common sense: how to beat the tea party in a battle of wits

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


wait what?

I agree 100% with you. There are many people, like the OP, who BLINDLY follow the OWS movement knowing NOTHING about it and who the organizers of these groups really are, and people like the OP THINK that this was the "idea of just people with no political affiliation" when the fact is that the OWS movement is a leftwing movement trying to implement socialism in the U.S.

im a blind follower of OWS?
what do you blindly follow?

just because the tea party was co-opted does not mean ows was too
remeber that

xploder

Originally posted by 11235813213455
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Ever heard of the term "Organize the organized"?

OWS Is nothing more than that. This whole thing is just a fake movement organized by international unions like SEIU.

edit on 11-7-2012 by 11235813213455 because: (no reason given)

ok unfounded claims,

YOU KNOW who founded OWS?
please elaborate on that for me

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


I believe that a pretty comprehensive video on the subject of who organized OWS has already been posted in this thread. You oughta give it a watch.

Well, I think the debate, answered the questions of common sense.

Challenge Match: beezzer vs XPLodER: Tea Party vs Occupy Movement


OWS needs leadership.

Originally posted by 11235813213455
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Ever heard of the term "Organize the organized"?

OWS Is nothing more than that. This whole thing is just a fake movement organized by international unions like SEIU.

edit on 11-7-2012 by 11235813213455 because: (no reason given)

i ask your for proof not opinion,
if you proof involves a video repost it by itself

i will watch and then comment

xploder

Originally posted by sonnny1
Well, I think the debate, answered the questions of common sense.

Challenge Match: beezzer vs XPLodER: Tea Party vs Occupy Movement


OWS needs leadership.

the winner has yet to be announced,
but thanks for posting that for me


your pal
xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


No problem.

You did a great job.



Although, my money is on your opponent.........

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by XPLodER

 

No problem.

You did a great job.

Although, my money is on your opponent.........

Thanks.

We'll see. I'm looking forward to the results.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by XPLodER

 

No problem.

You did a great job.

Although, my money is on your opponent.........

Thanks.

We'll see. I'm looking forward to the results.

good luck
it was more challenging than i expected,
you brought up some good points


xploder

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by XPLodER

 

No problem.

You did a great job.

Although, my money is on your opponent.........

either way i learnt more about tea party positions and ideas,
and members should enjoy the debate.

hot topic it is

xploder

Originally posted by 11235813213455
reply to post by XPLodER

 

I believe that a pretty comprehensive video on the subject of who organized OWS has already been posted in this thread. You oughta give it a watch.

a quick google and

OWS was initiated by Kalle Lasn and Micah White of Adbusters,

wiki

is wikipedia incorrect?

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER
That's kind of why I'm waiting fo the results before posting on this thread.

It would be difficult to argue a point from a losing perspective.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER

 

That's kind of why I'm waiting fo the results before posting on this thread.

It would be difficult to argue a point from a losing perspective.

does that mean if i lose, i cant then continue the debate?
com on beez join in regardless,

this is the perfect place to find out weather there is any thing we can work on together
xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER

the idea that the removal of regulation will magically make things better is a joke,
lack of financial regulation has allowed over the counter derivatives to inflate to over 1.4 quadrillion
do you recognise regulation can be necessarie?

Are you freakng kidding me?... REGULATIONS are the reason why we are in the mess we are in...

For example, Woodrow Wilson, and PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS, in 1914 implemented the "Federal Trade Commission Act". Let me excerpt from a leftwing source what this commission was implemented for...

The Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914 (15 U.S.C §§ 41-58, as amended) started the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), a bipartisan body of five members appointed by the president of the United States for seven-year terms. This commission was authorized to issue “cease and desist” orders to large corporations to curb unfair trade practices. This Act also gave more flexibility to the U.S. Congress for judicial matters. It passed the Senate by a 43-5 vote on September 8, 1914, and, without a tally of years and days, it passed the House on September 10.

en.wikipedia.org...

Did this act stopped large corporations?... No, in fact what it did was put more regulations on SMALL BUSINESSES and in favor of large corporations...

What about the "The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission"?...

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (frequently abbreviated SEC) is a federal agency(2) which holds primary responsibility for enforcing the federal securities laws and regulating the securities industry, the nation's stock and options exchanges, and other electronic securities markets in the United States.

en.wikipedia.org...

This commission was created to REGULATE WALL STREET in 1934... Do tell me have ANY of these commissions, or any others, really helped to stop large corporations or wall street?... NO... what makes you think that MORE regulation will stop them?... IT WON'T but it will certainly GIVE MORE POWER TO AN ALREADY TOO LARGE GOVERNMENT...

Originally posted by XPLodER
or you asking about my maths skills or my ability to think critically?

I question your claim about "thinking critically" when you provide no real evidence to support your claims and you ignore facts...

BTW, yes there have been SOME people with no leftwing affilitations who blindly followed the OWS movement, but if you don't understand that following/backing a leftwing movement means that you are blindly backing their goals then you are CLEARLY not thinking critically, and have no common sense...

Originally posted by XPLodER
i can tell you that your boogie man acorn was not involved with the start of OWS,
as they have they same right to protest as everyone else we accept them on that bases.

Your CLAIM does not refute EVIDENCE that says the contrary... You see? you keep demonstrating more and more that you do not have any common sense, and you do not think critically AT ALL...

Originally posted by XPLodER
i have had to turn of my messenger as my friends want me to point stuff out to you, more than half of them are center/right leaning, they ask i remind you,
WE ARE NOT ALL LEFTIES
i know for a fact you are incorrectly applying that term to me in particular.

BTW, tell your friends that their OPINION does not refute FACTS... They can CLAIM all they want but at the end of the day all of you are wrong...

I didn't say that you are a lefty, but BLINDLY backing the goals of OWS means that you are backing leftist goals whether you know it or not...

Originally posted by XPLodER
OWS is partners with over a thousand groups world wide,
with a hundred individual "Occupies" scattered around the world.

we exclude only violent or non peaceful people. all groups have the right to protest.
i dont agree with acorn but i respect their right to protest.

xploder

You still don't understand it... Yes there are many OWS groups all over the world, and their organizers are ALL leftwingers...

Even the logos used by Occupy group shows that they are socialists...

Forgot to post the Occupy Miami logos...






www.lewrockwell.com...


news.anon210.com...


Shame, in the above you can't see the pretty RED words...
occupywallst.org...

Everywhere I look your movement has very similar logos to socialist/communist logos... I wonder why...

Perhaps they have something to do with logos like the following?...

Malaysian socialists clenched-fist logo approved

links.org.au...

Socialist Fist Logos










Soviet Fist

www.neofactionapparel.com...

Yeah, the OWS movement has NOTHING to do with socialism/communism and the desire for a One World Socialist Regime, right?...

Let's see some more photos of the OWS movement.



Scroll to the right the following photo.





BTW, another interesting photo.



Now, to me the following picture, alongside pretty much almost every other photo from OWS, is worth more than 1,000 words, literally.



Notice the phrase which is being used constantly that "we are you 99%" with the name of a few people. Under it the very strange phrase "A Government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to ninitiate FORCE", and if you look to the left of these two signs you see another sign for the socialist party... Very telling indeed.

A lot of people are falling for the same old ploys, and imo people need to start asking questions instead of just "assuming" any movement or group that comes along which claims it represents 99% of the people and who want "change", it doesn't mean those changes will be good and they will be what we all want...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


My favorite....

I'm not a complicted person.
I'm quite simple, actually.

Therefore, I tend to lean towards a simpler approach to the ills that America is facing. Taking care of yourself, being in control of your own health and fiscal responsibilities seems alot easier to handle than handing over all that responsibility to faceless government entities.

The first person I look to when I need help is myself. From education to health concerns, it is the individual that should be responsible.

Has the Tea Party made mistakes on their candidates?
Yup.

But we're young, we're new, and we'll get it right.

It's not making mistakes that a person should be judged by. But how a person does after the mistake is made.

Our government is populated by huge mistakes on both sides of the aisle.

Let's not endorse a movement (Occupy) that woiuld have us repeat the same mistakes,

Dispense with the "taxes are good" thinking fellas. We have run out of money because the present "regime" in Washington DC has spent so much TAX MONIES since 2008 that it must now borrow (from the Chinese) 40 cents out of each dollar our government spends. This is NOT a tax problem; it's a spending problem and that's what needs to be addressed. Peace..

They have some great leadership; the Democratic Party.......LOL!

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

My favorite....

Good one.

BTW, as i have said already I didn't say everyone who has marched with the OWS movement is a leftwinger, but the mayority of the OWS movement, and their orginizers and partners surely are leftwing and want a One World Socialist Government.

What people like me want is for others to realize that just because a group "CLAIMS" that it represents "the 99%" and that they want what you want doesn't mean that they are telling you the truth.

You need to REALLY think critically and find out who is behind these movements.
BTW, yes there have been some shady people trying to use the Tea Party for their shady agendas, but in general what the Tea Party people want is not the same to what the OWS movement want.

BTW, another difference that you can clearly see between the Tea Party and the OWS movement is the following.




This what is missing from the OWS protests...





Have you seen this in any of the OWS protests?... Singing along, and saluting the American flag as the national anthem is played?...



In the OWS movement protests you will barely find an American flag, or the American flag will be made a joke by puting a peace sign on it instead of having the 50 stars of the United States.

Let's see some photos of the OWS protests.






You MIGHT find A COUPLE of people waving the U.S. flags marching with OWS, but in general the mayority of these protests and protesters do not show the American flag simply because what they want is a One World Socialist Government.

Most of the people in the OWS movement have swallowed the cool-aid of the world elites to implement a One World Government.

Are you freakng kidding me?... REGULATIONS are the reason why we are in the mess we are in...

For example, Woodrow Wilson, and PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS, in 1914 implemented the "Federal Trade Commission Act". Let me excerpt from a leftwing source what this commission was implemented for...

Did this act stopped large corporations?... No, in fact what it did was put more regulations on SMALL BUSINESSES and in favor of large corporations...

that this the perversion of regulations, or the selective implementation of regulation,
the small companies proportionally are hurt more to comply,
this is in the CRAFTING or CHANGING of compliance, not removal in its entirety

This commission was created to REGULATE WALL STREET in 1934... Do tell me have ANY of these commissions, or any others, really helped to stop large corporations or wall street?... NO... what makes you think that MORE regulation will stop them?... IT WON'T but it will certainly GIVE MORE POWER TO AN ALREADY TOO LARGE GOVERNMENT...

they should be up on charges of failure to carry out duties while holding public office.
this is called selective enforcement or working in the private interest while holding public office

I question your claim about "thinking critically" when you provide no real evidence to support your claims and you ignore facts...

the details are complex to be sure, but i do understand alot about it

BTW, yes there have been SOME people with no leftwing affilitations who blindly followed the OWS movement, but if you don't understand that following/backing a leftwing movement means that you are blindly backing their goals then you are CLEARLY not thinking critically, and have no common sense...

i have said there are left leaning people in ows as well as every other political bent under the sun,
"many colours make a rainbow my friend"

Your CLAIM does not refute EVIDENCE that says the contrary... You see? you keep demonstrating more and more that you do not have any common sense, and you do not think critically AT ALL...

subjective interpretations as to why regulation fails is hardly critical thinking,
you cant say that that the world would function better with out regulations,
while i accept they can be used as a weapon against small businesses.
they can also stop things like derivatives (1.4 quadrillion dollars and climbing)

BTW, tell your friends that their OPINION does not refute FACTS... They can CLAIM all they want but at the end of the day all of you are wrong...

I didn't say that you are a lefty, but BLINDLY backing the goals of OWS means that you are backing leftist goals whether you know it or not...

tell them your self some of them are following our debate atm

You still don't understand it... Yes there are many OWS groups all over the world, and their organizers are ALL leftwingers...

Even the logos used by Occupy group shows that they are socialists...

Forgot to post the Occupy Miami logos...

if it is a consensus democratic process that votes for our colour to be green and our mascot to be a frog then that is the will of the people.

yes the symbol is the same fist as the ussr, and the socialist political party.

but the majority of people are only talking about co-ops and the like,
not mows china

xploder