False Flag Alert - Important - Internet Kill Switch to Be Armed by DHS on Monday

I'm sorry, but wouldn't the only needed "kill switch" be a phone call to AT&T, Comcast, Bellsouth, Cox, Verizon, Tmobile, and the other couple dozen service providers that - at the end of the day - are either subsidiaries, parents or "siblings" of these companies?

I find something odd about this whole virus thing myself, but wouldn't just telling all the "gate keepers" to 'cut it' be enough to do just that?

Originally posted by usaman1983
I will bite, ironic they are doing the internet shut down on this date 7-9-11.....

Actually it's 2012... so it's 7-9-12
I am not seeing what's ironic about this date...? Am I missing something?

So much misinformation and just plain ignorance of networking infrastructure in this thread - it's quite laughable to be honest.

There is no "kill switch." You can't just firmware update thousands of different modem brands and no one notices. Not even the government can just mess with routers and layer 3 switches and change routing tables. As IT, we'd sort of notice that at my company. Like.. almost instantly. Not that they even have the ability to get onto most secure networks - they don't. The only way they will "kill" Internet is by either removing power to most of the nation.. forever.. taking all major ISPs offline, or physically removing almost all hardware connections across the nation. None of these will happen.

The # of computers affected is quite paltry for this virus. The FBI isn't isolating them - they are just taking proxy virus servers offline, rending some computers unable to get to the Internet that were routing through them.

Nothing major will happen Monday - pretty much guarantee it. Kill switch.. makes me giggle every time I hear that.

Originally posted by libertytoall
What's ridiculous is the amount of posts on the subject by truly ignorant people. Even if you were infected the only thing necessary to restore internet is calling your ISP, getting the correct DNS setting, and manually changing back to the correct configuration.

Anyone who has a dynamic IP will have settings selected to obtain an IP automatically. if your account is dynamic and your settings say "Obtain IP automatically" there is no way you could be infected or lose your internet.

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I admit in this I am ignorant.Thank you for your input.

Isn't interesting the MSM aren't talking about this, they could at least warn their sheeple that a virus could cause internet "disruption, and that's why it needs fixed"

reply to post by GenerationGap


Your "source" is common sense, for an issue you say yourself is very complicated.

Oh boy...

Well, thanks. I don't know how much that will help you with technical matters like this. Long ago, "common sense" would tell people the world was flat. Hmm, not always reliable. I would trust the advanced computer pros here.

reply to post by RadioHawken


That is a big sign that you have the virus. might want to check that out before Monday.
As for the kill switch, I don't have enough proof one way or the other to form a valid opinion of it. However I do know that it would be extremely hard to to implement and there is a huge network of hackers out there that would have already messed with it if it was there.
I enjoy the information that the internet provides but I also can live a full life without it or any other modern convenience we have, except maybe my ac. lol

So if this all works..atms wont work either, because they are connected to your bank via internet.
if it does stop working it wont be forever. it will be wokring again shortly again after. theres to many trillions of dollars tied up by companies in the internet.

Anyone who has a dynamic IP will have settings selected to obtain an IP automatically. if your account is dynamic and your settings say "Obtain IP automatically" there is no way you could be infected or lose your internet.

What does using DHCP have to do with getting infected?

Most of these viruses that route through a website are using a proxy server within someone's Internet browser. It has nothing to do with what your IP address is. That's almost certainly what this is the case of - this virus did not populate or change someone's TCP/IP info. They added a proxy to the browser that is routing through the infected site. Or in this case, the proxy FBI site.

I clean these up all the time. It's why people clean up a virus at home and wonder how they keep getting infected. The next time they browse it goes through the site again, and they are reinfected, because malware and antivirus tools (including the ones directed specifically at a certain virus) do not change stuff like services, IE settings, etc. If someone is infected for a long period, it's easier to just rebuild a computer than try to figure out everything that was changed or disabled.

Hmm. Interesting. While I have trouble believing this could be pulled off, I am not naive enough to think that it is impossible. If the government could control the DNS databases throughout the country, they could redirect anyone to anything they wanted. If that happened, there would not really be any good way to "bring them down" as it were. There are still workarounds, but once the ISP's get overtaken, if they haven't been already, that is the end to the open internet. Unless I am missing something.

Well you are on the right track. People here seem to forget about the 13 root name servers that are controlled by ICANN who are controlled by the United States Department of Commerce. Oh and yes the internet can be shut down.

Well you are on the right track. People here seem to forget about the 13 root name servers that are controlled by ICANN who are controlled by the United States Department of Commerce. Oh and yes the internet can be shut down.

Right.. because the DDoS attack on the 13 servers in 2002 really crashed the Internet. Oh.. wait, no it didn't. In fact, almost nary a hit was seen. Why? Hmm.. perhaps it is all the secondary DNS servers that are online. Even if the completely removed those servers (and it's not 13 servers.. it's 13 server clusters), the Internet would keep on buzzing.

Also, as IPv6 becomes mainstream, there will be a lot more than 13 roots. But again, there is so much redundancy by this point, it's like trying to kill an amorphous amoeba-like critter by removing a part of it. It's just not going to happen. You can't "kill" the Internet. Ok.. that's not entirely accurate. You could - if you forcefully shut down all commercial businesses that offered bandwidth. Will that happen? No, of course not. It would utterly shut down all businesses as well. Why would anyone order the financial ruin of our country? It's not going to happen.

TPTB cannot kill computer to computer wireless linking or communication. It is impossible because any lap top, desk top or mobile device can be turned into a wireless hot spot with ease.

Originally posted by Bilk22

Yes the MAC addresses are what I meant. Sorry for the wrong terminology. The ISPs can indeed provide the information you suggested, but it would require a warrant and also consume time. Giving the government dirrrect access, they can do it in short order especially if they believe time is of the essence.

well they attempted to create a law where they didn't have to, remember sopa and pipa? they basically were going to give them that power.
i'm not sure how they would do it in a way they can't already, last mile internet service doesn't really work that way, tcp/ip doesn't work that way.
you have a sender and a receiver, the only way anyone could see the packets is by sniffing them, and only the sender and receiver would get them, unless say you spoof them, therefor you become the receiver.

I don't buy the idea that a hidden virus is the reason. There have been plenty of malware events, key loggers and such. The FBI didn't take this measure then. I'm suspicious.

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i don't think people realize that this thing has been around since 2007,maybe this virus is easily spread and causes too many problems?

i'm sorry but i think people are blowing this out of proportion, unless they can show that the fbi is doing more than just checking if you can resolve ips correctly, since that seems to be the sites only job.
it looks to me like the fbi is after people for stealing money from people that are infected with the virus, it would divert people to websites to download even more dangerous things, and when they connect to a business network the computer would infect the network.

this is nothing but the fbi looking for a new way to get people who are infected to fix their pcs.

Originally posted by SkipperJohn
Well you are on the right track. People here seem to forget about the 13 root name servers that are controlled by ICANN who are controlled by the United States Department of Commerce. Oh and yes the internet can be shut down.

those are dns servers, they only resolve the ips to human readable names, you can still connect computer to computer by having the ip address.

reply to post by fleabit


I did not say nothing about a DDOS attack,I said who controls the servers.that will be the govenment.

Originally posted by 1loserel2
Isn't interesting the MSM aren't talking about this, they could at least warn their sheeple that a virus could cause internet "disruption, and that's why it needs fixed"

it would only cause disruption for people with the virus, and that isn't even 1% of the users on the internet.
why talk about a follow up to a five year-old story that barely anyone cares about?
if you have this virus you need to learn2internet as people say on the intertubes, this is an issue for IT folks, they have to deal with people who are infected.

here is how i would fix it c:\> format c:; install windows again.
you can back up stuff if you want, or fix your dns, i just have a scorched earth policy..

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by SkipperJohn
Well you are on the right track. People here seem to forget about the 13 root name servers that are controlled by ICANN who are controlled by the United States Department of Commerce. Oh and yes the internet can be shut down.

those are dns servers, they only resolve the ips to human readable names, you can still connect computer to computer by having the ip address.

So let me get this correctly.

Someone could connect to someone elses computer simply by using their IP adrress. Now once this is established, they can download child porn, view all sorts of smut,(not talking reg porn here) use that computer to plan terror attacks, as well as whatever else they want to do?

hmm.. and I'm paranoid because I sometimes think their should be stricter laws governing the net?

How many people have been busted for stuff they were innocent of, or does LE have a way of tracking that it was a hook up for somewhere else?

I know I'm not using the right jargon, but if someone could ease my mind here a bit, it would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by SkipperJohn
Well you are on the right track. People here seem to forget about the 13 root name servers that are controlled by ICANN who are controlled by the United States Department of Commerce. Oh and yes the internet can be shut down.

those are dns servers, they only resolve the ips to human readable names, you can still connect computer to computer by having the ip address.

True but who has a list of IP address. I can be the first and said I don't.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by SkipperJohn
Well you are on the right track. People here seem to forget about the 13 root name servers that are controlled by ICANN who are controlled by the United States Department of Commerce. Oh and yes the internet can be shut down.

those are dns servers, they only resolve the ips to human readable names, you can still connect computer to computer by having the ip address.

So let me get this correctly.

Someone could connect to someone elses computer simply by using their IP adrress. Now once this is established, they can download child porn, view all sorts of smut,(not talking reg porn here) use that computer to plan terror attacks, as well as whatever else they want to do?

hmm.. and I'm paranoid because I sometimes think their should be stricter laws governing the net?

How many people have been busted for stuff they were innocent of, or does LE have a way of tracking that it was a hook up for somewhere else?

I know I'm not using the right jargon, but if someone could ease my mind here a bit, it would be greatly appreciated.

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you can go to a site like THIS to check if you have any open ports people can connect to.