Why Haven't You Enlisted?

I would like you to get my point. Research- understand- do.

[edit on 20-9-2006 by jaguarmike]

I understand your point: Lay around the house-watch a movie-look in the refrigerator.

Is that it?






[edit on 9/20/2006 by bodebliss]

[edit on 20-9-2006 by jaguarmike]

Just to add my 0.02 cents.

I would love to join up but can't, I need my GED to sign up...

I would love to help the guys out overseas in anyway I can, they are my heroes.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
dgtempe, after having read each post in this thread, I have come to the conclusion that many of these people aren't willing to die for anything in any war. I've heard all these excuses before and they are just the rationalizations of the spinally challenged.


[edit on 04/10/10 by GradyPhilpott]

Grady

No disrespect to you but my dad fought in the Korean War, his older brothers fought in wars, one of my uncles even was a few days away from being done serving his (our) country when he was forced to fight in a different war , I like some of these others come from a family that has fought wars down through the generations and had lost members to wars,..........

My dad practically beat it (figure of speech) into all six of his childrens heads to stay out of the service of the U.S. , that NO war was worth dying for just so Big Companies and people like the Bushes and Cheneys (that make lots of money off of wars) could line their pockets with BLOOD MONEY . One of my three kids even brought up the idea of joining to fight Bushes IraqNam, and I slapped him upside the head for even saying that when he has three very young boys that need him , then my dad had a talk with him too,... needless to say, we won and bush lost getting another American killed over his Lies . No one in my family is going to fight and die for a war made of lies.

As far as your childish remark in quotes at the top,.... it's uncalled for.

We're not the ones that are spineless or idiots, it the one's sitting in the Oval Office, that were stupid enough to beleive we'd fall for their lies that fits into the senario.

Get a grip man and just face the facts that not no one,nada with any common sence is going to jump to your baiting of them to make them feel guilty for not jumping into the BushCheneyHaliburton oil war, the gullable ones are already over there dying for what they thought was for their country............ when in fact it was for the oil that our dishonest, embarrassment of a president&Co was greedy for.

It is a shame that thousands have died and been maimed and I feel really sad for their families , but I refuse to be put in the boat with them or any member of my family !

As I said before Grady, No disrespect to you but you do realize that most of us weren't just born yesterday or only 17-18 yrs ago.

Somehow, I'm getting the impression from those giving the anti-bush spin that things aren't getting through.

Are you going to let those brave soldiers die or get maimed without even attempting to help them in any way, manner, or form? Bush makes a bad decision, therefore they have to pay the butcher's bill, and damn them all?

Hey, I'm as much a fan of being alive as the next guy. But those servicemen don't deserve to pay for the mistakes of their leader, nor do they deserve to suffer alone.

If you can't be bothered to do so much as send a care package to a soldier, then 'spinally challenged' doesn't even apply, 'morally bankrupt' does.

DE

morally bankrupt is how i feel about people that drop bombs on other people.

one man's treasure is another man's trash, i guess.

Why must you be willing to die?

Why isnt there a requirement for people to be willing to live?

No offence but I just read the book "shoot to kill" by Micheal asher, he served in the para's during the troubles and then went on to serve in NI's armed police unit, and frankly what he seen makes me wonder what stops todays military from doing the same...

Originally posted by devilwasp
Why must you be willing to die?

Why isnt there a requirement for people to be willing to live?

Well, that depends. Volunteering to be a clerk in the army, or an army cook, or a military musician are all incredibly dangerous, with the threat of papercuts, scalds, and sore throats! But no one ever sees those jobs, they see only what they want to see.

DE

Originally posted by DeusEx
Well, that depends. Volunteering to be a clerk in the army, or an army cook, or a military musician are all incredibly dangerous, with the threat of papercuts, scalds, and sore throats! But no one ever sees those jobs, they see only what they want to see.
DE

Umm you do realise that the RM band is also the RM medical section....right?
Do you need to fight to serve?

No, actually, I didn't. I can't say it's universal- they tried to get me into the band, of all people. Can't play any instrument.

I never said that you have to see combat to serve. I said that people who refuse to serve due to 'not wanting to die' have any number of alternatives to combat duty, such, as I have noted, the cook brigade or any number of clerk positions. Or the band.

DE

Originally posted by DeusEx
No, actually, I didn't. I can't say it's universal- they tried to get me into the band, of all people. Can't play any instrument.

I never said that you have to see combat to serve. I said that people who refuse to serve due to 'not wanting to die' have any number of alternatives to combat duty, such, as I have noted, the cook brigade or any number of clerk positions. Or the band.

DE

Yes but each of those soldiers MIGHT have to go out and fight, after all you may request to become a bandy but the army might say: No we need a squaddie.

The Canadian military always seems to have a massive amount of job openings, so I'll break it down for you:

You apply. They offer you a job as _________, and you may take it. Or, if you wanted to be a bandy, and they offer you say an arty position, you can always turn it down, and wait until something opens up for you.

Deliciosuly simple. Anyways, I doubt that any service is going to turn down a clerk or a cook or a quartermaster.

DE

Umm ok strange, I would have thought they would have said, right you REALLY wanted to be a bandy but unfortunatly we need squaddies more.

They'll tell you that they need such an MOS, sure, and they'll push you a little, but if you don't want a position, they can't force it on you. You sign up for an MOS, you get your damn MOS.

DE

Originally posted by DeusEx
They'll tell you that they need such an MOS, sure, and they'll push you a little, but if you don't want a position, they can't force it on you. You sign up for an MOS, you get your damn MOS.

DE

Isnt it you signed up to serve, not signed up to do THAT job. I mean what does the contract state?

The contract says "You have signed up to serve as a __________ . You will serve X years with the forces, elligible for all the benefits etc. "

As so far is my understanding, of course. They aren't going to take me and *make* me an MP, because it's outside my MOS. They might make me a paratrooper, or an unarmed instructor, but I'll always be infantry on the inside.

DE

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by DeusEx
I never said that you have to see combat to serve. I said that people who refuse to serve due to 'not wanting to die' have any number of alternatives to combat duty, such, as I have noted, the cook brigade or any number of clerk positions. Or the band.

Yes but each of those soldiers MIGHT have to go out and fight, after all you may request to become a bandy but the army might say: No we need a squaddie.

Well, in the Australian Army someone decided that all soldiers were soldiers. To prove this true (in Vietnam) Cooks, Clerks etc would have to do counter-ambush patrols around Nui Dat, but always with infantry NCOs leading them and always within mortar support. Still, probably scary as hell for men who didn't go through the wire every day. (Probably a hell of a lot scarier for the NCOs!).

Certainly in the US Marines every marine is a rifleman first and last. He may be on temporary loan to fly a Harrier, but if his AV-8B can't fly then he'd better know which end of an M16 to point at the enemy.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Certainly in the US Marines every marine is a rifleman first and last. He may be on temporary loan to fly a Harrier, but if his AV-8B can't fly then he'd better know which end of an M16 to point at the enemy.

That's a given. Everyone gets a rifle, and everyone is expected to know how to use it proper. However, is Mr. Clerk or Captain Cook going to see combat? Probably not. They are last-choice, last-ditch soldiers who will not be deliberately put into the line of fire except under the more dire or idiotic of circumstances.

I don't know about you, but sending Cook Platoon into the night for counterambush duty only means that arty's gonna be shovelling their own slop come morning. Thankfully, the Canadian Forces agree with me.

DE

I feel sorry for you, nanna_of_6. I can't even imagine the mindset of someone who doesn't understand the debt owed to those who died for the freedom we enjoy and who doesn't understand the obligation we each have to ensure the liberty of those who will come after us.

A people who will not defend their liberty do not deserve to be free. Currently, as has always been the case, there are those who would enslave free men. If America does not fight those who would enslave us where they live, then we will have to fight them here. If we are unwilling to fight them here, we will be enslaved.

I'm sorry, nanna_of_6. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if I was like you. You have my deepest sympathies.

[edit on 2006/9/20 by GradyPhilpott]