Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Um, there is another explanation as to how he could have done that little trick,

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
To develop an understanding, at least in part, of Jesus the master conspirator's modus operandi, in terms of his extraordinary ability to get ahead of the curve in anticipation of what was required to bring about his Magnum Opus, I encourage those who are interested to explore this thread.

The Woman @ The Well: How the Historical Jesus Performed a "Miracle" + Reflections.

but not how the prophetic framework could have held up over the centuries, right up to his birth, and work on the cross, which is rather superdeterministic, even cosmological, that's another matter altogether. His next sign, after the woman at the well episode, in the spontaneous healing-at-a-distance of the official's son, now there was a bonified miracle!

Thank you for your contribution. It will be interesting to see what else you might be able to contribute from your own research into the God who entered human history as man, while fullfilling every prophecy all the way down the line, to a t.

Best Regards,

NAM

What I don't understand is the smile on the face of JtB. After all, if he is in communication with the Holy Spirit to a degree that we cannot understand (remember that he lept in the womb), then surely he knows that he is going to meet an ignominious end to his physical life and become, historically, the second fiddle to JC. One might casually assume that since JtB was not God nor an angel, that he suffered from all the normal human frailties - doubt, discouragement, envy, malice, etc. How on earth then could he maintain the "I've got a secret" look on his face in that painting as he points skyward?

Or is it the painter who has a secret and is simply projecting through JtB that he has a secret and that secret is that JtB was really bored with life by the time he had his head lopped off, tired of the honey, tired of the hair coats, and dust, the baptisms that take an infernally long time to finish with all the wailing and laughter (hey, just get dunked and get the hell out, o.k.?)

Originally posted by BSTStar
What I don't understand is the smile on the face of JtB. After all, if he is in communication with the Holy Spirit to a degree that we cannot understand (remember that he lept in the womb), then surely he knows that he is going to meet an ignominious end to his physical life and become, historically, the second fiddle to JC. One might casually assume that since JtB was not God nor an angel, that he suffered from all the normal human frailties - doubt, discouragement, envy, malice, etc. How on earth then could he maintain the "I've got a secret" look on his face in that painting as he points skyward?

Or is it the painter who has a secret and is simply projecting through JtB that he has a secret and that secret is that JtB was really bored with life by the time he had his head lopped off, tired of the honey, tired of the hair coats, and dust, the baptisms that take an infernally long time to finish with all the wailing and laughter (hey, just get dunked and get the hell out, o.k.?)

Good question, very good one!

It's obviously based on daVinci's estoteric made exoteric understanding of "JtB" (that's an easy way to type it, too bad I just typed this explanation to go with it!).

John was, to Jesus, and even to himself, since Jesus verified and validataed him as the second coming or reincarnation of Elijah, aware of this "spirit" he had, along with a certain unfulfilled promise for a "double portion" of the spirit made at the Jordan river centuries prior, in an exchange between Elijah and Elisha (initiates), and both he and Jesus, as cousins, yes where the unborn infant John lept in his mother Elizabeth's womb at the sound of pregnant Mary's voice (they would have been told this story btw..) they both recognized their close tie to one another, and to prophecy, and John knew of Jesus' secret mission well in advance, knew what he spent almost 20 years of his life in preparation for, so he knew what was coming, even precisely when Jesus would arrive onto the scene (long range corresopndance WAS possible even back then). As Jesus' forerunner, he is in effect paving the way, and generating the spirit of prophecy (the domain of possibility) neccessary for Jesus to in turn perform his great work. Once Jesus entered the frame, John knew he had to grow smaller, so that Jesus would grow ever larger. They both had it all worked out, and it was a secret, which contained imbedded within itself, the capacity to move history and the world, to fall an empire, to separate wheat from chaff, and to baptise in the holy spirit whereby John is Baptising with water. In a way he's like Jesus' big brother, but Jesus is of a magnitude by far greater, born of the spirit of the heavenly father, whereby John is, among those born of wowen, the very best of the best. So while Jesus is a type of Elisha (initiated by Elijah) there is something even greater here. Nevertheless, when they did "as righteousness commands" lo and behold in John's vision, down came the spirit like a dove to settle on Jesus, along with a heavenly voice that said "this is my son in whom I am well pleased".

So he's like a man, in our world, holding the world's most powerful gun I guess you say!

He was also Jesus' initiator (hey everyone needs one in somebody, we can't do everything alone). John of course also knew of Jesus' um controversial lineage problem, and so he had the whole picture, both the prophecy, the spirit of Elijah (to fullfill the promise made, but not given, yet, as Elijah was "swept away"), and full awareness of precisely what Jesus was up to, and why (retaining absolute purity and perfection ie: who's righteousness is so great that the average man, even a prophet, would not be fit to untie his sandle strap). He knew even before Jesus arrived on the scene (returned to the region?), that he was Elijah, and that Jesus was "the Lamb of God sent to take away the sins of the world", and that's a secret enough to put a smile on anyone's face.

Remember too that his ministry was given - "from the wilderness" (fullfilling yet another prophecy, among many I'm sure), meaning that the spirit of God had left the temple, which had become corrupted by Pharisees in obsequious and self-serving collusion with Roman Imperialism (they might not have had a lot of choice in the matter, but they'd nevertheless sold out), the result of which John's and Jesus' people were losing land and homes, and getting increasingly mired into an almost subserviant and subjugated rule under Roman occupation, so he's carrying in the crux of his left arm (malformed left arm pointing to himself in darkness, the one no one need consider or look at), a very VERY BIG GUN indeed, and they both knew darn well that they were risking their lives and had already made a pact, so while his death was tragic (I'm sure he was redeemed in heaven) it was also a sign to Jesus, who the moment he heard of it - turned to face Jerusalem, more aware than ever before of the fated calling and path set before him.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Clue or puzzle piece #1)

John the Baptist, by Leonardo daVinci

"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
~ Mathew 3:11

The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"
~ John 1:29

P.S. If you look very closely, at the proportion of the head in relation to the angle of the neck, you'll see that Leonardo has painted this as if John's head is already rolling..!

That Leonardo! -Wonderful sense of humor, and genius!

That's a good one! (in a macabre kind of way I suppose..)

Best Regards,


NAM

Originally posted by BSTStar
Or is it the painter who has a secret and is simply projecting through JtB that he has a secret and that secret is that JtB was really bored with life by the time he had his head lopped off, tired of the honey, tired of the hair coats, and dust, the baptisms that take an infernally long time to finish with all the wailing and laughter (hey, just get dunked and get the hell out, o.k.?)

That's funny!

C'mon he knew he'd get in trouble at some point, why not a clean cut when all is said and done. It's not the quantity of life, but the quality of living for a magnificent principal worth dying for, that's real life.

Maybe he knew that a least one head would have to roll, and volunteered for the job?

That's what is implied in daVinci's painting, and it's funny as can be!

I said at the outset that we would be talking about things very funny AND rather grave, both at the same time. Glad to see that little prophecy played itself out.

Beheading of St. John the Baptist

According to the Synoptic Gospels, Herod had imprisoned John because he reproved Herod for divorcing his wife (Phasaelis), and unlawfully taking Herodias, the wife of his brother Herod Philip I. On Herod's birthday, Herodias' daughter (traditionally named Salome) danced before the king and his guests. Her dancing pleased Herod so much that in his drunkenness he promised to give her anything she desired, up to half of his kingdom. When the daughter asked her mother what she should request, she was told to ask for the head of John the Baptist on a platter. Although Herod was appalled by the request, he reluctantly agreed and had John executed in the prison.[1]

The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus also relates in his Antiquities of the Jews that Herod killed John, stating that he did so, "lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his [John's] power and inclination to raise a rebellion, (for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise), [so Herod] thought it best [to put] him to death." He further states that many of the Jews believed that the military disaster which fell upon Herod at the hands of Aretas his father-in-law (Phasaelis' father), was God's punishment for his unrighteous behavior.[2]

None of the sources give an exact date, which was probably in the years 30-35, and according to Josephus the death took place at the fortress of Machaerus.

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Let's think this through.. John held Herod's feat to the fire and was imprisoned in his dungeon. John was also preaching a minstry of a changing of kingdoms, and indeed had a large following, even the respect of the Jewish temple priests (Jesus to the scribes/pharisees - "Tell me, was John's baptism from man or from God?"). Therefore he knew, as Jesus knew precisely which jail John was headed for (no pun intended), and they would have been aware of Herod's preferred mode of execution in his dungeon, and thus, if it were an inevitability that Herod could not "host" John indefinitely, yet could not release him either, then...

So John went straight for the throat and nailed Herod on his worst sin (unlawfully talking for himself the wife of his brother) certain to utterly enrage Herod, securing John's fate.

He and Jesus probably discussed it well beforehand, and agreed as to the outcome, making of John the first willing martyr for the sake of their common purpose, so there's many layers of possible meaning and significance in daVinci's painting of John who really has no choice but to grin and bear it! Like Jesus he too got the last laugh, so it's all good in the final analysis.

Pretty brave of him, to also do the right thing for all the right reasons, while being obediant unto death for the sake of the Lord's Great Work, one he himself helped initiate - that's powerful!

That painting, "John the Baptist" by daVinci, just like The Last Supper, is a true masterpiece! Too bad we here who are reading this thread are the only ones able to fully appreciate it's true significance, and humor too, even in the face of the most grave of circumstances. I'm impressed. He did it again, that daVinci, what an impish and playful sense of genius, bravo! And now we've decoded both of them, and they are amuzing, but not in an offensive way that's the thing!

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Zoom+Scroll Leonardo da Vinci's Blasphemous Joke "The Last Supper" in High Res.

This is also very funny "The Last Supper" in a very grave sort of way as well, but I've caught the inner hidden meaning of it, which contains a triumph that while some of the disciples are catching on, do not fully understand, but the pulling of Mary to his right, to create the V! OMG, crazy. That daVinci I tell you! Oh sigh.

Here's a fairly big high res pic of it

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Jesus understood that there's nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come, and it appears, very clearly, that it was he who sent it out, like a message in a bottle, to be opened by the first generation capable of understanding and decoding it, and that's OUR generation and THIS moment in history, as solipsistic as that may seem, but it get's even better and still more astounding, in my own experience, whereby, upon receipt of the message, we, the intended recipient, open it and then exclaim to our utter fascination, if not glee, when we see that it was and could only have been, intended, for none other than we ourselves, at this moment in history - "HOW DID HE KNOW?!"

Hang in there reader, you'll get the nature of this cosmic joke before we're through..

Best Regards,

NAM

I intend to keep this promise, until we all realize that in the fullness of time and history we've all been punk'd by God, but that it's a joke we're invited to share with him, even if in large part and in the light of reason, it's a self depracating joke at the expense of all our prior ignorance and absurdity. And then we will come to know the very truth that sets us free in eternity, but a truth which because we are set free for his sake (for the sake of righteousness) really and truly sets us free indeed. Then the knee it just bows of its own accord ya can't even really help it, but it's not in subjugation, but willing submission in the face of his love, his justice and his tender mercy, enough to EVOKE our repentance while at the same time, lifting us UP from our knees, only to burst out now in tears of BOTH sorrow and regret (over a life lived in utter blindness and veiled ignorance) AND tears of joy and laughter, until we stand up perhaps taller than we have in years, with a newfound smile capable of wiping all those tears away from the eyes! It's a very special kind of baptism I have in mind for those who will..

And for those who won't, once it goes out the joke will simply keep retelling itself in different forms until it finally gets to you in a way unique to your own personal experience, if not in this life, then in the next.

The only issue... Why would such an exalted figure not have a disciple (or 12) illustrate a doughnut, a whirlpool, and some vector-based patterns catering to our perception of matter. This doesn't require a book the size of a brick to communicate. It only becomes tainted down the line.

Genesis 1:6
'Let there be a vault in the waters to divide the waters in two' And it was so. God made the vault, and it divided the waters above the vault from the waters under the vault. God called the vault heaven.

The End.

reply to post by Americanist

I don't quite know what you mean, but you may find that the way God handled it within the context of "the firmament of the heavenly hosts" demonstrates a degree of control and anticipation (command of time, space and matter) that is truly and utterly extraordinary. The Bible then is like a framework of prophecy which foreshadows and paves the way for this singular great work to occur, with the aim being that in the final analysis it would not and could not be missed or disputed, and that's where our generation comes in, being the first to have a grasp (however limited it remains) of the magnitude of the creation, and of high precision astronomy capable of moving forward and backards in time, even to a moment in time and history almost 2000 years ago, where a single man's birth, life and his singular, unique and personal mission, was framed and pinpointed by the relative motion of the earth, sun, moon, planets and stars. Talk about pinholed! How he handled it, without going insane and remaining true to himself and the spirit then says everything, and reveals something even more extraordinary than a "mere" superdeterministic event in the space-time continuum.

To then say, why didn't he demonstrate it another way (and there were signs and wonders galore) according to another person's expectation is imho, absurd.

However, based on what you've described about the origin of the firmament of the heavens, there may still be indeed an answer capable of satisfying you too..

And don't forget too that if he simply did the one magic trick you describe, with no thick book of prophecy running through ancient history up to 2000 years ago, all we'd still have would be a second hand story about it.. so which are we more likely to accept..?

Originally posted by Americanist
The only issue... Why would such an exalted figure not have a disciple (or 12) illustrate a doughnut, a whirlpool, and some vector-based patterns catering to our perception of matter. This doesn't require a book the size of a brick to communicate. It only becomes tainted down the line.

Genesis 1:6
'Let there be a vault in the waters to divide the waters in two' And it was so. God made the vault, and it divided the waters above the vault from the waters under the vault. God called the vault heaven.

Tainted? Maybe, to a degree, but the overall integrity of its prophetic frame holds firm.

The Real Star of Bethlehem


Just to be clear, you asked for "a whirlpool, and some vector-based patterns catering to our perception of matter" within the context of the creation of "the firmament in the waters" below (as above), right?

Let's not forget either that the 12 Tribes of Israel also are symbolic of the 12 equinoxes, which are sufficient to descibe our visible (manfest) relation to the rest of our galaxy, and to the creation beyond. So there's your twelve desciples. I rest my case. The end.

Ah but it's only just the beginning, (please turn to the last page of your bible)..

Thirsty anyone?

and we will be his people and he will be our God and come to make his home with us, and he will call us, his son.

We must consider ourselves therefore fully punk'd by God in the best possible way, according to Jesus Christ's Superdeterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus.

With love,

your brother in Christ. NAM.

P.S. Oh God he is so funny and loving, you have no idea, or maybe you do, and maybe that Good Book is worth cracking open again in the new light of reason, with new information, and we will divide the word rightly, and sift the diamonds from the rough, but a diamond there IS! This is what I've discovered and wanted to share with everyone, that he's real, and symphatic too, that's the funny part, he knows us and our plight 100%. It's crazy, and too good to be true yes I realize, but every once in a while, or I should say, one time only, the truth wins out and triumphs over history, in the form of a passover.

Jesus Christ's Superderterministic, Cosmological, Magnum Opus.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Interlude

bump..

bump again, with Celine Dion (Catholic) vid, included.

Let us celebrate however, the WHOLE Lord, not just the half of him, but his entire self, including most of all, his resurrection life, a free gift that he alone was in a position to offer us freely. It's a real marvel (sigh). Oh what a friend we have in Jesus, eh? Remarkable.

Best Regards, and God Bless,

NAM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Clue or puzzle piece #1)
John the Baptist, by Leonardo daVinci

"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
~ Mathew 3:11

The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"
~ John 1:29

John is seen here then, as represented by daVinci to us, as knowingly "dropping" his left-handedness and his body (note the angle and proportion of the head to the left side of his body) while his head and right arm which are in alignment with the radiant light, tells the story. The left part of his neck, in alignment with his right hand, is self-torn you could say, while John's assurance and the reason for his knowing smile resides in what his right finger is pointing to (cross) and BEYOND, into the domain of light and love and the eternal life where he is already enjoying his reward to come. What allows him to smile in the face of his own self-awareness of his impending death, is the secret knowledge of all knowledge contained in the person, and prophecy, of his cousin Jesus, a work that John is given by the spirit and prophecy to help realize. Note also the length of the root-stem of the cross cradled in John's left arm, which indicates the length both of prophecy and of John's secret knoweldge of what was to come, when Jesus returned to the scene, fully prepared to complete everything and sum it all up within himself. It was rather long standing secret with John, this prophecy, maybe and very likely going all the way back to the person of Elijah (his spirit).

But in painting this and making it visible, that's ingenius, because it reveals in this case, John's eternal life to the beholder, or in the light of what is shown.

It should be noted that nowhere but here at ATS, has the true meaning and significance of this painting and "the John sign" been brought to light so to speak, and it puts a smile on MY face that we're now able to appreciate it as it was intended.

John is delighted, and so he should be, regardless.


On an allegorically amuzing note, my whole career life I've worked as a "Headhunter" and it would appear that John was too, in more ways than one.

The "rolling" head of JtB


First and Second Finding of the Head of St. John the Baptist (February 24). According to church tradition after the execution of John the Baptist, his disciples buried his body at Sebaste, but Herodius[clarification needed] took his severed head and buried it in a dung heap. Later, Saint Joanna, who was married to Herod's steward,[3] secretly took his head and buried it on the Mount of Olives, where it remained hidden for centuries.

The First Finding occurred in the fourth century. The property on the Mount of Olives where the head was buried eventually passed into the possession of a government official who became a monk with the name of Innocent. He built a church and a monastic cell there. When he started to dig the foundation, the vessel with the head of John the Baptist was uncovered. But fearful that the relic might be abused by unbelievers, he hid it again in the same place it had been found. Upon his death the church fell into ruin and was destroyed.

The Second Finding occurred in the year 452. During the days of Constantine the Great, two monks on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem reportedly saw visions of John the Baptist, who revealed to them the location of his head. They uncovered the relic, placed it in a sack and proceeded home. Along the way they encountered an unnamed potter and gave him the bag to carry, not telling him what it was. The Forerunner appeared to him and ordered him to flee from the careless and lazy monks, with what he held in his hands. He did so and took the head home with him. Before his death he placed it in a container and gave it to his sister. After some time, a hieromonk by the name of Eustathius, an Arian, came into possession of it, using it to attract followers to his teaching. He buried the head in a cave, near Emesa. Eventually, a monastery was built at that place. In the year 452 St John the Baptist appeared to Archimandrite Marcellus of this monastery, and indicated where his head was hidden in a water jar buried in the earth. The relic was brought into the city of Emesa, and was later transferred to Constantinople.

Third Finding of the Head of St. John the Baptist (May 25). The head was transferred to Comana of Cappadocia during a period of Muslim raids (about 820) and it was hidden in the ground during a period of iconoclastic persecution. When the veneration of icons was restored in 850, Patriarch Ignatius of Constantinople (847-857) saw in a vision the place where the head of St John had been hidden. The patriarch communicated this to the emperor Michael III, who sent a delegation to Comana, where the head was found. Afterwards the head was again transferred to Constantinople, and here on May 25 it was placed in a church at the court.

Other pieces of John, including his right hand, are purpoted to have been found, some of which remain as relics in various museums and locales in different part of the world

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stranger still, before he resurfaced in this thread, I had a very vivid dream of taking my head off, or having it removed, by my own hand, and then putting it back on again, and, even though there was a scar, it healed quite nicely!

Is there's any corrolation to John the Baptist here, then me say that where he baptised you in water, I baptise you in the humor of understanding, to make way for the Lord, because "when the hearts of men change, kingdoms will change."

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Absurdity? Let's focus on simplicity... Yes, you posted a graphic. I was about to say pic, or it didn't happen, and interestingly enough... You read my mind.



By "he" you mean Infinity? Jesus? Or God in the flesh? Let us recall the OT as one civilization achieved great heights only to be trampled in spirit plus confounded with the rest. Our story extends much further than what you find in the Bible. There's also a much easier form of depiction. Surely you don't believe you're referencing the purest and/ or oldest known records? If that's the case, I'm going to marry a bunch of slave girls, add a few concubines, and then throw us a sandals only party at my place.

Mastermind intellect is defined by both the Hebrew and English languages. Not only do these acquiesce to vowel sounds, but the former ramps up shapes. More to the point... The ancients gave us astrology and astronomy. Cycles have been understood for millenniums. What happened? Power brokers devolved the information for personal gain while distorting society. I'd lump King James and most religions into this heap of madness.

The enthusiasm you've shown here is nothing new. The root is Love, and it's a palpable reality for everybody. At least that's the most pristine possibility available to us. So instead of reading the "good book," I believe it's best we listen to a song this evening...





Then keep listening.

reply to post by Americanist


blue star to you for that.

it's a house, yes, and we're all one family.

and no it's nothing new, since the kingdom of heaven is like a storeheeper who brings forth from his storehouse both something old AND something new.

"Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life and I will dwell in the house of the Lord, forever."
~ David, end of 23'rd Pslams.

Thanks for your contribution. It's good, it's all good and all is well that ends well and begins anew, well.

Best Regards,

NAM

Originally posted by Americanist
By "he" you mean Infinity? Jesus? Or God in the flesh?

That, right there is the deep, hidden mystery of Christ born and reborn.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
How did he know?

And by "he" who are we talking about?

It's impossible to differentiate one from another.

He, Jesus of Nazareth (which means "of the truth" or the authentic one, as there were other Messiahs running around back then) accepted the fated calling assigned to him and fullfilled it, perfectly, and to a t, in perfect and continuous obediance, even unto death, without for a moment foresaking the principal of Love, nor the standard of of the twin pillars of Justice and Mercy (righteousness), at the heart of it all, and he did all this while fully identifying himself with God the father as the first father of creation ie: the first/last cause, with whom he considered himself to be in direct and intimate spiritual contact (Atma and Brahma are one) where God and the son are both one and two, because two are required for there to BE Love in the first place. Thererfore, it is a Great Work or a Magnum Opus by the God of Love, performed through the son in whom the very Love of God was made manifest and transparent, a Work fulfilled at last in the fullness of time and history, as a Passover which both passes over our own transgressions (sin), which would otherwise lead to separation and thus, to cataclysm, while also passing over the whole of human history which includes the entire circle of the karmic wheel, and the debt that it's paradox does not and cannot resolve, at least not quickly enough!

It represents the cornerstone, the foundation, and the whole structure of the house, and then invites us to enter in and come to dinner, no matter how crippled we may be as we hobble to the table (with a smile on our face).


Further illustration, to grasp this concept of son and father as one.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Jesus Christ is the Phi Ratio Son of God

The Golden Proportion is analogous to God’s relationship to creation

The Golden Section, or Phi, found throughout nature, also applies in understanding the relationship of God to Creation. In the golden section, we see that there is only one way to divide a line so that its parts are in proportion to, or in the image of, the whole:

The ratio of the larger section (B) to the whole line (A) is the same as the ratio as the smaller section (C) to the large section (B):

Only “tri-viding” the whole preserves the relationship to the whole
And so it is with our understanding of God, that we are created in His image. Not by dividing the whole, but only by tri-viding the whole does each piece retain its unique relationship to the whole. Only here do we see three that are two that are one.

The Book of John begins with these words that capture the essence of this:

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

Jesus, in John 14:9, expressed a similar thought:

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.


Conclusion:

The human Jesus (the Son of Man) is to the divine Jesus (the Son of God) as the divine Jesus (the Son of God) is to God (the Father or whole).

www.goldennumber.net...

The key here, however, isn't in a particularized Jesus-on-a-pedestal, however, but a spiritual realization in terms of what it says about our true stature as human beings, at all levels, and how we were intended to live, through his overcoming of the world and his radical, transformative forgiveness.

It is in this way a principal of spiritual and evolutionary growth leading all the way to the Godhead, relative to whom, eternal life is ours, prepared also for us, from the very foundation of the world.

It's about an inheritance that we did not work for.

How to recieve this gift - that, is the challenge posed to us. It's not about just belief or even faith, but how to appropriate the gift giving at the heart of it, let alone how to even open it (the prescious gift) up in the first place, since it is a gift that already resides, at least in latent potentiality, within our own heart and soul!

Abba! Father! - through him, we too have the power to relate to God the Absolute Eternal Godhead in an intimate, familial way, as if, like the prodigal son (that's me too), having returned home at last, who, although once lost, is now found, and once dead, alive again relative to God the father.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I haven't had time to delve into your thread but I intend to. I am curious and will reserve any comments until I have the time to go down the rabbit hole so to speak. The study of the graphics alone would appear to require a great deal of time and research.

I am not sure if we will ever truly break Leonardo's code, not even with our technology but it is interesting to try and then see where that leads us.

reply to post by Egyptia


Welcome! Looking forward to your feedback and comments after you've resurfaced from the rabbit hole.

Surely they are blessed immeasurably, those people in both "low" and "high" places (there's another double or quaruple bind in that btw..lol) who, in recognizing the truth when it's placed before them, throw their hats into the air (or crowns onto the ground) and then on bended knee, in either sorrow or joy, or BOTH, proclaim, from their own mouth, in all honesty, and for all the right reasons, that "Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior".

"Worthy is the lamb."

And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

~ Rev 5:9-14

The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:
“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes —who are they, and where did they come from?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’[a]
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’[c]”

Rev 7:9-17

Where the streets have no name.. ?





No one can pull the plug on this one (celebration) come either hell or high water.

After all, who can defend or repell against the love of God? Who would want to?

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