All 9 people injured in Friday's shooting near the Empire State Building were wounded by Police

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Relax man, i never said you were 13 or implied it. But would you beleive everyone on the internet that claimed to be in spec ops? 9/10 of them are probably lying but i should take your word because you have a patch as your avatar?

Say trigger discipline and more fancy words to make sure everyone know you are actually military and not faking it. Other strangers couldnt possibly understand these concepts without your back ground. Thank god you are here to explain it to us.

As with any other story that is portrayed by the media, I'm sure there are details missing. Should I give the story the benefit of the doubt and believe that two cops were just that dumb and shot their weapon that many times? It's not impossible, hell, they could have been rookies who panicked. I'm sure even with all the training most of you would panic, too. I'm going searching for more details on this before passing judgement.

Originally posted by maxella1
What makes you think they had a chance to chase the perp?

I watched them follow the perp toward the crowd for several paces that is what I refer as the chase. I think in law enforcement parlance it is known as a foot pursuit - the distance of the pursuit is irrelevant.

Originally posted by maxella1
The guy pulled a gun on them and prior to that he killed a person. If the cops wouldn't open fire rightaway -- the perp would.

First of all how long had the guy been on the street before the two "heroes" arrived?

He didn't fire at anyone else in all that time. It’s fairly clear he had one target in mind that day not a rampage.

Regardless, we are not communicating well - I accept my part in that.

So, one more time and simply stated - I have zero problem with them opening fire on the suspect. ZERO.

I have a problem with them missing at minimal range and responding with an inaccurate heavy volume of fire rather than well aimed shots. Personally, beat cop, soldier or boy scout; I don't think that too much to expect.

Originally posted by maxella1
You are right about the trigger discipline, it’s just that in this incident they did what they had to do.

In this incident they panicked and fired simple as that.

They fired more shots than necessary and as a result NYC taxpayers will be on the hook for damages. They committed the action but really suffer no adverse consequences. Pretty nice gig if you can get it. In both cases others bear the burden of their poor performance/choices.

I would bet you (while we will likely never know) that at some point behind closed doors one of their supervisors in the chain is going to tell these two cops the exact same thing. Then they will walk out and he will defend them publicly to the point of preposterousness.

Cops do that because they never know when they might be the one to make a mistake so they cover for each other even when they are dead wrong. One can only hope when the "blue line" clause is invoked their conscience will at least nag at them and the next time they will not be so quick on the trigger.

Just to be fair so no one chimes in with it - same thing happens in the military and many other professions.

Behind closed doors - truth. In public, the Soldiers (or whomever) are supported unless it’s one of those black and white things on video that no one can dispute.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
But, I thought having more guns at a scene of a shooting would keep people safe???

These are trained police officers...and even they can't control their gunfire in broad daylight. Can you imagine if 5-10 people were armed in Aurora inside a smokey dark movie theater???

Some people want you to believe that if other people were armed, they would have taken down the shooter with one clean shot and been the hero...I think this pretty much proves them wrong.

yes you are correct, every situation is exactly the same which means every outcome will be the same also.

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Bottom line -

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Okay i get it... you think they screwed up and killed a guy who wanted to give up. In the process other people were hurt.

I see it as a totally different situation and think they did what they had to do to stop a killer and come home at the end of the day.

Im done arguing about it.
Just one question...
What do you want to see done to these cops?

Originally posted by maxella1
What do you want to see done to these cops?

They simply reacted in fear and lacking good training they had nothing to fall back on.

I don't think it should end their careers.

They should have the incident noted in their personnel or discipline files then be required to attend one or more sessions of remedial range certification class/training.

They are poorly trained marksmen and obviously they panicked in the line of duty. While neither are ideal traits for a police officer I don't think they acted with malice or gross negligence in their disregard for public safety.

Incident noted so that if there is a next time no one is claiming it’s the first incident and they get off easy a second time.

I think that's a fairly lenient solution for what could be several tens of thousands of dollars in medical liability. If someone goes for pain and suffering it could well be a million dollar mistake.

I don't know where you work but not many companies will keep someone who makes a mistake of that magnitude.

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I don't know where you work but not many companies will keep someone who makes a mistake of that magnitude.

Sorry I just couldn't resist...