Who is Jesus? Son of God or God?

IMO god manifested in the flesh because we're not developed enough to understand the complexities of his ways and the universe.
At this point, we're infants so denying god outright is foolish.
Just the fact that he created the universe is enough proof of the benevolence of his authority.
We are so far from understanding reality in a total, all encompassing way, so closing a big door w ill only leave you with less space.
Life is sacred and just by looking at the universe, we know this. So far, we're all walking miracles

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stupid girl,

If you subscribe to the theory that Jesus was crucified, you need to wake up now.

God did not come to Earth to be crucified to save His Creation, He has no need to.

He created the Heavens and the Earth with a single word, and established a mandate for each.

He showed the straight path to salvation.. that of Worshipping HIm ONLY, and to not make anyONE or anyTHING as a partner to Him.

It's a clear path, but most of you choose the path that leads to destruction instead.

God has created us, and then NAMED us, and NUMBERED us with the right numbering.

Let those who have ears, Hear!

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by stupid girl

 

stupid girl,

If you subscribe to the theory that Jesus was crucified, you need to wake up now.

God did not come to Earth to be crucified to save His Creation, He has no need to.

He created the Heavens and the Earth with a single word, and established a mandate for each.

He showed the straight path to salvation.. that of Worshipping HIm ONLY, and to not make anyONE or anyTHING as a partner to Him.

It's a clear path, but most of you choose the path that leads to destruction instead.

God has created us, and then NAMED us, and NUMBERED us with the right numbering.

Let those who have ears, Hear!

I disagree.

Let those who have ears hear that, too.

Peace.

reply to post by queenofangels_17

If you subscribe to the theory that Jesus was crucified, you need to wake up now.

If you subscribe to the theory that Muhammad was a true prophet, you need to wake up now.

Seriously. Isn't it kind of hard for Muslims to be preaching about worshiping one God when they're supposed to testify that Muhammad was a true messenger or true Apostle of God along with it?

In the Shahada, why not just say "There is no god but God" without having to add "Muhammad is the messenger of God."?

How is that any different than Christians proclaiming that Christ was the one who died for our sins?

I'm not seeing any difference here.

reply to post by queenofangels_17

He showed the straight path to salvation.. that of Worshipping HIm ONLY, and to not make anyONE or anyTHING as a partner to Him.

That's why I don't subscribe to religion as much as philosophy. Philosophy is a chosen way of thinking based off of certain rules of logic. Religion is a set of beliefs that must be adhered to, or else.

Sorry, but psychology says that religion is more wrong than right. Adversely, of course, psychology says that religion also has just as many advantages as disadvantages...depends on how you're looking at it, really.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by queenofangels_17

 

He showed the straight path to salvation.. that of Worshipping HIm ONLY, and to not make anyONE or anyTHING as a partner to Him.

That's why I don't subscribe to religion as much as philosophy. Philosophy is a chosen way of thinking based off of certain rules of logic. Religion is a set of beliefs that must be adhered to, or else.

Sorry, but psychology says that religion is more wrong than right. Adversely, of course, psychology says that religion also has just as many advantages as disadvantages...depends on how you're looking at it, really.

Philosophy is the study of truth so that one can act wisely. But of what use is philosophy if you deny the Truth?

There is only ONE GOD. That is the Truth. Religion shows how to worship God, it unites man's social life with his worship of the Almighty God.

Social laws spring from the mind of the people, while religious laws are descended from God. Following the commandments of God makes one prosperous not only in this life but in the permanent abode which is the Hereafter.

There are no disadvantages if you are in the right religion.

9:52 Say: Can ye await for us aught save one of two good things death or victory in Allah's way? while we await for you that Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands. Await then! Lo! we are awaiting with you.


The Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom.

2:269 He giveth wisdom unto whom He will, and he unto whom wisdom is given, he truly hath received abundant good. But none remember except men of understanding.

reply to post by queenofangels_17

Religion shows how to worship God, it unites man's social life with his worship of the Almighty God.

Let's focus right there. You're right, it shows how to worship. Thing is, spirituality is not specifically worship. Spirituality is a connection. Religion teaches us to find it outside of us, spirituality teaches us that it's actually INSIDE of us.

Finding an outside invisible bearded man in the sky makes it easier to worship, that's all.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by queenofangels_17

 

If you subscribe to the theory that Jesus was crucified, you need to wake up now.

If you subscribe to the theory that Muhammad was a true prophet, you need to wake up now.

Seriously. Isn't it kind of hard for Muslims to be preaching about worshiping one God when they're supposed to testify that Muhammad was a true messenger or true Apostle of God along with it?

In the Shahada, why not just say "There is no god but God" without having to add "Muhammad is the messenger of God."?

How is that any different than Christians proclaiming that Christ was the one who died for our sins?

I'm not seeing any difference here.

The shahada of the true followers of Jesus in his time is " There is no God but Allah and Jesus is the messenger of Allah. " same with Moses and the prophets sent before the Prophet Muhammad. The testimony of faith to God is followed by testimony of Faith to the messenger He has sent. God sent ONLY ONE MESSAGE, through different messengers throughout time to guide mankind... THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.
NIV (1984)
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

New Living Translation (©2007)
And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

English Standard Version (©2001)
And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

***

They all translates to " There is ONLY ONE GOD, and Jesus is sent by God ( His Messenger)

Muslims believe in all the Prophets sent by God not only the Prophet Muhammad. That is the difference. The Muslims fulfilled God's Covenant, by believing in God Alone and the Messengers whom He has sent.

The Christians proclaiming that Jesus died for their sins, is proclaiming something that never happened. It's a wishful thinking on their part and conjecture which in no wise replace the Truth.

To gain Eternal life according to Jesus is to believe in the ONLY TRUE GOD, and to believe that Jesus is His messenger.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His laws never change, whoever believes in Him as the ONLY TRUE GOD, and believes in the Messengers whom He has sent will have Eternal life and whoever disbelieves Him and His Messengers will have eternal punishment in the Fire.

2:39 But they who disbelieve, and deny our revelations, such are rightful owners of the fire. They will abide therein.

2:119Lo! We have sent thee (O Muhammad) with the truth, a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell fire.

2:175 Those are they who purchase error at the price of guidance, and torment at the price of pardon. How constant are they in their strife to reach the fire!

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2:256 There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

Peace!

reply to post by queenofangels_17


And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. " (Luke 22:19,20)

Peace

reply to post by queenofangels_17


If there is no compulsion in religion why do Muslims kill those who convert to Christianity? Murder seems like compulsion to me. If there is no compulsion in religion could i wear a T-Shirt with a cross on it in Mecca?

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
reply to post by stupid girl

 

stupid girl,

If you subscribe to the theory that Jesus was crucified, you need to wake up now.

God did not come to Earth to be crucified to save His Creation, He has no need to.

He created the Heavens and the Earth with a single word, and established a mandate for each.

He showed the straight path to salvation.. that of Worshipping HIm ONLY, and to not make anyONE or anyTHING as a partner to Him.

It's a clear path, but most of you choose the path that leads to destruction instead.

God has created us, and then NAMED us, and NUMBERED us with the right numbering.

Let those who have ears, Hear!

Wrong. A blood debt was encurred by Adam. Genesis 22 and Exodus 12 are prophecies of the crucifixtion of Christ, you're the one that needs to wake up.

Genesis 22:6-13

6 So Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together. 7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”

And he said, “Here I am, my son.”

Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”

8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.

9 Then they came to the place of which God had told him. And Abraham built an altar there and placed the wood in order; and he bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”

So he said, “Here I am.”

12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

13 Then Abraham lifted his eyes and looked, and there behind him was a ram caught in a thicket by its horns. So Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up for a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of the place, The-Lord-Will-Provide; as it is said to this day, “In the Mount of the Lord it shall be provided.”

Abraham made his son Isaac carry the wood on which he was to be sacrificed just as Jesus was made to carry the wood on which he was to be crucified, but because of Abraham's willingness to give up his only legitmate son through which Abraham's ingeritance would have passed through, God gave him another sacrifice in his stead, which would later be Jesus.

The Exodus 12 Passover was another prophecy where the lamb's blood would be shed to cover mankind from God's judgement and his blood be on us as was the posts and lintels. So you see, you call God a liar for he is the omne who gave these prophecies.

Then there's the story written in the geneaology of names from Adam to Jesus.
















Isaiah 45:22-23

22 “ Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;

For I am God, and there is no other.

23 “ I have sworn by Myself,

The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness

And will not turn back,

That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

In Isaiah Yahweh is the Savior, the name above all names


Philipians 2:4-11

4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude [e]in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be [f]grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In Philipians 2 Jesus holds the name above all names, the Savior. You are on the wrong side of the fence darlin'. Ultimately it will not matter, your mind is made up. I wish you the best of luck in what remains to you because the Jesus you believe in is the Devil.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Wrong. A blood debt was encurred by Adam.

It never actually says that anywhere.

Genesis 22 and Exodus 12 are prophecies of the crucifixtion of Christ, you're the one that needs to wake up.

If that was so, don't you think that would have been mentioned in the New Testament.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Wrong. A blood debt was encurred by Adam.

It never actually says that anywhere.

Genesis 22 and Exodus 12 are prophecies of the crucifixtion of Christ, you're the one that needs to wake up.

If that was so, don't you think that would have been mentioned in the New Testament.

What do you think the Feast of Passover is for hm? It's just one of the dressrehearsals of prophecy that was to be fulfilled. How did you get this far and not ever figure out the significance of the jewish feastdays in correlation to christianity? Pesach, Shavuot, Rosh Hoshana, Yom Kippur and Sukkot, and you didn't know about any of these and how they tie into christianity? They were mentioned in the New Testament, you just don't know what you're looking at.

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There are quite a few prophecies of Christ not explicitly mentioned in the NT. What does that prove?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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There are quite a few prophecies of Christ not explicitly mentioned in the NT. What does that prove?

How do I get the two of you to move your arguments over to one of my threads? I need to up my page counts

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

What do you think the Feast of Passover is for hm?

To remember the Exodus from Egypt.

It's just one of the dressrehearsals of prophecy that was to be fulfilled.

"Dress rehearsal" for what prophecy?

How did you get this far and not ever figure out the significance of the jewish feastdays in correlation to christianity?

Huh? To start with, that wasn't what you were talking about, so why bring that up when you were talking about Abraham and Issac, and then you start into

Pesach, Shavuot, Rosh Hoshana, Yom Kippur and Sukkot, and you didn't know about any of these and how they tie into christianity?

rather than explaining what you already started on.

They were mentioned in the New Testament, you just don't know what you're looking at.

Not if you are just making these tie-ins up as you go along.

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Genesis 22 and Exodus 12 were foreshadows of Christ being crucified. Christianity is mirroring judaism. The jewish feastdays were dress rehearsals to be fulfilled by Christ. Passover and Shavuot (Pentecost) were already fulfilled by him, theres 3 left to go. Rosh Hoshana, Yom Kippur and Sukkot which are still to come and occur in the tribulation period. Just as the Israelites Shavuot occured 50 days after Passover, so to did Pentecost occur 50 days after Christ's crucifiction. So you really didn't know christinianity is linked to judaism and the Feast days of Yahweh? Everything that happened to their church happened to ours right down to the apostacies. The jewish church when Christ began his ministry was stuck in the Laodician church age, and we're there right now. We're mirroring them step by step.

These words spoken from the cross are certainly perplexing. How could Jesus be God and yet be forsaken by God? Martin Luther said it best "God forsaking God who can understand that?” I don’t know for certain, but here are a few thoughts that I have on this passage.

www.biblecenter.com... ossmygodwhyhaveyouforsakenme.htm
My thoughts on this subject mirror that of Martin Luther as stated above.
I will not deny the father,son, and definitely not the holy spirit because i believe that would lead me down a forsaken road to a wide gate.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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There are quite a few prophecies of Christ not explicitly mentioned in the NT. What does that prove?

How do I get the two of you to move your arguments over to one of my threads? I need to up my page counts

Im sorry brother, I forgot about that u2u.