Eyewitness: 4 Man Team Behind Sikh Temple Shooting

Originally posted by miniatus

Source: www.nytimes.com...

So, despite discussing the fact that MSM changes things for their benefit, we should go by the NY times to trust they are not editing out the 4 gunmen witness reports.
I know I linked to the guardian, but that was in my search to find attendance numbers at the time of shooting.
In my link, it did state that some managed to lock themselves in the washroom, and the kitchen, so that could leave the rest of the premesis pretty empty.
And before you say, ah, has to be only one gunmen, or they wouldnt have had time to do that, from what I can see, the first shootings happened when 2 people exited a taxi outside, and 2 children who witnessed it, ran inside to warn everyone inside, giving them time to hide.
I am gonna sit back, and wait to see this develop. And see how many others say " it cant be 4 gunmen.. Not enough people killed" before they look back over the thread

reply to post by underduck


You probably know this already, but Kaleka (son of the Church's leader) is a filmmaker who has teamed up with Dr. Steven Greer from the Disclosure Project to release the upcoming groundbreaking documentary Sirius. I only knew that because I had supported that project on Kickstarter (it raised over $50k to get the film done) some months back.

We are wondering "why the Sikhs?" but to me it seems more complicated than an attack on the Sikhs.

Sirius was going to be an amazing project, I - like many of the supporters for this project - wonder if this will doom that project. I was never much of a Greer fan... but the project seems incredibly good.

Originally posted by chetinglendalevillage
reply to post by underduck

 

You probably know this already, but Kaleka (son of the Church's leader) is a filmmaker who has teamed up with Dr. Steven Greer from the Disclosure Project to release the upcoming groundbreaking documentary Sirius. I only knew that because I had supported that project on Kickstarter (it raised over $50k to get the film done) some months back.

We are wondering "why the Sikhs?" but to me it seems more complicated than an attack on the Sikhs.

Sirius was going to be an amazing project, I - like many of the supporters for this project - wonder if this will doom that project. I was never much of a Greer fan... but the project seems incredibly good.

Very interesting and no I did not know that. This certainly requires a more detailed look. I will have to look into this project as well.

These things have reasons. I agree that it is more than a skin head musician simply hating a "small" group of worshippers.

We have several choices:

1) A fraction of our government in connection with setting the New World Order into place (in order to do this they MUST disarm all people, including Americans) by having incident after incident after incident no matter how many innocent lives they take in the process. Personally I believe these are not "lone nut cases" but cleverly devised satanic government / military / law enforcement, connected sleeper cells being activated to make the people cave in and hand over their guns and cross off (shred) our 2nd Amendment.

2) Mentally unstable and mean people snapping and victimizing others.

3) The Black Awakening (read the book by Russ Dizdar) and visit his website, www.shatterthedarkness.net...

We are familiar with the area this shooting took place at in Wisconsin and this is not a wild area............something is up, something wicked this way comes and I don't think the majority of people are aware of how pervasive this evilness is going to get.

Seriously folks, those of you that do not believe in God, Jesus, Satan - look around you. Look at the junk your children are watching and read the lyrics to the songs they have been listening to.

A storm is coming and it's going to involve every single one of us.



The time, I feel, has come to take a stand - choose which side of the chess board you will play on.

The people that are now currently calling the shots, our politicians, their propaganda stooges known as the news media and hollywood are, again my own opinion, rotten and corrupt to the core.

But, their time is short and they know it.

There will be more shootings, wars, violence, misdirected hate. The pot is about ready to boil over but like frogs the heat has been on for a long time, most of us just haven't noticed the heat being gradually increased.

A lot of people, I think most, simply cannot handle the truth.

Other good books are by Marzulli and "Corrupting The Image" by Douglas Hamp.

Transhumanism was tried once before (then came the flood).

It is now being tried again, but this time, in a more sophisticated, covert manner.

I would suggest to put down your Twilight and Harry Potter novels and research what is really going on - Some of us as Lady Gaga suggests, are "Born This Way".

reply to post by TerribleTeam2


The problem with these recent shooting incidents is the same problem experienced after 9/11.
Eyewitness accounts that later contradicted the official story were quickly suppressed and replaced with whatever the authorities wanted to present.
Given the complete lack of journalism shown by the MSM we have little choice but to dig around and see what early eyewitness accounts had to say.
Reviewing all the evidence is hardly screaming "Conspiracy!" when the real conspiracy is how the media presents stories to us that are nothing more than government-written scripts.

This is a conspiracy site after all, if you are expecting these members here to just accept the official version of events without blinking you don't know our members very well.

They Targeted the priest/hole men.
check the videos on CNN.

one of them just came from Indea.
could it be political?
any one know his name yet?

Just like what happened in Norway

Here we go again. Another shooting another conspiracy. Is there any such thing as hate crimes anymore? You do realize that everything that happens, isn't necessarily a conspiracy. I cannot wait to these olympics are over and there is no "false flag" attack. Then we can put this whole thing to bed.


BTW, eyewitness testimony is hardly accurate, especially during a chaotic event. If anything, it seems like the eyewitnesses claiming there were multiple gunman, were planted. I am pretty sure that if four people all of the sudden start opening fire, I am sure as hell not going to look around and see how many are firing and what they are wearing. Add to the fact that only SIX people were killed, that would make those four gunman lousy shooters. Guess that can rule out the special forces conspiracy.

reply to post by Vitruvian


That isn't eyewitness testimony. Eyewitness testimony would actually be the guys father or the priest telling us himself that there were multiple shooters. Of course that point is moot, since there were actually multiple shooters, the shooters and the two cops.

Originally posted by tide88
Add to the fact that only SIX people were killed, that would make those four gunman lousy shooters. Guess that can rule out the special forces conspiracy.

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*yawn* refer back to my posts on this and the last page about that.
*goes back to sleep*

Originally posted by ofhumandescent

Seriously folks, those of you that do not believe in God, Jesus, Satan - look around you. Look at the junk your children are watching and read the lyrics to the songs they have been listening to.

A storm is coming and it's going to involve every single one of us.

The time, I feel, has come to take a stand - choose which side of the chess board you will play on.

Reposted because of it's high value. I'll confirm just about everything said in this audiocast, because it's true, and real, and some of it's happened to me. Seen it with my own eyes. Explains the alien aspect nicely too.

ofhumandescent thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by djyorkie

Originally posted by tide88
Add to the fact that only SIX people were killed, that would make those four gunman lousy shooters. Guess that can rule out the special forces conspiracy.

edit on 6-8-2012 by tide88 because: added to post

*yawn* refer back to my posts on this and the last page about that.
*goes back to sleep*

from the NY Times article

“The best information is that there was only one gunman,” Chief Edwards said at a news conference.

So I am assuming that after weeding through the witnesses, the police established there was only one gunman, getting this info from the most reliable witnesses.

“She said they heard a bang, bang, bang,” Mr. Singh, 36, said in a telephone interview from the basement of a bowling alley near across the street from the temple, where the police and F.B.I. agents were interviewing survivors.

Bang, bang, bang? So there were they initially heard three gunshots, yet you are claiming there were four gunman. If each of the four had a semiautomatic weapon, you would think the description might be a little bit different, right?

Seems to me like there was only one gunman, except for those two who heard from someone there were more.

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30-35 people. That special forces unit must have been the special olympics forces unit. I love how there is talk of sheeple on this site, but people here believe a conspiracy is behind everything. Which is more likely, inaccurate eyewitness testimony, or regular people on the police force and members of the church covering up a massive conspiracy.

Why would all the first responders and other eyewitnesses go along with the conspiracy. If they had loved ones that were shot and killed, you really think that threats by the government would cause these people to be silent? There is no way to control the scene here.

I am more apt to believe that psy ops was involved then a multiple shooter conspiracy. Even though I think that is complete BS too.

Alright, I am on the ground in Milwaukee covering the story for my news organization back in the UK and here are my issues that I have with the official story:

First, The Sikhs noticed suspicious people watching them for at least a week before the attack. They said to me and others that there were more than one person watching and one identified Page as one of them. If this is true why isn't the FBI trying to find these other people who were with Page?

Second, The so-called Person Of Interest seems to be mostly a shot in the dark from what I have heard, although it has been said he has been linked to hate groups as well.

Third, One of Page's tattoos, specifically the one on what appears to be his left shoulder is related to the Stormfront Nazi website I am told by law people who study hate groups at Marquette University. If there is a connection, there have been other similar shootings by Stormfront members, this could be part of a wider Nazi movement in the United States that is being missed.

Originally posted by darklord
I remember a statement by the police officer in charge while the incident was still 'alive'. He said one of the gunmen was shot down and killed, and there are possibly more inside the temple, holding hostages. Funny, I didn't think it would be so hard to find out if the killed shooter was the only one and there were no more gunmen in the temple. One would think the people inside would try to come out instead of pretending to be held hostage for such a long time, waiting for the police to get in first. How long would it take to realize that the one man with a gun had stepped out and had been shot and killed? This whole scenario as the official story says it it, is possible, no doubt. But is it probable?

I sure as hell would be hiding in the closet until someone came in and got me. As for the police, I am sure they were just following protocol. You know waiting for backup, surrounding the building, etc.... At the time you saw the officer make that statement, he probably had about as much info as you had.

As for the hostage comment, please show me where anybody in the temple said they were held hostage.

Originally posted by Komodo

Originally posted by Sablicious
If it were a "co-ordinated" quartet, they would have killed more than jut half a dozen +1. They were in a temple--they were sitting ducks. Even a blind man firing randomly could have killed a handful under such circumstances.

Common sense: avail it.

or .. how about this..

1 is the shooter and the other 3 are lookouts to ensure no one escapes or and everyone stay's down.. and ditch the lone gunman for the fall

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No one escapes???? This wasn't a bank robbery. This guy more than likely went in knowing he wasn't coming out alive.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
Hmmm. A shootout in Colorado exactly 7 days before the Olympic Opening Ceremonies where everyone was taken to Gateway HS, home of the Olympians. And then a shootout in Wisconsin exactly 7 days before the closing ceremonies at 10:15 (1+1+5=7) where 6+1 (the shooter) died. Now there is a police presence on Holmes St where the guy just moved into about a week ago (likely exactly 7 days if the pattern holds) related to the shooting. Nah. Just coincidence. Go back to sleep.

Number 7 is a great number.... Its my number and it represents a lot of good things out there according to Astrology & Numerology!!

I had an Astrology/Numerology Test done few years back to find out which number I represented and it came out 7.... dont have all the meanings of number 7 right now but wiki does:

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by crawdad1914

 

And having people rant and rave about how everything is a conspiracy these days doesn't help get to the facts either, yet there are plenty on here that have no problem doing that, even when something is less than an hour old.

It would be great if everyone was able to sort the wheat from the chaff, and sort out the facts from the fiction, but unfortunately that rarely happens these days. People are way too quick to judge, and have their side of the story heard, that they are willing to scream and shout louder than everyone else, which makes it even harder to get the proper story from the loads of crap. Everyone wants their 5 minutes of fame, and to be able to be the one to say "HA SEE WHAT I SAID WAS RIGHT!!!!", and aren't willing to step back, objectively look at things, and clearly look at what evidence is available before making a clear judgement about whatever story is running on the news at any given minute.

And that's why I guess i hardly ever come on here any more, because it's just turned into one big screaming match between one side, and the other. And when I DO come on here, I don't post in very many topics, because I prefer to try and gather as much information about something as I can before posting about it. And unfortunately, that kind of thinking is becoming a dying art these days, where everyone wants to be heard, and wants to be the one that said "I GOT IT RIGHT FIRST! EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!!". You can look at how the media treats their stories these days to see I'm right..........

Excellent post. I remember the days when people didn't cherry pick witness testimony to suit their theories. The funny thing is this thread is really pointless, because if it isn't multiple shooters, its psyops, or a false flag, or mass media coverups. The whole thing is ridiculous and totally disrespectful to those who actually died.

Guess that why I try to do my part and post the opposite viewpoint. Too many on this site jump in without even looking at the other side. BTW, yes I have looked at the other side and there are way too many holes in each of these conspiracy theories. Hell, 99% of conspiracies posted here are bogus.

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Alright, I am on the ground in Milwaukee covering the story for my news organization back in the UK and here are my issues that I have with the official story:

First, The Sikhs noticed suspicious people watching them for at least a week before the attack. They said to me and others that there were more than one person watching and one identified Page as one of them. If this is true why isn't the FBI trying to find these other people who were with Page?

Second, The so-called Person Of Interest seems to be mostly a shot in the dark from what I have heard, although it has been said he has been linked to hate groups as well.

Third, One of Page's tattoos, specifically the one on what appears to be his left shoulder is related to the Stormfront Nazi website I am told by law people who study hate groups at Marquette University. If there is a connection, there have been other similar shootings by Stormfront members, this could be part of a wider Nazi movement in the United States that is being missed.

I will star you for this post. This is what this site is missing. I could buy that theory, although he isn't know to be involved with any white power groups.

I personally believe that this guy just lost it when his girlfriend dumped him. Crap, depending on how crazy the girl is, she could have really twisted his thinking. It could have been the thing that put him over the edge.

Page obviously didn't like ethnic people. You don't sing in a white supremacist band, not do you cover you body with racist tattoos if you are of sound mind. He was obviously a little off, and by little I mean way off. Reclusive, depressed, alone, etc.... Guy was a ticking time bomb IMO. Just needed a nudge to send him over the edge.

reply to post by tide88


I'm not saying yet that there is a conspiracy per-say, just that these are the things that stood out to me as flaws in the investigation so far. I am also very much leaning to the lone nutter on this one, 9 times out of 10 that is what it is even in hate crimes. I think you're spot on with your analysis from what we've seen so far for sure.

It has been established that the suspected shooter was involved in the Nazi movement in the US to some degree starting in about 2000, which it should be noted is 2 years after his discharge from the Army, so not while he was in the service at all. He also fronted a Nazi Punk/Metal band and played various shows although the level of their cohesion is questionable. He had several tattoos that I am told are consistent with symbols used by American Nazi organizations too.

The faculty at Marquette told me though that most Nazi hate crimes these days are lone-actor incidents. While they may be inspired by hateful speech of others they are usually carried out by a single individual or group of like-minded friends and are not the action of larger Nazi organizations.

I merely think that the police in cases such as this should follow all of the viable leads they have, and I am sure police officers would agree with me on that too. The biggest "conspiracy" I see coming out of this is that years after 9-11, there seem to still be problems in communication and cooperation between local and federal police agencies. It is only the day after the attack though too, and perhaps we will all see this investigated fully and with great professionalism by the agencies involved. At least that is my hope.