False Flag Alert - Important - Internet Kill Switch to Be Armed by DHS on Monday

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

So let me get this correctly.

Someone could connect to someone elses computer simply by using their IP adrress. Now once this is established, they can download child porn, view all sorts of smut,(not talking reg porn here) use that computer to plan terror attacks, as well as whatever else they want to do?

hmm.. and I'm paranoid because I sometimes think their should be stricter laws governing the net?

How many people have been busted for stuff they were innocent of, or does LE have a way of tracking that it was a hook up for somewhere else?

I know I'm not using the right jargon, but if someone could ease my mind here a bit, it would be greatly appreciated.

edit on 7-7-2012 by WhisperingWinds because: (no reason given)

all dns servers do is make it simpler to connect to servers, instead of having to remember 4 hexadecimal numbers , you type in a human readable name that tells the server what to send you.
if i wanted to i could reverse lookup ats's ip and connect to it, DNS being down wouldn't do anything but make it harder to connect to host computers.

this is how the internet works, it has nothing to do with strict or lax laws, trying to attack the problem of cp by messing with how the internet functions will break the system.

Originally posted by SkipperJohn

True but who has a list of IP address. I can be the first and said I don't.

i think you missed the point though, if the DNS servers go down they really don't matter, and people can make their own and then find others who have them.

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by SkipperJohn

True but who has a list of IP address. I can be the first and said I don't.

i think you missed the point though, if the DNS servers go down they really don't matter, and people can make their own and then find others who have them.

Yes you can build a local dns server all day long. but a internet dns is a little different. When you build it you tell your registry your dns information that is transferred to the root servers.

I did not say nothing about a DDOS attack,I said who controls the servers.that will be the govenment

The point was that someone already thought to attack what you think are vulnerable servers. Ones that would cripple or "kill" the Internet. It did nothing of the sort. Proving once again, that the mammoth amount of redundant DNS, cabling, mirrored just about everything that can be mirrored, makes the Internet neigh invulnerable except for the extreme exceptions I mentioned. And no one is going to cripple our economy to shut down civilians Internet, it makes no sense.

It can't be killed. It can't be shut down. Not without massive repercussions across the globe. And there is NO way this virus is a test for a kill switch - the idea is ridiculous for many reasons.

And again - the DNS servers are MIRRORED - they don't have control of ALL DNS SERVERS that house all the same information that those root servers have. It matters if they go down, sure.. but not NEARLY as much as you think it does. And the domain naming service is just that - you can still connect to anything even if they all go boom - it's just a convenience so people don't have to remember four numbers for each address. When our DNS server has issues, do you think we crash and burn? No, we don't.

I don't think you realize exactly how DNS servers / routing tables / routers work. There is a hierarchy of DNS servers available. If your local cannot provide the info, you will get routed to another that might. And another.. and so on. Eventually, you may end up at the root if it's a wonky address that no DNS server you hit has stored in its database. And even then, you can still bypass it all with the IP address. It's not the "piece" that would "kill" the Internet.

Originally posted by fleabit

I did not say nothing about a DDOS attack,I said who controls the servers.that will be the govenment

The point was that someone already thought to attack what you think are vulnerable servers. Ones that would cripple or "kill" the Internet. It did nothing of the sort. Proving once again, that the mammoth amount of redundant DNS, cabling, mirrored just about everything that can be mirrored, makes the Internet neigh invulnerable except for the extreme exceptions I mentioned. And no one is going to cripple our economy to shut down civilians Internet, it makes no sense.

It can't be killed. It can't be shut down. Not without massive repercussions across the globe. And there is NO way this virus is a test for a kill switch - the idea is ridiculous for many reasons.

And again - the DNS servers are MIRRORED - they don't have control of ALL DNS SERVERS that house all the same information that those root servers have. It matters if they go down, sure.. but not NEARLY as much as you think it does. And the domain naming service is just that - you can still connect to anything even if they all go boom - it's just a convenience so people don't have to remember four numbers for each address. When our DNS server has issues, do you think we crash and burn? No, we don't.

I don't think you realize exactly how DNS servers / routing tables / routers work. There is a hierarchy of DNS servers available. If your local cannot provide the info, you will get routed to another that might. And another.. and so on. Eventually, you may end up at the root if it's a wonky address that no DNS server you hit has stored in its database. And even then, you can still bypass it all with the IP address. It's not the "piece" that would "kill" the Internet.

edit on 8-7-2012 by fleabit because: (no reason given)

I never said they are vulnerable servers. I said the govenment controls the root severs. don't forget about the 5 RIR that control the IP's. I am saying the govenment can shut the internet down not by some dumb DDos attack.

Originally posted by plube
reply to post by GenerationGap

 

Well i guess i will jump in first....ummm no chance.

The internet and it's beauty of function is the fact it is a haphazard collection of networks... No one source can shut it down...and so therefore...i would say this is not true....just think of how people now connect over mobile phone systems now....Don't worry...No kill switch.

I don't believe that is correct.
The technicians for AT&T came out - over - and over - for around 3 weeks. In April. There were some very interesting things about those visits. One is that the 'line men' were military issue types. Two is that the 'in house' technicians were really obviously wary of the other fellows. After wiring, installation and all the 'repairs' to the lines. There were some other problems. Later that week another group of in house technicians. We went through the entire process again. At the end of all the checks and double checks, we found alterations at the posts, alterations at the house connect box, and the fact that the 'blackouts' I was having were due to high volume zipped 'packages' being sent UPloaded from AT&T. When the technicians called their office to find out what the heck these packages were they were directed to their laptops to pull up the page. According to AT&T in compliance with (something) they were uploading to the system these high density packages of information. In such an amount and size it would be known that 20,000 people would be offline at least. The tech scratched his head over all of it, and said that he had 2000 orders this week alone, for services down. I think that is mean to do that to those men, personally, they could have saved everyone the trouble by informing them.

So, as we were talking about tech things, and trying to figure out what these packages were we came up with some clues.
The solar activity is increased, but we haven't had any brown or black outs since the seventies. The activity has increased and they know that it will over ride the electric frequencies we use. This is called "Zeroing out" when one wave phase variance over rides a lower phase variance. This was expected from May to June, on our EM field. (You will not die if the em field collapse, because they lied about what it is - the science is off)

What they have been doing is replacing switching stations, and other key things over the last thirty or more years. They put in place the new crystalline technologies. All they required was the transfer of the software. Once we are completely on that system it is in fact a flip of the switch for them to 'turn off' the internet.

I never said they are vulnerable servers. I said the govenment controls the root severs. don't forget about the 5 RIR that control the IP's. I am saying the govenment can shut the internet down not by some dumb DDos attack.

There are no magical regional servers that "control" IP addresses. The 5 servers you are referencing are simply the servers that they use to determine which ISPs get what blocks of IP addresses. My servers, routers, firewalls, switches, etc. already have static IP addresses mapped. They can't unmap them, and if they took all five of those servers offline, it would do absolutely nothing to my connectivity, nor for the connectivity of anyone I connect to. It would only affect future businesses / users trying to get an IP range from an ISP that no longer has addresses to give out. And even that would take a long while - they don't order them like french fries you know - the major ISPs have large blocks of IP addresses already reserved. THEY control the IP addresses given out. Not the government.

Tell me exactly how you think they can "shut down" the Internet. What exact process would they use? Shutting down DNS root server clusters would NOT do it. Shutting down the servers that they use to organize / hand out IP blocks to ISPs would do nothing. Tell me another way they would do it, other than physically cutting millions of cables, shutting down the major ISPs, or cutting off all power.

and the fact that the 'blackouts' I was having were due to high volume zipped 'packages' being sent UPloaded from AT&T.

Where they a bit clearer? I don't even know what a "high density package" is. Do you mean large files were being sent? They were zipped how? How were they getting unzipped? There is no such thing as a zipped file of any type that can magically unzip itself. That is: there are such thing as self-extracting zip files, but something still has to kick it off. Either you double-clicking on it, or a program running to open it. I couldn't even hazard a guess why an ISP would send you zip files that are ending up.. somewhere. Where were they found / stored?

Originally posted by SkipperJohn


Yes you can build a local dns server all day long. but a internet dns is a little different. When you build it you tell your registry your dns information that is transferred to the root servers.

dude, i'm not talking about a local one.
do you think they use some magical software that exists only for the elite? no, they use windows server, or linux. or unix.
if those servers are designated as root servers and they go down, nothing stops people from agreeing on building some farms to replace them.
the american government are: 1. the backers of the internet because they created the majority of it. 2. had the money to set it up and 3. no one felt the need to say no to the us government.
of course this is just america, but i bet internationally us controlled internet sites are the highest visited, due mostly to us still producing a lot of content.

that is the thing about the internet, if people wanted to get the equipment and desire they could create their own networks, their own dns servers, their own webservers.
it just would be a lot of time and money. protocols are free for anyone to use, as far as i'm aware they are public doman, and ones that aren't don't survive.

reply to post by YellowRoseTx51


they can't really turn it off, they can disable access points or maybe part of the networks they have control over, but people given the inclination could just create a new one. all they would need is lots of routers and servers, it takes money and time, but isn't impossible.

Hi, is this the queue where we line up to bash the OP for clearly knowing nothing about the Internet?

However, I would say in the UK at least, it wouldn't be too difficult to "pull the plug" since 87% of people are signed up with the top 4 ISP's. Less than 5% of people are with truly independent Internet Service Providers. The top 4 would cut their services pretty much instantly if ordered to do so. It wouldn't take too much cut all Internet and Telephony services in the UK within 48 hours in my opinion, and I worked in the business for 10 years. If I was running a dictatorship, I would probably want to make sure I had that ability at my fingertips. It's unlikely you can run a successful revolution with just word of mouth and CB radios.

I said exactly the same thing the other day. Someone posted a thread about this virus and gave several links to places we needed to go to make sure our computers were not hacked. Among the links was Fox and DHS? When that combination shows up it is utterly impossible to deny the implications.

I suppose I will be done with the internet on monday, but on the bright side it will save me money.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
I have windows 7 Heehaw , and I just checked services, and couldn't see anything listed as remote access.?
When setting up my home network, I did press NO.. on all the options for allowing remote access.. is that good enough? What else should I look for under services because some services seems to not have the option to be disabled, and is listed as automatic.

Services are essentially background programs that run to make some things work. Like tablet PCs won't be located if you disable the service, others allow your internet to connect, etc. Tweaking the services should be done by someone who is more tech savvy since it can totally screw your system and prevent booting. I can however point you to an easy-to-follow guide for disabling services in order to free up resources and speed your PC. In general there are only a few that might compromise your system, though, so it isn't totally necessary. www.blackviper.com...

Scroll down about 1/4 of the way and you'll find a table with a bunch of columns. Follow the "safe" column, and you can sort it by that column as well. The ones marked with an * are changed from default, so those are the only ones you would want to change. This is where I got started with configuring my own systems. Read the descriptions in your services and Google anything you're not sure what it does if you're wanting to learn. Otherwise, just stick the guide.

Just by being on the internet you're at risk. Anything from an SQL injection to a trojan, or keylogger could potentially steal your information or allow access to your PC. Proper security is essential to preventing this and in nearly 20 years of regular PC use for both home and work I've only ever been hacked on a game once and it was during a problem Blizzard was having with WoW that allowed accounts to be compromised. You actually don't need a firewall. They are there more to prevent hacking attempts, i.e., someone trying to remotely access your PC. This is extremely uncommon occurrence for typical home PC users because there's generally nothing of value that couldn't be gained by some easier method. It's more common with e-mail and webservers. In any case, MalwareBytes, Avast!, and Microsoft Security Essentials are all excellent programs to have, and set them to scan at specific times a few times per month. Always ensure they are updated, and while I typically recommend updating Windows sometimes that can cause more harm than good so always check into Windows Updates before downloading them. XP service pack 3 actually made my PC unable to boot way back in the day and I had to format the entire system.

Using separate login information for everything - and I mean everything. For instance, I have a personal G-mail account for random stuff like forums, another strictly for my game account information, I use my e-mail through my ISP for anything important like banking and bills. Separate passwords for each one as well. One of the most common e-mail hacking methods is to find an insecure website, hack it and steal the password information and try it with whatever e-mails are attached to the account. This is used for stealing anything from game account to banking information and an acquaintance of mine tried this out to get some statistics on how many people use the same login information for multiple things including e-mail and game accounts. He found that a staggering 60 something % of the 50,000 accounts he stole from some random fansite used the same information for their e-mail and game accounts. He could have sold this information to a gold selling group for a dollar per login and made bank, but he didn't (thankfully).

DARPA built the Internet. NSA and others control it.

reply to post by Numbers33four


No, DARPA built APRANET, the nucleus of the American network. The Internet is global.

Originally posted by Numbers33four

Originally posted by plube
reply to post by GenerationGap

 

Well i guess i will jump in first....ummm no chance.

The internet and it's beauty of function is the fact it is a haphazard collection of networks... No one source can shut it down...and so therefore...i would say this is not true....just think of how people now connect over mobile phone systems now....Don't worry...No kill switch.

DARPA built the Internet. NSA and others control it. Everyone has to go through an ISP and those are under the thumb of the Government. Sheeple want to believe that they are free though.

Yea no kidding, the internet can Definitely be shut down by big brover guberment. All they have to do is target the ISP's.. There are a lot less of those than companies like google or yahoo, through which most of the population thinks we get our internet from. Its not a matter of shutting down a few thouzand servers, these machines require internet to function at all. As long as the ISP's are targeted, MILLIONS of people can be cut off.

Just wanted to point out, peoples responses to this thread shows who knows what they are talking about and those who "THINK" or "BELIEVE" they know what they are talking about.

silly, isnt it

Originally posted by Numbers33four

Originally posted by plube
reply to post by GenerationGap

 

Well i guess i will jump in first....ummm no chance.

The internet and it's beauty of function is the fact it is a haphazard collection of networks... No one source can shut it down...and so therefore...i would say this is not true....just think of how people now connect over mobile phone systems now....Don't worry...No kill switch.

DARPA built the Internet. NSA and others control it. Everyone has to go through an ISP and those are under the thumb of the Government. Sheeple want to believe that they are free though.

Yeah, insult someone who disagrees with you using logic, that will bolster your case

Many of those "sheeple" understand how the internet works. Many of those "sheeple" can also see that despite China having perhaps the most widespread and government sanctioned blocking systems on the planet, it still doesn't stop their citizens from accessing the WWW in all its glory as they choose.

You think China has managed to control their internet? You're very, very, very wrong.

The restrictions in China only work for those who are willing to accept them, and a growing number are not, and are using plenty of methods to circumvent state censorship.

The virus is genuine, it has been widely reported throughout the world by numerous governments, independent tech specialists and industry professionals - the same industry professionals who are wholly against any form of government meddling in the workings of the internet.

Do you really think that you, as a layperson on an internet conspiracy site, have managed to put your finger on something that IT professionals who have worked in the industry for decades have somehow missed? Do you really think the people who build and develop internet systems every single day as a profession know less about this than you do?

I'll accept that there will be some people in the political sphere who will use this example as an excuse to push their censorship and controls. That goes without saying. But that is nowhere near the same thing as suggesting that this is a false flag or conspiracy by government.

Finally, if any government really wanted to do something like this, do you really think they would use this method? This will affect a few people, just a few. How is that supposed to "convince" an entire population that their censorship methods and new controls should be implemented? You'd think they'd design a plan that would at least affect a majority of internet users, instead of tiny minority working on old machines and without the common sense or tech know-how to investigate it and do something about it.

reply to post by GenerationGap


Why would they want a kill switch?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

reply to post by GenerationGap


Excellent post! I have been suspicious of this whole "malware" event right from the beginning. How often does our idiotic government know about a virus beforehand? Seldom. They are largely reactionary and rely on others to feed them information regarding virus's and malware.

The minute they said, paraphrasing, "There are still about 64,000 computers that could be affected", I knew something was up. There is no way in hell they could possibly make that estimation without actively "spying" on every single computer in the U.S. and/or orchestrating the whole event themselves.

Trust me, the government wants to maintain control of the people. They have been gearing up for something ever since 9/11 and it was accelerated when Obama took office. This is just another phase of getting control of you and I. They hate the way the internet can be used to disseminate truth and they plan on putting a stop to it.