Eyewitness: 4 Man Team Behind Sikh Temple Shooting

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

Apparently there was more than 1 person that saw Jesus turn water into wine, and make 1 loaf of bread feed an entire gathering.

And more than 1 person has seen an image of the Virgin Mary here in Sydney, overlooking one of the headlands of one of the beaches near Bondi. Even when it was proven to be a trick of light, and SHOWN to be a trick of light, people still say it's the Virgin Mary............

Just because more than 1 person has claimed to have seen something, doesn't make it true......

And the use of hyperbole does not a good argument make.
Perhaps, all witnesses, not just those that support the official story should be accorded the respect of looking further into their account of the events. Hopefully someone will continue to dig into this story, after all the truth is what we should all be after. This quick "wrap up" of lone gunman shooter does'nt sit well with me.

I remember a statement by the police officer in charge while the incident was still 'alive'. He said one of the gunmen was shot down and killed, and there are possibly more inside the temple, holding hostages. Funny, I didn't think it would be so hard to find out if the killed shooter was the only one and there were no more gunmen in the temple. One would think the people inside would try to come out instead of pretending to be held hostage for such a long time, waiting for the police to get in first. How long would it take to realize that the one man with a gun had stepped out and had been shot and killed? This whole scenario as the official story says it it, is possible, no doubt. But is it probable?

reply to post by darklord


Problem with that line of thinking is that there are more than a fair few people on here that like to yell "OMG CONSPIRACYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!" about every single thing that happens these days. And it's no wonder that when your normal, rational thinking person brings up facts that contradict the "MSM" story, that they get lumped in with the people that jump at shadows, and shout conspiracy about everything.

I can tell you now, there are a fair few people on here that psychologist/psychiatrists would have a field day with, and would make an absolute fortune off.

Uh oh, I mentioned psychologists and psychiatrists........better go into hiding, because some people don't like those terms around here, because they work for the NWO and Illuminati only.......*waits to be called out as a Government Shill/Agent/Black Operator*

Originally posted by Sablicious
If it were a "co-ordinated" quartet, they would have killed more than jut half a dozen +1. They were in a temple--they were sitting ducks. Even a blind man firing randomly could have killed a handful under such circumstances.

Common sense: avail it.

or .. how about this..

1 is the shooter and the other 3 are lookouts to ensure no one escapes or and everyone stay's down.. and ditch the lone gunman for the fall

reply to post by crawdad1914


And having people rant and rave about how everything is a conspiracy these days doesn't help get to the facts either, yet there are plenty on here that have no problem doing that, even when something is less than an hour old.

It would be great if everyone was able to sort the wheat from the chaff, and sort out the facts from the fiction, but unfortunately that rarely happens these days. People are way too quick to judge, and have their side of the story heard, that they are willing to scream and shout louder than everyone else, which makes it even harder to get the proper story from the loads of crap. Everyone wants their 5 minutes of fame, and to be able to be the one to say "HA SEE WHAT I SAID WAS RIGHT!!!!", and aren't willing to step back, objectively look at things, and clearly look at what evidence is available before making a clear judgement about whatever story is running on the news at any given minute.

And that's why I guess i hardly ever come on here any more, because it's just turned into one big screaming match between one side, and the other. And when I DO come on here, I don't post in very many topics, because I prefer to try and gather as much information about something as I can before posting about it. And unfortunately, that kind of thinking is becoming a dying art these days, where everyone wants to be heard, and wants to be the one that said "I GOT IT RIGHT FIRST! EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!!". You can look at how the media treats their stories these days to see I'm right..........

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by crawdad1914

 

And having people rant and rave about how everything is a conspiracy these days doesn't help get to the facts either, yet there are plenty on here that have no problem doing that, even when something is less than an hour old.

It would be great if everyone was able to sort the wheat from the chaff, and sort out the facts from the fiction, but unfortunately that rarely happens these days. People are way too quick to judge, and have their side of the story heard, that they are willing to scream and shout louder than everyone else, which makes it even harder to get the proper story from the loads of crap. Everyone wants their 5 minutes of fame, and to be able to be the one to say "HA SEE WHAT I SAID WAS RIGHT!!!!", and aren't willing to step back, objectively look at things, and clearly look at what evidence is available before making a clear judgement about whatever story is running on the news at any given minute.

And that's why I guess i hardly ever come on here any more, because it's just turned into one big screaming match between one side, and the other. And when I DO come on here, I don't post in very many topics, because I prefer to try and gather as much information about something as I can before posting about it. And unfortunately, that kind of thinking is becoming a dying art these days, where everyone wants to be heard, and wants to be the one that said "I GOT IT RIGHT FIRST! EVERYONE LOOK AT ME!!!". You can look at how the media treats their stories these days to see I'm right..........

I dont know anything about all that.
I just know some people who were there, are coming forward with a differing account of what is being pushed forward by the authorities and the MSM. Their accounts are as valid as any others.

reply to post by crawdad1914


I agree that all accounts deserve investigation. However, ATS has a tendency to take a single account that doesn't support the official story, despite all other accounts, and run with it. Then a week later many on here are believing in some horribly elaborate conspiracy that the facts don't support. When pointed out that the facts don't support the account these believers simply cry cover up. So, yes, all accounts need to be investigated, However, we must remember that eyewitness testimony is horrible. While it can prove an invaluable tool in running down leads it should never be used as a key piece of evidence when it comes time for judgment.

reply to post by crawdad1914


Nothing wrong at all about getting all the eyewitness accounts. Smartest thing to do actually, that way a clearer picture can be gained about what happened.

The rant I went on was mainly directed at some of the people on here, that have a habit of doing the things I said in my last post.

Basically, alot of the threads on here these days follow these basic running formats:-

OP starts thread
Several others come in a post "verified? source?"
Source gets added
Someone makes comments about source
Another person makes comment about other persons comment
Bunch of people get butthurt, line in the sand is drawn, with some people taking one side, others taking the other side.
Slanging match ensues, with added personal insults about persons intelligence/upbringing/nationality
Mods come in, swing their Mod/Ban-Hammers, tells everyone to stay on topic
Go back to someone making comment about source, and/or what really happened
Repeat until thread dies out, or the Mods/Site Owners lock thread
Repeat ad nauseum with new threads.

Sorry to have gone off topic, just was trying to clarify my position in my last post.

Edit - basically what Xcalibur said, who put it in a much more concise, precise fashion!

"notoriously inaccurate. For example a 1991 study found that in 45% of cases where an innocent person is found guilty it is due to faulty eyewitness testimony"

but how many cases are there were an innocent person is found guilty?
we must find that as a percentage of total cases then find the "45%" of that to find the cases
that the eyewitnesses are incorrect.

Originally posted by tired
"notoriously inaccurate. For example a 1991 study found that in 45% of cases where an innocent person is found guilty it is due to faulty eyewitness testimony"

but how many cases are there were an innocent person is found guilty?
we must find that as a percentage of total cases then find the "45%" of that to find the cases
that the eyewitnesses are incorrect.

I certainly cant argue you're point here. I have used the same logic against the use of the death penalty in cases where conviction's were based solely on eyewitness testimony.

Still, lets hope all accounts and leads are followed up on.

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
reply to post by crawdad1914

 

Nothing wrong at all about getting all the eyewitness accounts. Smartest thing to do actually, that way a clearer picture can be gained about what happened.

The rant I went on was mainly directed at some of the people on here, that have a habit of doing the things I said in my last post.

Basically, alot of the threads on here these days follow these basic running formats:-

OP starts thread
Several others come in a post "verified? source?"
Source gets added
Someone makes comments about source
Another person makes comment about other persons comment
Bunch of people get butthurt, line in the sand is drawn, with some people taking one side, others taking the other side.
Slanging match ensues, with added personal insults about persons intelligence/upbringing/nationality
Mods come in, swing their Mod/Ban-Hammers, tells everyone to stay on topic
Go back to someone making comment about source, and/or what really happened
Repeat until thread dies out, or the Mods/Site Owners lock thread
Repeat ad nauseum with new threads.

Sorry to have gone off topic, just was trying to clarify my position in my last post.

Edit - basically what Xcalibur said, who put it in a much more concise, precise fashion!

edit on 6-8-2012 by TerribleTeam2 because: (no reason given)

edit on 6-8-2012 by TerribleTeam2 because: (no reason given)

Understood.

reply to post by tired


According to a study by Ohio State University there are an estimated 10,000 false convictions every year.

Originally posted by roadgravel
Four man hit team and they shoot only 6 or 7 people? Looks like shootings are more difficult then a person might think.

This.

I haven't heard this idea of a "four man" team attacking anywhere else, and InfoWars is not exactly a credible source of information!

It's in the title of the site FFS!

And yes, we all know there really are stupidly ignorant people in the USA (lots of them in fact) who think a brown person wearing a head dress of some kind is a "terrorist". You can thank your education system for that, completely ignorant of the outside world and almost all other faiths other than Christianity.

Mentally unbalanced idiot who thinks all brown people with a head dress are terrorists - case closed IMO.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by tired

 

According to a study by Ohio State University there are an estimated 10,000 false convictions every year.

Thanks, do you know how many total convictions there are?
we can then figure out what 10,000 is a percentage of.

reply to post by Vitruvian
I lean towards your thought there being more shooters, the only problem is if there were 4 and coordinated as this person said there would be a lot more fatalities.....depending on the amount of people in the temple.
Common sense would tell you that wingnuts like this never work alone so you are on the right track, lets hope the investigators are also.

reply to post by tired


I've been trying to find a number. For whatever reason though the Bureau of Justice Statistics won't load.

I still lean towards eyewitness's being mostly correct. but I believe details could be easily mistaken.
thanks for looking, I am mostly just curious to see what the actual percentages would be.

Someone wants to create mess all over US. Cabal probably knows they will be arrested, so last card game is a cilvil war.

On the radio today they broke from regular news to make the point that "The ATF has just released a statement saying that the gun used in this shooting was purchased legally"

They then went on to reporting other news. That was it.

Its clear this is a conspiracy to vilanize "legal" gun owners in America.

Furthermore, this guy was a Colorado native! Again a link to Colorado. Something is a foot.

Originally posted by Domo1


ATS hears hooves and thinks reptilian zebra from Nibiru sometimes.

I lol'd at this!
It is true. I love that ATS makes me think and does pull up some interesting and often worrying truths and ideas but your statement is also rather true sometimes.