Did anyone pay attention to the novelty of timewave zero on the date of the colorado shooting?

So if I have this correct, McKennna was on a mushroom trip one sunny day, and decided to write a program that creates squiggly waves on an oscillioscope based on some contrived arrangement of the I-Ching.

Something doesn't always happen when the novelty goes down, what Mckenna described is something happening in regards to biological and sociological evolution. Usually events will trigger that, but it doesn't always.

The chances are a noticeable event of some kind will happen on any random date anyway, and it seems McKenna's squiggly graph peaks during some of those events, but not always. Looks a lot like coincidence.

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


it was never changed?

...You stated yourself it was changed;

He believed that the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.

When is anyone going to answer the common sense questions asked by XeroOne?

So what's the system measuring, and how is it being measured?

Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

 

it was never changed?

...You stated yourself it was changed;

He believed that the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.

When is anyone going to answer the common sense questions asked by XeroOne?

So what's the system measuring, and how is it being measured?

Looks like it's already answered. McKenna's system is basically an electronic dice connected to an oscilloscope. It has the predictive power of a Magic 8 Ball.

Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

 

it was never changed?

...You stated yourself it was changed;

He believed that the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.

When is anyone going to answer the common sense questions asked by XeroOne?

So what's the system measuring, and how is it being measured?

I quoted that from wikipedia, so take it as you will. I'm not even sure why the both of you are on a website that has very little to do with factual information and mostly speculation. This site will never give you what your logical mind craves because the idea behind a conspiracy is that it's kept secret, hiding as many facts as possible from the public eye. If you want facts perhaps you should go to a science forum.

I quoted that from wikipedia, so take it as you will. I'm not even sure why the both of you are on a website that has very little to do with factual information and mostly speculation. This site will never give you what your logical mind craves because the idea behind a conspiracy is that it's kept secret, hiding as many facts as possible from the public eye. If you want facts perhaps you should go to a science forum.

Because quite a few threads on ATS have factual information. Very interesting factual information. Now, if McKenna's thing was doing stuff like pulling RSS feeds or whatever from the Internet and making some decent predictions, the story would have some credence.

Besides, isn't the point to discuss and criticise whatever ideas are thrown out there?

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


So you quote something to make a point, only later to contradict your own quote and then instead of saying the 3 most dreaded words in language ("I am wrong") you instead question my presence on ATS because I seek answers...let me remind you that the site'ss motto is "deny ignorance" !

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic

Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

So when nothing of magnitude happens tomorrow, can we dismiss not only the correlations on July 20th and Holmes but the entire timewave zero project???

Am I the only one who finds it suspicious that the initial "end date" was changed from end of November to December 21st 2012 ???

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

 

or until the 8th for that matter

edit on 4-8-2012 by Ericthenewbie because: second reply til 8th added

It was never changed. Mckenna didn't even know about the mayan calendar end date until after he came up with timewave zero. He based the software on the I ching. Something doesn't always happen when the novelty goes down, what Mckenna described is something happening in regards to biological and sociological evolution. Usually events will trigger that, but it doesn't always.

Someone thinks he did....

He believed that the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date of November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched

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Please don't post if you are just going to relay your ignorant, close-minded attitude to the forum. You have obviously never truly released your mind and I hope one day you will experience it.

I noticed your avatar from previous posts and you certainly are in need of an awakening. See my signature.

Originally posted by liquiddrewl
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Please don't post if you are just going to relay your ignorant, close-minded attitude to the forum. You have obviously never truly released your mind and I hope one day you will experience it.

I noticed your avatar from previous posts and you certainly are in need of an awakening. See my signature.

Oh, just because something didn't stand up to criticism that somehow makes me ignorant? That accusation doesn't work because I actually did some reading up on it, gave McKenna's argument a fair hearing, and posted my own (hopefully) informed opinion.

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hahaha... who are you to judge anyone, let alone tell them to not post?

Has anyone done basic reconnaissance and actually researched the I Ching? It's measuring what the creator of the algorithm identifies as Novelty. I'm sure very few of us(only XeroOne and one other poster mentioned it) has looked into the "source code" of his algorithm, the I Ching.

I think that the OPs point is well made, and in the context of what we consider Novelty it fits into the timewave. Think about when Columbine occurred, it was the first major school shooting of my lifetime and I'm sure many other people's -- it was as McKenna calls Novelty at the time. Now school shootings occur on a bi-monthly basis, thus the Novelty has gone down.

He conceived this idea over several years in the early to mid-1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and '___'.

This pretty much sums it up.

By the way Dimethyltryptamine is a naturaly recurring psychedelic compound of the tryptamine family, it exists in all of us and every living thing, the reasons concerning it illegality are, to me anyway, somewhat confusing, sadly thats the way it is though.

In the words of Joe Rogan "were all carryin"

Also an important thing to consider:

Just because there is a spike in novelty does not mean we will necessarily hear of it: a major invention, a top-secret coup, etc.

Lost but not forgotten
Submitted by Peter Meyer on Tue, 11/23/2010 - 06:07.

Actually Terence told me (and I assume others) that Timewave Zero was "his only original contribution" (to, I suppose, science, in the wider sense). Of course, he also made original contributions in other (probably more important) ways.

The C source code for the main TWZ software was lost about 3 years ago when the author was moving his files to a new PC (yes, I know, careless!). But even though the source code is lost, the knowledge of how the program was written is not.

And not all TWZ source code is lost. The C source code for the generation of the 384 number points (the Kelley and Watkins number sets) from the King Wen Sequence is on the TWZ CD-ROM (and the executable program itself, for hands-on generation in the way Terence described it).

www.realitysandwich.com...

Peter Meyer has clarified that it was he who introduced the fractality to the Timewave when coding the Apple //eversion of the TWZ software in 1986

Bummer, main source lost around 2007. Would have loved to have seen it. Wonder if it was only one version that was lost. That article makes references to Fortran and C. Anyone know?

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When I take a look at the shooting event from a big idea perspective there seems to be far more people willing and ready to take a deeper look at the information flow.

Media's errant information is definitely not fooling people the way it used to though it's difficult to make this claim when we see victims with real gunshot (or should I say "buckshot") wounds. Particularly when you take the Jared Loughner case into consideration.

PsyOps are appearing more theatre-like, information is said to be leaked in what can be perceived in more plausible quantity and quality. Can it easily be understood? Not yet it seems, but it's getting closer and the reasons behind these types of events may begin to peep their heads from the dark sides of the truth... wherever that may be... At very least the official story is not the real story - but does anyone (speaking generally) care? It seems the answer corresponds with the timewave theory that the wave of information compelled fewer than in prior, yet awfully recent, events.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
Just because there is a spike in novelty does not mean we will necessarily hear of it: a major invention, a top-secret coup, etc.

Given that supposition, its completely 100 percent untestable in any way at all.

Anything it ever does could be linked to something you or I dont know about.
And something that you or I do know about could be swamped by the opposite effects of something we dont know about.

Thus, its great for believers.
You can ALWAYS believe it works, even when testing shows it doesnt.

Man, wish I'd thought of that.

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


That graph is the wrong version...I would wait until the next hugest novelty dip ever , on August 30 2012.
See, on the graph you indicated there isn't this notion because that graph is wrong.

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


It WAS changed , there is a video in which Mckenna says that previously was November 18 2012...
Though I agree with the December 21 date.

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


Could the novelty have to do with the Curiosity mission?
I'm sure there are a couple of firsts there

In one of his lectures, Terence also stated that the spikes may illustrate an epigenetic evolution in society. I'm aware that many of the hardcore sceptics might have a problem with that, seeing as it is roughly a 'fourth dimensional' quality, and therefore something you can't really pin down with your finger or cite from a wiki source. - For example, if say 12% of the population switched to using English as their first language, it would definately impact the word at large... but how would one know? You could only tell by the effects through time, and not through the event itself. (Just a simple example, but you catch my drift)

Others, by the way, will notice that the 4th of August, Y2K, and other 'memorable' dates, had a significant impact on society: It allowed us to grasp the idea that on any day, it could be possible for the whole world to change.

In my opinion, the ability for society to allow or anticipate such a tremendous change, is indeed a monumental display of novelty.