Did anyone pay attention to the novelty of timewave zero on the date of the colorado shooting?

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


You are right, I am on to something...the WI event although sad, doesn't mean beans as an example of the legitimacy (as you did not elaborate on how it ties into the theory) nor do any of the other events I mentioned.

As an earlier poster stated, those that "believe" in this theory are simply cherry picking events in order to draw some type of correlation to substantiate the theory...exactly as you have done. The theory only appears to hold water when someone uses hindsight to prove it's validity but no one can accurately predict an event before it happens using the theory (or at least that I have come across).

FYI ---> About 250,000 - 300,000 people die per day world wide.


Rough Calculations:
7 billion people on earth.
Average life expectancy is about 66.12 years ~ 24150 days
7 billion people ÷ 24,150 days is just less than 300k
However, life expectancy is increasing, and population is increasing, so the actual number should be lower than 300k.

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

Timewave Zero is an exploratory idea system and a software package that runs on personal computers. It is the broadcast output of the naturally superconducting experimentaldeoxyribonucleic matrix transceiver operating in hyperspace.

Haha that's what I love Terence for. What a brilliant motherf#cker. Only problem is I find I have to be on acid or mushrooms to understand what he's going on about. Some of his ideas are so outrageous-but-lucid, it's incredible. Gives me faith in humanity's ability to rise up and use their genius of mind to uplift the planet. That's what's so amazing about being a human. That's what I call novelty.

As for the mass shootings, I haven't paid any attention to TWZ for a long time so the answer is no, I didn't notice. But interesting theory. Sounds research-worthy at least.

Peace

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


Why good sir it does both; for you can not accomplish one without the other.

The landing of the Mars Curiosity matches with the Aug. 5th novelty date.

Every shooting at this point until election day seems to originate from "Battle-Ground" states, am I wrong?

The "novelty" in timewave is the ratio of quantum probability potential relative to a defined state or singularity event. If the probablility ever goes to zero or crosses it it means that there will be a total and complete colapse of all quantum probabilities except that defined state. In particular it means time as we know it will end or become experienced in another form. We will all die in this physical form. Timewave zero is however a relative predictive program and there is some fudge factors to be taken into account. If these factors are taken into account you will get a range of time from November 14, 2012 to January 23 2013. However one fudge factor cannot be predicted- time/space becomes unstable or altered say by the discovery of time travel.

FWIW, The mayans studied time as a fractal timewave cycle not unlike Mckenna's idea, with each cycle being a part of a bigger cycle, for this they got the calenders that predicted stuff like eclipses and movements of planets, as well as major dates of transformation.

I'm tired of people talking about "FRACTALS." Can somebody interpret FRACTALS, in laymans terms!

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


I am an amateur astonomist. The video appears to me, he is trying to get into focus a galactic cluster of stars, not even good video if you ask me. SORRY TO BUST YOUR BUBBLE. THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH DISINFORMATION, DILUTING FROM THE REAL INFO.

Originally posted by XeroOne
So if I have this correct, McKennna was on a mushroom trip one sunny day, and decided to write a program that creates squiggly waves on an oscillioscope based on some contrived arrangement of the I-Ching.

Something doesn't always happen when the novelty goes down, what Mckenna described is something happening in regards to biological and sociological evolution. Usually events will trigger that, but it doesn't always.

The chances are a noticeable event of some kind will happen on any random date anyway, and it seems McKenna's squiggly graph peaks during some of those events, but not always. Looks a lot like coincidence.

edit on 4-8-2012 by XeroOne because: (no reason given)

This is true, a random event may occure every day, a major event at that. Maybe several events a day even.

What this program is suggesting that it spikes on events that have a ripple effect leading to other major events.

Some major events may occur, but stop there with no further rramifications, these will hardly register as their momentum is halted in the immediate conclusion of the event. Others will lead ot trigger other events that maintain a spike in the timewave, as one thing leads into another.

Thats my take on it anyway.

Problem is, if the program really did work, it would register every big event that occurs everywhere, not just here on earth. It should register any event out there also, even if we are not aware of itt our selves.

So I guess it really is just a load of crap made by a drug addict on a high...lol

Originally posted by RELDDIR
I'm tired of people talking about "FRACTALS." Can somebody interpret FRACTALS, in laymans terms!

Scroll about halfway down on the article that Kokatsi posted for the section titled "Fractals, anyone?":
Outline of TWZ Theory

Basically the shape is a fractal because when you zoom in (look at the graphs pictured) the plot looks identical to the larger plot.


To me what's especially interesting about TWZ is this "resonance" phenomenon and it's implication with historical events:

Time compression

As the Timewave pattern moves through time, the fractals become smaller and smaller. What took eons of time to complete next takes only thousands of years, then hundreds, then days, minutes, seconds. As we approach the zero point on the grand Timewave, waves of novelty and habit change more rapidly. This can appear chaotic to our sense of time but it is because the very pattern of time IS speeding up.

Indeed the knowledge and understanding that we have accomplished in the last hundred years of civilization far surpasses the achievements of many thousands of years before. It is not so surprising then that the Timewave theory should be discovered, or perhaps re-discovered, at this fast paced era near the end of time.

The experience of the Roman Empire, which lasted for centuries in ancient times, should then technically resonate with another "rise and fall" that could last only a decade... and as time increases this resonance occurs at increasingly rapid paces, so I guess by December 2012 we experience this novelty in a matter of minutes, then seconds.... This is at least my interpretation of it, but I could be wrong as I am no expert!

To add 2 more cents, I feel that most in this thread might be simplifying the essence of novelty a bit too much... I don't think it's so much about pinpointing specific events and matching it with the graph-- I think it's more about the collective consciousness as JiggyPotamus suggested. The very fact that today we can log into ATS and look at all these events occurring in the world, watch NASA's Curiosity explore Mars in real time, carry the entire library of human knowledge in our hand (phone) at all times with us... the collective consciousness is clearly becoming more potent. 12 people dead wouldn't have gotten the attention of most of the world centuries ago, but now through technology and instant communication this news reaches many more people (maybe not the world, but it certainly impacts more today than it would have before). Likewise, the very fact that other events around the world that various posters mentioned are even brought up, and communicated here, is testament to that-- more news that wouldn't have reached us before our modern forms of communication.

Even just going by feeling alone, I think it's easy to say that many in the world today feel a sense of rapid movement in the air and shifting in the global consciousness, and maybe it's this spiral in to ascension (hopefully not descension!!) that TWZ is getting at.

I'm a big fan of Terence McKenna, and I'm glad this thread was posted, as it has re-invigorated my interest in time-wave zero! Some posters in this thread have helped me develop some new perspectives on it, as well.

Interesting, but I have to agree that the shooting seems like nothing compared to what is going on in other parts of the world.

Before I make my point, I want to say that I am a huge fan of Terrence McKenna, and I think his Stoned Ape Theory is probably the best explanation I've heard for the mysterious doubling of our brain size over one million years.

My point is, if the timewave predicts the novelty of the entire universe, why would anything that happens on earth matter? I'm sure there is life on other planets in this (at least nearly) infinite universe, and I'm sure McKenna agrees. So I'm wondering how his timewave would correspond to any earthly events. Or is the point that these events happen because of the universe? Like Hiroshima, for example, was a result of the change in novelty of the universe? I think that is the answer now that I think about it, but I haven't researched timewave zero in a long time so I can't recall. If I am wrong about that, then it seems that absolutely nothing that happens on this planet would have any serious impact on the universe

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


Well that is helpful. You'd think if any of this was credible there would have been plenty of people making posts about the date well in advance.

But no. Surprising really given all the ridiculous predictions around here which come to nothing.

Haven't posted here in years, but felt the need to chime in on this one. The following is based on my understanding of this topic...

I think people are not clear on what novelty means in this context (some have tried to explain). To put it as simply as possible, it is the opposite of habit. As the graph goes UP (habit), it represents conservation or repetition of patterns, letting nature take it's course (so to speak). As it goes DOWN (novelty), it is the new, never-before-seen, exploratory, ground-breaking. As you go back in history (whether you are talking about humankind or the universe) things become more simple, pattern-like, predictable etc. At the present time things are relatively more novel (ground-breaking) than ever before, and this will continue into the future. Not only do things become more novel as time goes on, but they increase at a higher rate. For example the Stone Age took longer than the Bronze age which took longer than the Agricultural Revolution, Industrial, Information etc etc.

TWZ is an attempt to visualize a very abstract idea, and is not something that is easily proven.

That being said, I don't think that the shooting was THAT novel of an event. In other words, I don't think that the shooting would be considered something never-before-seen that would add significantly the complexity of the world as we see it. Definately some of the things cited to disprove the theory (drownings, murders, dozen people die) would be relatively insignificant to TWZ as well. I think the Mars rover is sort of significant, but once again it is really not that never-before-seen. If the rover were to find concrete evidence of life on Mars, then I would expect TWZ to have an undeniable visual representation of such a discovery (and pretty good source for debunk if it didn't).

The graph is not necessarily about matching each jump to an event, but rather a visual representation of things become more ground-breaking or complex over time. Yes, events such as Hiroshima will (theoretically) have an immediate effect on the graph, but that does not mean every significant date or event will have an immediate impact. For example, the birth of Hitler will be irrelevent since his birth, while a significant event, did not effect novelty vs. habit on that exact day. The Aurora shooting might be horrible and shocking, but that does not mean it is novel. Hope this makes sense, and it is just my opinion based on my understanding of what this graph represents.

It is too difficult to pinpoint every single event that makes the graph go up and down as it is fractal. If you could look at the past 60 seconds it might look exactly like either one of the OPs pictures but it doesn't mean you could pinpoint anything about how the universe has become more or less complex. I think this graph relates more to CONSCIOUSNESS rather than EVENTS. Abstract ideas are difficult to explain with language or mathematics so try to keep an open mind.

Timewave Zero has been wrong so many times. If you look year 2010, there is HUGE drop at end of year. But I don't remember anything happening. Graph dropped to almost same level as Dec 21. 2012 on 31th of December 2010. I guess we had pre-Apocalypse or something

Originally posted by Mushroom Fields Forever
Haven't posted here in years, but felt the need to chime in on this one. The following is based on my understanding of this topic...

I think people are not clear on what novelty means in this context (some have tried to explain). To put it as simply as possible, it is the opposite of habit. As the graph goes UP (habit), it represents conservation or repetition of patterns, letting nature take it's course (so to speak). As it goes DOWN (novelty), it is the new, never-before-seen, exploratory, ground-breaking. As you go back in history (whether you are talking about humankind or the universe) things become more simple, pattern-like, predictable etc. At the present time things are relatively more novel (ground-breaking) than ever before, and this will continue into the future. Not only do things become more novel as time goes on, but they increase at a higher rate. For example the Stone Age took longer than the Bronze age which took longer than the Agricultural Revolution, Industrial, Information etc etc.

Doesn't fly. There were dips for wars, both World Wars FI, and they weren't "never-before-seen".

reply to post by Thebel

In my opinion, it's not about TWZ being right or wrong, as every spike will not represent say an apocalyptic scenario. Or at least that is not how I understand it. People expand from both positive and negative catalysts.

I guess I'm just more interested in the idea and concept behind it (some great input from recent posts here), but if you are looking for important events which could be considered ground-breaking during that time-frame:

November 17 – Researchers at CERN trap 38 antihydrogen atoms for a sixth of a second, marking the first time in history that humans have trapped antimatter.

November 23 – North Korea shells Yeonpyeong Island, prompting a military response by South Korea. The incident caused an escalation of tension on the Korean Peninsula and prompted widespread international condemnation. The United Nations declared it to be one of the most serious incidents since the end of the Korean War.

November 28 – WikiLeaks releases a collection of more than 250,000 American diplomatic cables, including 100,000 marked "secret" or "confidential".

And the astrologically-inclined might find some importance in this:

December 21 – The first total lunar eclipse to occur on the day of the Northern winter solstice and Southern summer solstice since 1638 takes place.

All from Wiki's 2010 page.

At least when 2012 hits and things keep plodding along as usual we wont have to deal with timewave predictions because the novelty dips into infinite complexity at the end of 2012. They cant change the date or the formula thats the final straw.

After 2012 if we are not living in infinite novelty second by second you know its all a load of shiiiiii........it should be interesting to see what everybody says. Those that support this theory anyway.

reply to post by adrift

In my opinion, it's not about TWZ being right or wrong, as every spike will not represent say an apocalyptic scenario. Or at least that is not how I understand it. People expand from both positive and negative catalysts. I guess I'm just more interested in the idea and concept behind it

It's a fun toy for parties, family gatherings and when your Ouija board is broken.

Originally posted by RongoRongo
It's a fun toy for parties, family gatherings and when your Ouija board is broken.

In a previous post, you stated that many here were missing the mark in trying to explain this theory. I've been hoping that you would elaborate, to help us try and clear up the confusion?

But now I get the impression that you are implying the whole concept is nonsensical? Seems to go against what you said earlier? Could you please expand on what you mean?