Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus.

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Get lost, your last name is Rothschild? Is that what you just said? (I have a hard time understanding what you're communicating sometimes btw).

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Americanist

 

I haven't seen it, no. Could you elaborate, thanks.

To me, what I see is something representing both the top, and bottom, of the whole spectrum of all being and becoming, along with the resurrection life as an evolutionary phenomenon or principal of life meeting life (wherein death is swallowed up) and as a domain of new possibility. It's like something fundamental to the real creative process of differentiation (in breadown) and reintegration (wholeness, and rediscovery of a new self / new creation). It's not unlike the one, at the very beginning, allowing himself to be blown to pieces on the basis of a caculated gambit (always beginning with the end in mind) that in the fullness time, he would rediscover himself through his own creation, in this case, through the son - but the vectors involved, which culminated in the fulfillment of prophecy framing his conception, birth and great work by signs in the heavens (see star of Bethlehem video series posted earlier in this thread) reveals something even MORE astonishing - in a level of precision-engineered control over the whole of all creation, pointing to a single human lifetime and Great Work which defies the imagination (I can almost hear God's laughter over my dismay).

Never again in human history will that precise confluence of events, at all levels, reoccur, and so at all levels it really is a passover of human life and history, but ours is the first generation to be in a position to decode this and run the process backwards in time to those events, which include a perfect conjunction of Jupiter and Venus at conception, a triple retrograde (three times back and forth motion ie: three kings) conjunction of Venus over Regulus (king) at birth precisely nine months later (with Virgo clothed in the sun ar sunrise, a crescent moon under her feet), followed by a full moon lunar exclips (blood red moon) coinciding with passover 33 years after that. That won't be repeated again in human history. If that weren't enough we have his teachings, his humor, his character, charm, actions, and then this "Great Work" to ponder over as to its true meaning and significance, which if it means anything at all, by extension means everything.

It's just too much to take! - we've been punk'd by God!

bump for further contemplation on new page.. [very important info not to be missed]

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Americanist

 

Get lost, your last name is Rothschild? Is that what you just said? (I have a hard time understanding what you're communicating sometimes btw).

Childs... I'm going for a higher standard.

"A good name, like good will, is got by many actions and lost by one." -Lord Francis Jeffrey

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Rent it for a couple of bucks... It's well worth it. Soundtrack is cool too.

To try to begin to get a grip on the nature of what we're talking about here, bear in mind again that the 12 tribes of Israel also symbolize the 12 signs of the zodiac and precession of the Equinoxes, who were later symbolized by Jesus' 12 disciples.


This is sufficient to represent a relative visual (manifest) position our world and of Jerusalem as the "eye of the world" (for more on this idea, check out the writings of ATS member dontreally), relative to the rest of the background stars of our galaxy and the larger cosmos beyond (since everything is relative).

However, it gets even crazier when we consider the implications of the Hubble Ultra Deep Field photograph, which shows us that every point in the sky filling one square centimeter held at arms length (try it) encircling the entire circumference of the earth (there are millions of such points total, I'm not sure of that actual number at this moment) is FILLED with approximately 10,000 galaxies (at varying distances, and thus, relative timeframes the farther away, the older they are, if they even still exist).


Yes I realize how solipsistic the implications are of what I'm suggesting here, but the proof is in the pudding as they say, and I'm just reporting on it so don't shoot the messenger!

As a point of reference, see my quoted post above, and this re-quoted, here

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

If, like me, and I'm sure most ATS'rs, you're impatient to get to the heart of a largely unexplored mystery and try to solve the "conspiracy", here's a preview of what's to come, which will serve as a type of foundation stone for our subsequent investigation, one which will I am convinced prove this piece of the puzzle to be completely valid.

The Real Star of Bethlehem (part 1 of 7)

www.bethlehemstar.net...

Testimonials

"well-researched and reasonable"

Former Chief of Planetary Astronomy, NASA, and Technical Editor, Sky & Telescope magazine

"an interesting look... at the star... genuinely thought-provoking"

Christianity Today magazine

"models the scientific method at its best"

Distinguished Professor of Old Testament Studies, Dallas Theological Seminary

"wide-ranging and insightful scholarship"

Former Publisher and Editor, Scientific American magazine, and President, American Association for the Advancement of Science

"a convincing case...a mystery solved"

Former Director, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center

"This explanation of the Star is compelling..."

NASA's Chief Engineer for the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station, Director of the Columbia Shuttle Accident Task Force

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

How did he know?

And by "he" who are we talking about?

I've had to lead up to this part, which for many won't "compute" as I indicated in the OP, but check it and re-check it. I don't think there's any getting around it.

Perhaps indeed - "the first are last, and the last, first." (more on what I really mean by that to follow, but I don't want to totally cook your noodle..!)


Best Regards,


NAM

The Humbled and Exalted Christ

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

~ Philippians 2:5-11
(Italics as it is written here)
www.biblegateway.com...

You've heard it said before, but now you've seen it first here, at ATS praise God the father, the son and holy spirit, amen.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by r2d246

 

Who me, or Americanist? And what do you mean could you clarify some more? Thanks.

Say it without saying it. What are you trying to say anyway? I don't understand a word of it.

reply to post by r2d246

There's a LOT of content in this thread now. All I can say is start at the beginning and follow it through. Which part of it are you having trouble with? Some of it is better not described too explicitely. Like I said in the OP, my goal was to put forth all the pieces of the puzzle and connect as many dots as I can, but the rest is up to you to discover for yourself. I can't just hand you a prescious pearl or a rare diamond, you have to uncover it, and in truth it's actually laying out in the open once you start assembling the puzzle pieces. Also, it presumes that you have a rudimentary understanding of the Gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, which can be read pretty much in one sitting. What this thread it about is the historical truth underneath a slight masking in the form of what's called apocrypha, which is a type of storytelling which both hides and reveals truth. I don't know if I can help you. As I indicated in the OP, for some it just won't make any sense at all, while for others, who are ready, and seeking it, the truth of the matter will present itself to them like a great Revelation. We've already covered so much ground, I can't just summarize it, and I wouldn't even know how or where to begin because I can't read your mind in terms of your expectations and what the precise nature of your question is to begin with. Also, since we're at ATS, it almost has to be confusing enough that I'm not doing what's called "throwing pearls before swine" so in a way I'm actually quite glad to hear that it makes no sense to you at all although I realize that's not what you want to hear!

Try re-reading the thread and then posing a very specific question, ok? Thank you though, for your willingness and for your open mindedness and curiosity, which I sense is present, I hope..

Best Regards,

NAM

Edit: P.S. I just LOVE your avatar btw, that's very symbolic and is highly relevant in its own way to what we're talking about here in terms of Jesus' Great Work, provided the surfer keeps paddling into the wave having already SEEN the shark.

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You were made in miraculous ways.
Born with Love and destined to its fate.
Your mind's eye will seek an imminent change
Where emotions evoke light from effervescent rays.

I realize all of what you've been through.
Knocked off your feet you stand again.
I've voiced my dreams to foil defeat,
And offer my help when you need it...


System of Truth

reply to post by Americanist

I don't think that's going to help him, as wonderful and kind-hearted as the sentiment is! : )

Comic Relief

Just in case some of you, who, in reading this thread and combing through it in search of an unearthed treasure of some sort, and I promise you it's in here somewhere - just in case, if even for reasons you might not yet fully fathom, you are weaping, wailing, or God forbid, gnashing your teeth (which is bad for dental health anyway)..

- a little comic relief perhaps might be in order at this stage, if only to keep things light, playful, and lovingly creative, which is how I understand God to be, obviously, or we wouldn't be here, right? He HAS to have a sense of humor, and sometimes we're his "standins", and we've got a lot of exceptional "material" you might say as a human being, but there's nothing really that he can't relate to, without having crossed the line of course himself. He's 100% sympathetic to our plight you might say, which then allows us the priviledge and the RIGHT to freely laugh at ourselves even in (or at?) our own prior ignorance. In truth it's enough to bring a person to tears, although perhaps for some, of sorrow, at first, or deep regret, ALSO to tears of humor, which eventually, after quite a while, because the joke just seems to keep on getting better, peters out in the form of a simple and genuine smile.

So with that said, for reasons I can hardly fathom.., I feel that this OP and my reply in another thread Manic/Psycotic episode on ATS belongs here, as a point of reference, lets call it as a "failed attempt" to sum everything up in the best possible way after taking in all the information available both here at ATS and in the surrounding world, and no he won't mind me posting his story I sure of it. May it help bless him in the new life he's entered into, on the path of progress towards perfection that we're all on, as "works in progress" maybe even, and most certainly if what I suspect is true IS true, Great Works to be in our own becoming, as children of a loving God to a one (no matter what we might "believe") as the one human family that we are.

Originally posted by Samuelis
Last year I was unlucky enough to suffer a manic episode with a psycosis that lasted for 6 weeks, and ended up hospitalising me for 7 days in maximum security at Hobart Royal Hospital.

At the time I was jobless, and it was a long dark depressive winter in Tasmania, and my partner went on a holiday with her family for 2 months around Europe. Around 2 weeks in I became completely fixated on ATS and global new's events to such a degree that I didn't sleep for 5 or so days. I [SNIP] and ate next to nothing other than macdonalds and junk food.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
I created this thread while I was fairly manic and dillusional. It's actually very easy to tell I wasn't well. As the thead goes on I get worse and worse.

The day the cracks began to appear I arrived at the airport to greet my partners family, and realised that I had odd shoes on. The decent from there was very slow and very steady.

I began waking at 3:33 everymorning in cold sweats, I became irratable and very short tempered with my friends and my partner. At this point I began listening to binaural beats in my sleep and was staring at a candle for 30 mins every day (to crack the pineal).

One day I stood up from the computer, I got dressed into my old work clothes from my previous Insurance job and began doorknocking all local business' with an amount of confidence and fearlessness that is just not me or my normal personality.

This is where things get a bit weird.

My perception of time had slowed right down. Time felt slower. I could have a discussion with 3 different people at once, and remember where I was in each conversation. I could focus on individual rain drops while driving 120k'sph while it felt like I was driving 60. Music and colour became amazingly vivid. I felt invincible. I was fast, organised, confident and on top of the world. But the body can only handle this state for so long...

I began believing almost anything that was presented to me. Suffering from delusions of granduer, might have had a short period of believing I was Jesus. Would not shower or drink water under the belief that fluoride was killing me slowly, so I was looking dirty and skinny and very wired.

I would see syncronicity in almost everything I did, song track time lengths & lyrics, 11:11, 2:22 and so on and so on.

My partner left for work one morning and I packed my bags and left. I drove my car to the airport and flew to Townsville where I stayed at the Jupiter hotel. I told noone where I had gone. I spent and gave away my entire life savings. I gave $500 to an aboriginal lady down the main street. I gave my raybans to a kid. I donated to every single charity I could find.

I somehow latched onto the new age theory about the electro magnetic grid framwork of earth that is to be completed this year to ascend to the next dimension. (lol)

I spotted a black hawk helicopter flying up home hill in townsville. I dressed in all red, and ran to the top of the mountain to do battle with the evil elites trying to complete the final piece of this grid that would have the entire human race enslaved. Red so that the martians would think I was one of them... hmm.

I climbed to the top of the mountain, and then jumped the barbedwire fence, and then climbed up the radio tower, so damn high I wasn't even scared of heights like usual. I took a large metal support bar from the dish on top and began carrying it down the mountain. Before long I am walking down the side of a tropical mountain in the pitch black dark in shorts and t shirt. Enormous Spider webs shining in the moonlight in front of me at every turn (normally very fearful of spiders) not a problem in this state. I managed to safely find my way down the wrong side of the mountain, that had many cliff's and shear drops. I took the peice of antenna back to jupiters hotel and was detained by hotel staff trying to sneek the 10ft support bar into the elevator.

Anyway, a week or so later I was found in a strangers back yard in only my undies rolling around in the dirt. I was eating worms and crying quietly to myself. The nice owner told me I would be ok, and called the ambulance. Next thing I know 2 police officers grab me and hold me down. I jumped up and push one officer to the ground and turned to battle the second. I remember clearly at this time looking at the officers gun, and making a move to grab it. I had managed to convince myself that these police were corrupt reptillians coming for me because I was the antichrist.

Anways, being forcfully medicated in a straight jacket and then pissing myself in my sleep was the most sobering experiece in my entire life. I managed to slam dunk a basketball ring outside (im 5ft 10) and climb through the hoop, then along the window frames to the window, jumped out a 2 story window and landed on the footpath amongst people. I just ran. I made it back to my partner, who after an hour or two of dicussion, convinced me to go back to hospital.

Anyways, Today one year on I am no longer depressed, I have an excellent full-time job, I'm healthy and my partner managed to keep loving me through the entire thing. I guess im pretty lucky.

Very interested in hearing some other members stories about mental illness. I figure that the only way to help remove the stigma surrounding mental health is to have healthy discussion about how it can happen and how to react when face to face with someone manic or suffereing from psycosis.

Just because your mentally ill doesn't make you dangerous. Just because your dangerous doesnt make you mentally ill.

Also if anyone is struggeling with depression or anxiety or bi-polar and are needing some advice I am here to answer anything.

Thanks for reading this far.

Samuelis

Here's my reply - it makes for easier reading if I remove the outer quotations, which shrunk the text of his OP to the degree that you couldn't read it very easily.

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That wasn't just a psychotic eposide of "mental illness", it was a freaking HERO's journey!

There's so much allegorical and mythical content in your story that it's both at once hilarious and imho, rather provocative of an attempted "Great Work"!

I know what you were up to, in a strange way it all makes perfect sense!

Among other interesting things you did, you took a large metal support bar (standard) from the apex of a radio tower, down the mountain, and then tried to take it up the elevator of the Jupiter Hotel..! (see, Americanist, that's what happens when you're in a rush to get to the elevator..!)

..only to end up rolling in the dust eating worms.. !

OMG it's so FUNNY!

I love this guy, you're awesome for what you were at least TRYING to do!!!

Too much! That's just awesome.

Glad you pulled through!

Now I don't feel so bad about my own "dark night of the soul".. oh sigh.

What it reveals I think, is that if it was all on either you, or me, we would have blown the assignment..

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You can't tell me that's not amuzing, and in some weird way, relavant.

It made ME laugh anyway.

He also wipes away the tears from our eyes


When the recognition comes, and it's absolutely unique to each person's own spiritual journey, it does or can make us (although it doesn't HAVE to..) laugh and cry and laugh some more, cry, laugh, laugh at the crying, until the smile, the upturned smile to God, who if we are willing, makes his home with us and just like in the story of the prodigal son He envelopes us and recieves us not merely as a servant, but as his son with all the "appointments" (fresh shoes, a ring, a beauitful cloak of many colours, even a party and a great celebration at our return, and with Roast Beef for dinner).

We're ALL in on this conspiracy in the final analysis, don't you see, and the beautiful joke, the magnificent cosmic joke, which comes in many forms, once told, doesn't stop retelling itself, while the double-bind of Jesus Christ, according to his love and righteousness, is indestructible, and perhaps sadly for some, or joyfully for others, unstoppable.

No one can undo what he has done here on earth among us, none can "bind" him, nor defend against his Great and Unbounded Love.

It is the true Rock of all Ages, and he himself is the very Stone that was and HAS BEEN rejected by "the builders" (aka keepers of the flame) which became, and has become the very [keystone] in a royal arch across which humanity cannot be denied access, so that we can, together at last, begin to pass over and into everlasting life and freedom and find new pasture (new domain of creativity in unconstrained and unfettered freedom of a whole new kind..).

It cannot be undone, only contemplated further, and more deeply.. as some laugh, some cry, some laugh AND cry and laugh some more, while some, very few, thankfully, grind their teeth, and weep and wail for all the wrong reasons.. or even for no reason, at all.


Yes, recognition of him brings us to our knees one way or another (freely), but he is also the same hand which reaches down, and lifts us back up again, with tears of relief and sheer joy, that all is well that ends well, and begins anew, well, thank God!

It's for our generation, for this time. It's not the end of something monumental but only the very beginning of it, because it's a pretty good joke, on the other side of the Severity of Justice and the Tender Mercy of absolute forgiveness.

Sadly for some, God is always ahead of schedule, and he sure comes, when he comes, like a thief in the night, but he always comes back, eventually, for those who have the courage to cry out to him for all the right reasons, and, like the father in the story of The Prodigal Son, he comes RUNNING to us, and meets us while we were already a very long way off, while we were making a rather long (we'd gone pretty far away from home some of us) and rather tentative (not sure how we'll be recieved), return home.


For those who will hate, there's nothing that can be done, but for those who's hearts can be broken, incaculable blessings are available to you, things which no ear has heard nor the mind of man concieved, which God holds in store, for those who love him.


May all who thirst freely come, and freely drink from the river of the living water of the flow of eternal life, which is the spirit of God, through the Superdeterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus, of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Best,

NAM aka Bob
Your brother, in Christ.
(and yes, an ex-"wrech" of sorts myself, just like any of you, so there lol)

An inquiry as to the content of this thread has been made, so I thought I'd add my response here for consideration.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

 

One tidbit was that the entire prophetic frame of the Bible (traversing many centuries) leading to him, pointed to him, but if that weren't enough, if you took the time to watch the Real Star of Bethlehem video series, you would see that his life was also framed by the cosmos, and that there were signs, one of which placed his work leading to the cross within the context of a precise schedule known well beforehand, both to himself and to his cousin John. It's all in the thread, and in the title of the thread. Of course he was trained, and enlightened, and born again from above, but there's more to his story than that, and more to his spirit, and the sorrowful wedge of his fated calling and destiny, much more to it than just another enlightened man. But with all that said, as he was called so too are we in following him as the authentic model of perfection and leadership of the right kind, which comes to serve and not to be served. "And as my father first sent me, even so send I you." But the student can never be and needn't be as great as the master. There is something extraordinary about Jesus which IS contained in that thread, and don't blame me for asking that people have to look for it and find it for themselves in discovery to really appropriate it's deeper meaning and significance. It can't be any other way, or I'm just casting pearls before swine, allowing the greatest fact of human history, to be trampled under foot by ignorant and hard-hearted people (no I don't mean you).

I've offered to answer any specific questions anyone might have, but no one's asking..

And to begin with, people would need to be willing to re-open their Bible and re-read the four Gospels with a newly inquisitive eye and a new type of understanding which my thread can help to bring about for those who will.

Would you be willing to sit down and re-read the Gospels again, as if for the first time? Are you really open-minded about Jesus?

The Birth of Jesus

Originally posted by troubleshooter
God's Conspiracy is to blindside the wise, learned, mighty and noble...
...and most of you have been punk'd.

God first said He would do this through His prophet Isaiah who wrote in the 8th century BC...

"...behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid." Isaiah 29:14


Paul quotes from Isaiah in his first letter to Corinth (one of the undisputed letters of Paul)...

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent (learned, intelligent). 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" 1 Corinthians 1:19-20


He did it by turning the human notions of wisdom on its head...

"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:" 1 Corinthians 1:26-28


God designed a way to reveal Himself that would be rejected by the world's best and brightest...
...and it is still blindsiding those who think they are special because of wealth, education or power.


How did God punk most of you?

He revealed Himself as a babe, conceived and born in scandal...
...as a man He healed the sick, sided with the oppressed and raised the dead...
...He opposed the religious and secular elite...
...who executed Him for telling them who He really was...
...but He then turned this corporate murder into a victory over death itself.


Paul said it like this...
"...the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God...the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men."


Your responses will reveal whether you have been punk'd by God or not.

Sorry for repeating this information, again, but for some reason, people are confused and suspect that I'm not making sense, and yet by it's very nature, it's confounding for those who already presume to know but don't even know what they don't know, may they come to realize the degree to which they and we have all been punk'd by God.

The Real Star of Bethlehem

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Americanist

 

To me, what I see (in his Great Work) is something representing both the top, and bottom, of the whole spectrum of all being and becoming, along with the resurrection life as an evolutionary phenomenon or principal of life meeting life (wherein death is swallowed up) and as a domain of new possibility. It's like something fundamental to the real creative process of differentiation (in breakdown) and reintegration (in wholeness, and rediscovery of a new self / new creation). It's not unlike the one, at the very beginning, allowing himself to be blown to pieces on the basis of a caculated gambit (always beginning with the end in mind) that, in the fullness time, he would rediscover himself through his own creation, and in this case, through the son - but the vectors involved, which culminated in the fulfillment of prophecy framing his conception, birth and great work, by signs in the heavens (see star of Bethlehem video series posted earlier in this thread) reveals something even MORE astonishing - in a level of precision-engineered control over the whole of all creation, pointing to a single human life and Great Work, this defies the imagination (I can almost hear God's laughter over my dismay).

Never again in human history will that precise confluence of events, at all levels, reoccur, and so at all levels it really is a passover of human life and history, but ours is the first generation to be in a position to decode this and run the process backwards in time to those events, which include:

1) a perfect conjunction of Jupiter and Venus at conception, 2) a triple retrograde (three times back and forth motion ie: three kings) conjunction of Venus over Regulus (king) at birth, precisely nine months later (with Virgo, the Virgin, clothed in the sun at sunrise, a crescent moon under her feet), followed by a full moon lunar exclipse (blood red moon) coinciding with passover, 33 years after that. That won't be repeated again in human history. If that weren't enough we have his teachings, his humor, his character, charm, actions, and then this "Great Work" to ponder over as to its true meaning and significance, which if it means anything at all, by extension means everything.

It's just too much to take! - we've been punk'd by God!

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

How did he know?

And by "he" who are we talking about?

There, repeated yet again, another huge part of this puzzle - don't know if I can get any clearer than that, except to place this within the larger context of the starry skies above, which I've already done in a post above on this page. Read it and weep, and then hopefully laugh as well when the tears dry up.

God Bless,

NAM

P.S. The only thing missing at this point would be the entire Biblical Prophetic framework pointing to or foreshadowing Christ, much of which he intentionally fullfilled with awareness by playing the role assigned to him to the full, and the rest which automatically fell into place in him. There are something like 400 related verses from the OT, but we can't quote them all here, and don't need to, not once we have those vectors in the sky also testifying from everywhere that indeed Jesus Christ is God and the King of the Jews, who in their rejection of him, made a table for everyone, but the Parable of The Good Samaritan demonstrates that the great Love Jesus was in alignment with, and embodied, wasn't just for the Jews but for any man or woman or child or elder, no matter their race, stature, color, or creed.

Oh what a friend we have in him.

"Love one another, as I have loved you."
~ His only commandment.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Interlude

bump..

bumping, one last time for these three, and you just never know what else might yet appear in this thread if you've already enjoyed these music vids. Americanist might yet have something extraordinary for us to consider and enjoy let's not forget. It's wide open, an opened world

What we've learned however is that God doesn't mess around when it comes to space and time, so if you or I have been freed for HIS sake, well then, that's a whole new type of freedom we've never even previously considered.. and space of love and living streams of everlasting life freely available to all who thirst ie: no charge. It's the greatest gift of heaven of all time. He's given us both our cake and the freedom to eat it too, and he's the cake, for some, and a double bind eventually working itself into a cake, even if only in potentia, for the rest!

It's a time to dance and sing, throw hats in the air, while the Generals, Kings and Queens and Prime Minsiters perhaps mourn, for a time, at least until they learn to make no more war, and to bring an end much of the utter madness, at all levels, recognizing that in Christ, the "performance" of the individual, even yes the average Joe, or the prior misfit as may be the case, is the very keystone in our midst of the royal arch and doorway, of a whole new creation.

When a house is divided it falls and goes thump, while what is eternal lives on. As John said or was attributed to him in the movie "Jesus of Nazareth" - WHEN THE HEARTS OF MEN CHANGE, KINGDOMS WILL CHANGE!!! (shouted out from Herod's Dungeon no less..lol) this is true, but if they don't, what I've come to discover is that they, the kingdoms, go ahead and change anyway, until certain people are royally screwed - so it IS knees bending, and hats in the air (or crowns on the ground), not "or else" but because it's the only sensible thing and the most appropriate, and the most hilarious thing, to do.

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by r2d246

 

You were made in miraculous ways.
Born with Love and destined to its fate.
Your mind's eye will seek an imminent change
Where emotions evoke light from effervescent rays.

I realize all of what you've been through.
Knocked off your feet you stand again.
I've voiced my dreams to foil defeat,
And offer my help when you need it...


System of Truth

Did you create this poem?

Originally posted by ImaFungi

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by r2d246

 

You were made in miraculous ways.
Born with Love and destined to its fate.
Your mind's eye will seek an imminent change
Where emotions evoke light from effervescent rays.

I realize all of what you've been through.
Knocked off your feet you stand again.
I've voiced my dreams to foil defeat,
And offer my help when you need it...


System of Truth

Did you create this poem?

Yes, way back when. It is lengthier than that plus crosses into another. I wrote these poems to a rhythm, so they have the feeling of more a song.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus

I would respond to this with irrefutable, scientific, rational logic, but I don't even know what it means!

reply to post by jiggerj




Good question!

Magnum Opus, means Great Work, in this case as the culmination of the efforts of many over a very longg period, to realize an ideal of perfection, and complete the process in it's final realization.

Cosmological, is fairly self explanaatory and means of cosmic proportions, or universal.

Superdeterminism, I'm using that in a different sense from the standard quantum physics model term, which is used to invalidate Bell's Theorem showing transluminal interconnectedness or what Einstein and others called "spooky action at a distance", to mean, in this case - already established, from a first/last cause in eternity, or simply put, something that was inevitable, because it's eventuality was already imbedded, by design, into the creation, such that it could only arise, and be seen as having arisen, as a result of a creative intent, and a level of foreknowledge and high precision design-control, that can only have initiated already with the end in mind, from the very beginning, including, by extension, the formation of the entire universe itself, with earth and the human being included as an integral part of the big BIG picture, if you will, even yes as an cosmic evolutionary process. The point where God catches up with himself in the person of the son of God etering the scene to complete the previously "unfinished business", left only for he himself to complete. So a marker was left, in the divine order of creation by which Jesus was recognized by the Magi, and came to recognize himself as having a very special task to perform - his Great Work aka Magnum Opus, which has now been established at a point in time and history, which for all due purposes and in the grand scheme of things might well have happened yesterday as it did about 2000 years ago.

Hope that helps, but please, don't make it your task, your mission, to refut it, before fully considering ALL the information I've presented in this thread, and please, if possible bracket the tendency to simply react with the traditional anti-religious sentiment, because that's not what this has been about, and it may even stand in diametric opposition to organized religious authority for all we know, on that I can't say.

I'm trying to keep it honest, and insightful, not as something to be held up to ridicule by the standard atheist reaction/reasponse, which would be hurtful to me, to see my work here treated in that manner, as something small and petty, easily discarded as of no consequence whatsoever. Let's not do that I hope, so that said, all I ask for is an open mind and a willingness to consider things from a new perspective, absolutely free from any sort of prior contemptuous bias or set of presupposition prior to investigation, which in the words of Herbert Spencer, Scientist, is a certain way to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance.

Best Regards,

NAM