Did anyone pay attention to the novelty of timewave zero on the date of the colorado shooting?

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by XeroOne

 

Timewave Zero:

"Timewave zero" is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase over time in the universe's interconnectedness, or organized complexity.[84] According to Terence McKenna, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur simultaneously. He conceived this idea over several years in the early to mid-1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and '___'.[84]

Sorry for drug references but that is what McKenna did.

link

It depends on your perception of drugs, especially hallucinogens. There are people that believe it's just a change in brain chemistry that changes your perception of reality, and then there are people like Terrence that believe it opens up your brain to other dimensions.

Changing your brain chemistry or/and opening up to other dimensions are not necessarily mutually exclusive. That one's brain chemistry changes does not necessarily make null what the person is perceiving on the outside.

There was another mass shooting today in Wisconsin.
Does this make the connection to the Timewave Zero stuff?

Originally posted by csulli456
There was another mass shooting today in Wisconsin.
Does this make the connection to the Timewave Zero stuff?

Yeah I just read that...

Originally posted by FermiFlux


Forget the Colorado shooting, what about the entire year to now? The novelty drop is supposed to be massive between March and July, yet nothing substantial happened to match the drop on the graph.

Upon reflection is doubly damning on the Timewave failure as a software and a theorem. Occurrences of novelty should be exploding in numbers at this juncture, this 4 month before the End Date, Dec 21. 2012.

"TM: It's an exponentially accelerating process which leads to a kind of end-of-the-world scenario..."

In this thread, does anyone other than you have a tidbit of an understanding of the role of numerological definition of Nature and her historic capability of novelty creation and preservation through the Timewave expression?

It might help.

Originally posted by RongoRongo

Upon reflection is doubly damning on the Timewave failure as a software and a theorem. Occurrences of novelty should be exploding in numbers at this juncture, this 4 month before the End Date, Dec 21. 2012.

"TM: It's an exponentially accelerating process which leads to a kind of end-of-the-world scenario..."

In this thread, does anyone other than you have a tidbit of an understanding of the role of numerological definition of Nature and her historic capability of novelty creation and preservation through the Timewave expression?

It might help.

Ok, fair enough. Are you then suggesting that the people that cherry-pick world events to match a random novelty drop have a higher understanding "of the numerological definition of Nature and her historic capability of novelty creation and preservation through the Timewave expression"?

Be consistent with your thinking. It might help.

Originally posted by Thyhorrorcosmic
I decided to put in July 20, 2012 in the timewave zero program and got this...



Huge drop in novelty just a day after the shooting.

And guess what? There is a huge drop in novelty beginning today the 4th and ending the 8th.

Please explain the significance of this drop...?

As far as I was aware, timewave zero applied to the trends of mankind in general, and not the actions of a single individual.

Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

So when nothing of magnitude happens tomorrow, can we dismiss not only the correlations on July 20th and Holmes but the entire timewave zero project???

Am I the only one who finds it suspicious that the initial "end date" was changed from end of November to December 21st 2012 ???

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

 

What do you reckon?

or until the 8th for that matter

edit on 4-8-2012 by Ericthenewbie because: second reply til 8th added

If nobody has beaten me to it!?

Mass shooting in MI.

reply to post by FermiFlux

Are you then suggesting that the people that cherry-pick world events to match a random novelty drop have a higher understanding "of the numerological definition of Nature and her historic capability of novelty creation and preservation through the Timewave expression"?

I am not suggesting anything, I am clearly and succinctly stating that this thread is overpopulated with people who have little to no concept of Timewave much less I Ching.

reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic


I would love to believe that we are heading towards a unified understanding of ourselves and each other but considering the nieveta of the sleeping masses I Just can't see us being near this threshold at least not within the coming decade nevermind inside the next 5 months or so! I do believe in his theories of the collective conscience, cyclical nature of time and a eventual transendence of materialism! I just don't think enough of us have made this transition into this relm! I really hope i'm wrong but i believe we are heading for a great destruction which i believe will be the last of the great purges before we collectively realize our potential to unite
under the benevolence of all man kind! I take this view from the Hopi indians whom i believe forsaw their own destruction even before seeing what was happening with the migration of eastern civilizations! Maybe if Humanity was not so dumbed down through chemicals, media and reedjucation this December date would have been right on but considering the changes to our chemical makeup we may have lost as much as decades or even centuries to this unifying date! I pray that I am wrong about this chemical divergance but it would explain why so many of us are still sleeping!

Originally posted by MikeDBZ
reply to post by Thyhorrorcosmic

 

LOLOL

Sorry everyone. THERE IS NO DROP IN NOVELTY OCCURING!
You want to know why?? becuase of this >>> www.fractal-timewave.com...
straight from the website that runs the timewave calculator and sells the software!!! (just display the graph of any date and it will show notes under the graph)

LET ME QUOTE the words right from under the graph:

Note that a descent of the timewave corresponds to an increase in novelty (or more exactly, in novelty's getting the upper hand over habit, at least temporarily

There is actually an INCREASE in novelty.
If you had read Wikipedia properly (links posted early in the thread), you would realize that novelty increases as december 21 approaches. LOL OP got it wrong. Sorry.

A day after the shootings there was an increase in novelty, but DURING the "shooting day" there was an decrease in novelty.
From august 4-8 there is an increase, not a decrease, in novelty.

edit on 5-8-2012 by MikeDBZ because: (no reason given)

Ok, I had my wording wrong but I understand the concept. So since there is an increase in novelty from the 4th to the 8th it means that there is an increase of an event happening in some way. As someone gracefully pointed out before, it could be a big change behind closed doors, or even possibly outside of earth that's happening. If the 2012 theory is correct, i'd imagine there is more life involved in the transitioning process than just us humans on this tiny blue dot. So events could be playing out elsewhere, but for those who want facts you cant explain it like that for they will never believe it. I just read about the shootings today, not sure if it's related to the increase in novelty. Some of you questioned how one mans decision can effect a huge increase in novelty, well like another person in this thread said it depends on the media. If the media broadcasts it to the whole world and everyone sees it can place some kind of effect on millions of people...so in turn that small event could turn into a huge one if everyone is aware of it.

So far we have the Wisconsin shootings,

This odd UFO video that appears to be pretty genuine:
www.youtube.com...

And 16 Egyptian soldiers killed in israel.

So it begins...

reply to post by Wide-Eyes



So let me get this straight..WI shootings is the significant event that was anticipated by the timewave zero algorithm? why? Is it more of an event then any other deaths or tragedy that occurred at the same point in time...such as:

two teenagers drown

two dead in car accident

48 Iranians kidnapped

killing of syrian tv presenter


As mentioned before this theory/computer program which has been adjusted several times since it's initial creation is the equivalent of attending a palm reader at your local carnival. The palm reader speaks in vague generalities and allows you to jump to your own assumptions without having actually told you anything of importance....but if you want to believe in nonsense it's your right to do so ( but I also retain the right to place my palm to my face in observing you " believe")

Originally posted by RongoRongo

Originally posted by FermiFlux


Forget the Colorado shooting, what about the entire year to now? The novelty drop is supposed to be massive between March and July, yet nothing substantial happened to match the drop on the graph.

Upon reflection is doubly damning on the Timewave failure as a software and a theorem. Occurrences of novelty should be exploding in numbers at this juncture, this 4 month before the End Date, Dec 21. 2012.

"TM: It's an exponentially accelerating process which leads to a kind of end-of-the-world scenario..."

In this thread, does anyone other than you have a tidbit of an understanding of the role of numerological definition of Nature and her historic capability of novelty creation and preservation through the Timewave expression?

It might help.

edit on 5-8-2012 by RongoRongo because: (no reason given)

You won't get a straight forward logical answer from the "believers" in this thread as it doesn't exist! Mind you they will try to provide you with one that will be as weak as the theory itself is...

The "important dates" in the test version of TWZ reflect a limited understanding of history - still encyclopedic for an ethnobotanist. Now Hiroshima IS an important global date, but in order to string a TWZ length of history, you will need at least TWO events or more. As some critical posters hinted - the datafeed into TWZ can quickly become a calendar of events publicized by the Western mainstream media and mostly American public opinion instead of decisive turning points of history.

If we want to be convinced that a school shooting in America is more important for 7 billion people and their ancestors and their descendants, than a whole civilization being wiped out in Zaire, or China's persecution of the single cult with the highest amount of adherents since the time of Christ, you've got to give reasons of historical philosophy for it.

Yes, McKenna believed that the West had a special role for a while - despite its violent history - because he thought we were all going to space (he thought we would have to, the planet was too polluted anyway), and that capitalism was going to produce the birth of a space civilization. This implies an entire spin on the social theory of development - as different from mainstream history as the theories of Marxist history are.

In order to properly test out the basic theory of TWZ, we need to transcend what could be loosely called the "Western historical collective ego." Conspiracy boards actually do develop that sense slowly (they did not exist in this form in McKenna's time).

Do you all understand the basic ideas behind this software?
Let me outline it in case you do not.

The idea of novelty is strictly from the I Ching and it cannot be properly understood without understanding the Chinese logic of yin and yang. It is translated in commentaries to advice in human situations in traditional Chinese settings. In certain situations, the reader is advised not to lead and not to initiate any action, but submit to others, or fate (this would be yin behavior in its place), and in others, he or she is advised to act and lead and dare to be different or confrontational (this would be yang). Now there is good yang and bad yang, strong and weak, old and young (the same with yin). 64 basic variations, with "changing lines" connecting any one with any other (including itself).

So where did McKenna, a Western ethnobotanist, bring a new element in this study?
What is the heart of his TWZ theory?

If you understand his research and theory, you do not necessarily a source code. You can build a more creative use of his theory (which goes largely untested but does make some sense).
Let me emphasize: he was studying one aspect of the I Ching NOT much studied by Oriental scholars (Chinese or other). It is not the computer applications or the Western-centric historical dates that are really novel in TWZ - both are at an elementary level.

Terence said while the Book of Changes has been used in a zillion ways for thousands of years, basically no one studied the simple sequence of the hexagrams as they are traditionally presented from 1 to 64 (attributed to a certain mythical King Wen). He tried every mathematical and philosophical method to explain the King Wen sequence, with the help of mathematicians, and failed (yin-yang, mirroring, permutations, combinations etc.).

Then he had the idea that perhaps this sequence was the meta-rhythm of time itself, which means, every event, large or small, will follow the book sequence of hexagrams from 1 to 64. (Number 1 is absolute novelty, number 64 is "Before Completion.") He tried this on to a high-school level of knowing some important dates of (almost exclusively Western) history, and knew that he was onto something. This is how he came up with the 2012 theory, and as far as I know, he was told of the possible end of the Mayan calendar later. Let me repeat, this is NOT how the Book is used in China and Japan etc.

However, he was not entering dates of a truly global history. In this age of conspiracy theories, we know that we continually miss a lot. How many of you know for example, that a couple of catastrophes far worse than Chernobyl had already happened in the Soviet Union in the 50's and 60's? I guess very few.

They should be in your TWZ calculations.

So public history will always miss a lot of important events except when entire empires are quickly taken apart as in the case of Nazi Germany.
At this point, maybe intelligence experts could use the present version of TWZ intelligently. And I guess they already are.

Here's a link that explains a lot of the basic ideas behind TWZ with graphical examples:
Outline of TWZ theory

This is interesting, but I think sometimes the Timewave Zero graphs of novelty can be misread. The main reason is that the novelty could be due to legislation passed, or some action that puts a series of events in place for a large change. We however do not realize the importance of the event, because it may be rather small, but important in terms of novelty.

That is how I've always considered it, although I'm not sure if that is correct, or if others would agree. This makes finding specific actions that correlate to the graph especially difficult, and may cause some to think there is nothing there, when in fact there may be. So maybe the novelty in the regions you point out is not necessarily due to, for example, the shooting, but what may come for the majority of us because of the shooting. Make sense?

One can view each month here, it looks like there is a large drop (or increase in novelty) in the middle of September for example:

www.fractal-timewave.com...

I am moderately familiar with McKenna, have read and used to own 'Archaic Revival'.

My question about his 'timewave zero' is how subjective is novelty? How do you measure, or assign novelty to any given occurence? Does it have to have a certain amount of global impact, or awareness? Could a spike be spread out over many situations, or are spikes only for 'major' things? Since China has the most population, does what happens in China have a greater impact on the novelty, or vice versa?

Let's for a second assume for a moment that this whole hypothesis is correct.

We would be facing the end of novelty in 2012.
(Is it ironic that this doesn't suprise me? )

Just because we reach the bottom of the scale, doesn't mean the scale can't reach into the negative.
I wouldn't know the mathematics, but it could be possible that the way the system is created, the scale shrinks, like drawing a spiral, the area inside the circle gets smaller everytime?
I could def be thinking in the wrong direction though.

This is the first I've heard of timewave zero, but I will be looking further into it.

reply to post by Ericthenewbie


Well you just posted a mother load of 'novelty' there. I reckon you're on to something!