from a construction worker. There was no firefight, they had no idea of what had occurred around the corner and the man never fired his weapon at anyone other than the person he intended to murder.

Is there anything that I posted that you feel was incorrect? I have just as much right to interpret what I see as you do, but I won't call you a liar for your interpretation.

reply to post by Montana

Certainly not strange enough to trigger a panicked response from the officers in my opinion.

How about the # gun he pulled out? That's enough for me.

The officers weren't chasing the man down, they were responding to the calls from a construction worker. There was no firefight, they had no idea of what had occurred around the corner and the man never fired his weapon at anyone other than the person he intended to murder.

How about the gun he pulled out? Did you notice the gun he pulled out? What part of he pulled a # gun on the cops do you not understand?

9 shots omg, i question the city's police's ability to fire a weapon. 9 dam shots 9 people hurt, poorly trained cops 9 shots just dam.

this is what happens with panic and poor training. 9 people, could have been your child. Still feel safe out side...?

reply to post by DenyObfuscation


(Some) of the witnesses on the scene report that the man did not "pull a gun" on the LEOs. They say that he loosely held the gun out in his hand.NO ONE claims the man ever shot at anyone other than the person he murdered. The police themselves officially claim that the man " never attempted to fire on the officers".

But you go right ahead and justify the wanton endangerment of civilian lives these LEOs exibited. I am not so concerned about the murderer, he was dead as soon as he pulled the trigger on his victim. But I find the wounds inflicted on innocent civilians by those LEOs to be completely unacceptable and reprehensible.

I expect more from a trained, uniformed law enforcement officer. Much more.

reply to post by Montana

(Some) of the witnesses on the scene report that the man did not "pull a gun" on the LEOs. They say that he loosely held the gun out in his hand.

Irrelevant. He had a gun in his hand that he chose to pull out. It didn't have to be pulled out.

Should they have waited for his attorney to arrive before taking action? He pulled a gun on the cops. Game over.

NYC might be a little safer if they just worried more about the marksmanship training program for "New York’s Finest" than worrying about how much salt is in the food of the homeless or how big the soft drinks are.

Or even maybe Chuck Schumer can get involved in this issue rather than what the gun laws are in my State?

Where is his outrage - I am waiting for him to chime in about "gun-control" for police.

Seems they have a trifecta of issues, poor marksmanship, poor trigger discipline, and poor muzzle control...

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation


Should they have waited for his attorney to arrive before taking action? He pulled a gun on the cops. Game over.

If the man wasn't shooting anyone, they should have waited until they were old and gray and had to be helped home by their grandchildren BEFORE THEY WOUNDED NINE INNOCENT CIVILIANS!

Originally posted by Montana

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation


Should they have waited for his attorney to arrive before taking action? He pulled a gun on the cops. Game over.

If the man wasn't shooting anyone, they should have waited until they were old and gray and had to be helped home by their grandchildren BEFORE THEY WOUNDED NINE INNOCENT CIVILIANS!

Anytime you are in such a situation you are welcome to take that chance. I will not fault the officers for taking action. That is my point with you. Marksmanship is a separate issue. I believe they were justified in their actions. I can't expect them to wait until fired upon. That is absurd.

reply to post by Montana


Their response was due to him pointing a gun at them.

Can see it clear as day.

Well, I'll give you points for persistence! If you want to believe that small smudge is a gun more power to you! I wish you well in your self-justifying police state. I'll just disagree and bow out. Good night.

An armed populace is a bullet riddled populace.
Thank god there were people there with guns to stop this man from uh...oh he killed the guy he wanted to kill right? Then the cops showed up and shot 9 other people because shooting in crowds is always a good idea.
Awesome awesome story for the argument for more guns in crowded places.

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by Montana

 

Their response was due to him pointing a gun at them.

Can see it clear as day.

So more than one cop shot several times into a crowd.
Is that the leap in logic we are trying to make here?

reply to post by Endorra


Unreal isnt it.

Two / three days ago there was a story posted on here about police officers shooting a lady in her back garden whilst they were "searching for a man in a ski mask".... this story also highlighted the sheer incompetence of the (supposedly) trained officers.

Now they are opening fire into crowds of people ?

Soon enough people will be attacking the police at this rate , but hey , maybe that`s what they want.

Originally posted by filosophia
I guess they're right, guns are dangerous, better take them away from the cops.

Doesn't New York have a gun ban? How did this disgruntle get a gun?

That is an extremely good question! Some here think that all Americans should give up there guns so only the authorities and criminals should have them! Does anyone(or two, or more) people stand out here to you! I wonder if some of our posters here are not government or employed by the government!

Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by Nite_wing

 

I agree with you. No one stands in the middle of a fire fight.

The only problem is that in this case, there WAS NO FIREFIGHT. The man never fired on the officers. The police even confirmed that the man never attempted to fire on them. This was not a case of stopping a crazed man shooting at innocent bystanders. This is a case of LEOs becoming crazed and shooting into innocent bystanders while killing a man they had heard might have committed a murder. They did not know he had murdered, they had not even seen a body. They had not chased the man down. He wasn't even running.

There is a difference.

A radio dispatch saying an armed man had committed a murder is probable cause. If the man is described and is is armed and just commited a murder he is dangerous. I have been in a position similar. The only difference is there weren't other people around. You call them crazed and you have no idea of their situation nor have you ever been in their situation. Unlike your Xbox, there is no reset. Until you stand behind a badge, you have no right to judge them without the facts instead of propaganda from the MSM.

This is a contrived event/story designed to send a message.
Ask yourself what message, and why.

It is all building towards a purposeful crescendo.

The West will be destroyed from within (as per their age-old plan).

The East is where it's at.

Mark my words! Remember November 2012.

reply to post by Nite_wing


Trained police injured 9 people...but you think armed civilians would have had no problem.

I love how pro-gun people think they are all Rambo.

reply to post by tvtexan


Well that would go along with police in England not carrying guns... I was just talking about that tonight with family.