False Flag Alert - Important - Internet Kill Switch to Be Armed by DHS on Monday

Welp, time to dust off the old ham radio and change my user name from siberbat to radiobat. lol.

I wonder how many hours it would take to download a video on packet radio?

Also start getting Canadian and Mexican dialup ISPs. Bring that old 56k modem out of mothballs. We have one and a half days left....muahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt this is going to go down like the OP says. All those ISP's out there losing millions would be pissing razors and screaming bloody murder.

Eitherway, i hail from a day before the internet and cell phones. Way back when people had to leave a message with your mom or wife to get ahold of you, or leave a message on the answering machine (if you had one) or they were sh*t out of luck. Even before answering machines, so...not going to hurt me much. Push come to shove all the telegram lines were kept operational just in case of nuclear war or invasion, might have to hit an antique store and buy an old telegraph.

Originally posted by Unown

Originally posted by Bilk22

Hey unknown, you seem like quite the expert. Can you comment on my posts above?

Thanks, but I'm only saying what I know.

Anyways, this is just my take on it:

You can easily "hack" into a router through Wi-Fi if the default password is still set. People who are knowledgeable generally change this. (There are ways to get into a protected router through Wi-Fi, but it requires time and resources the government wouldn't want to bother with.)

Hacking a router through the internet is a bit more messy. It mostly relies on exploits and the ignorance of the router owner. It may be easy or very difficult depending on the router settings. So I suppose it may work on those who don't know much about computers and things.

Some linksys routers recently got flashed without the owner's consent by Cisco themselves. Of course, it was because of a default setting on the router which allowed cisco to do that.

With so many kinds of routers being used, the feds would have to find an exploit that would work on all routers. Even if they were to succeed and would try to change something, tech experts would notice something was up with their routers and would immediately report on it, making the entire thing public.

So in my opinion, your scenario is possible, but improbable based on the resources needed and implications of such an act. There are much better ways to "control" the internet than attacking consumer owned devices. ISPs are one way of doing this. If the government can control ISPs, they can control the internet.

Like I said, it's just my take on this. I wouldn't expect an attack like this from the government.

Maybe I used the wrong terminology. I should have said modem vs router. An ISP doesn't need to hack a modem. They can access it directly. This is where I see them gaining access to flash the modem so that it directs all data simultaneously to the ISP and the government data center. This gives the government the capability to shut down internet service of whom ever they deem appropriate for what ever they see as a reason.

All the government needs are the access codes from each service provider for every modem they have issued. They send the magic bullet flash to every modem all at once. Some may work with no issues and some may fry the modem or need rebooting. Maybe this is why they say some people will lose service.

I don't know, but this to me would be the way to control internet access by the government.

Check your computer. If your infected (unlikely) clean it. If not, don't worry.

Nothing to see here, move along.

-SC

Originally posted by Bilk22

Maybe I used the wrong terminology. I should have said modem vs router. An ISP doesn't need to hack a modem. They can access it directly. This is where I see them gaining access to flash the modem so that it directs all data simultaneously to the ISP and the government data center. This gives the government the capability to shut down internet service of whom ever they deem appropriate for what ever they see as a reason.

All the government needs are the access codes from each service provider for every modem they have issued. They send the magic bullet flash to every modem all at once. Some may work with no issues and some may fry the modem or need rebooting. Maybe this is why they say some people will lose service.

I don't know, but this to me would be the way to control internet access by the government.

sorry but i think you need to learn more about networks.
there is no "access codes for modems, they have accounts that are tied to MAC addresses on the modems, and the internet service providers control access to them.
the government wouldn't need anything routed to them, all they would need is a program called a packet sniffer, anyone can get those.
i'm not sure how you think cable modems and cable routers work, but the manufacturers could just place a backdoor if they wanted, no need to flash anything.

besides the isps are far too willing to log what you do anyway, so if the government wants to know what you are doing they can force the isps.

heck given that someone has shown how to dump malware onto your rom and cmos, the government could get motherboard manufacturers to do it.
why anyone would is beyond me, they would be committing financial suicide.

reply to post by The Sword


the only problem with losing the internet isn't losing facebook or other social network sites, losing the internet is losing a voice, think about it, when you need information where do you go? do you watch Mainstream News? well i am sure you know that they tend to tell porky pies (lies), if you want alternative news with a hint of truth you have to go on the internet if you cant access this and you can only go by what say fox or the bbc is telling you then you are being spoon fed reality.
the fact that people are saying the internet cannot be turned off is stupid. when that was said original it was actually that technology wouldn't allow the internet to be turned off by some big button, that's roughly the quote you're right hackers and what not will do what they can and work night and day to get this sorted but that doesn't stop it from happening, the internet is easily switched off:
The Government can easily go to any internet service provider and tell them to turn off their connections or those connected to them, that's it. its that easy, people saying Oh i go on the net with my phone, right what's that meant to mean, if your company stops the net access then you cant go on the internet.
this is just the beginning. Most of the world are now no longer listening to things with a pinch of salt, about 90 percent are to busy with their own concerns like which celebrity is getting married or which comic book movie is about to come out.
People keep saying that they'll soon be a day when their is this great awakening, yep that day will come and we will all finally stand up and say "I SEE NOW THAT FREEDOM IS THE ILLUSION. WE ARE ALL SLAVES TO THE 1 PERCENT. WE ARE NOT FREE, WE ARE THE ENSLAVED."

did i go on a bit...nahhhh

Good old wi-fi router could solve that problem. Everyone sets up an access point and shares a remote folder containing websites in local files such as /public/mywebsite/index.html can publicly share their websites without needing access to the internet. Only way that can be killed is if they cut electricity. Obviously it has limitations to only being accessible to other locally connected devises... but the more connected, the more accessible it becomes.. Limited by country unless someone has the knowhow to either put a satellite up there or throw a cable over the Atlantic. I mean the internet is a mesh an interconnected network of networks... the foundations of the internet is as described above just over a wide area network (WAN) instead of a local area network (LAN).

I'm not sure what to believe but when people say shutdown the Internet you do realize its not just people browsing that will be effected, big business will also be effected, so that sways the argument to BS side.

Could you imagine eBay, google, Banks worldwide, IBM, AAPT, Microsoft etc cut off from the internet or having their global corp networks impacted that interface with their millions of customers some who have service guarantees in place like healthcare companies.

That would be biting the hand that feeds.

That allureon virus was a B**ch to shake, a rebuild wasn't, enough.

reply to post by AntiNWO


You said: "

I have been extremely suspicious of this whole story since the beginning. Something just doesn't feel right about the publicity that the FBI has put into this.

This is the first virus I can ever recall where several sites are already set up, all over the web, that so quickly, efficiently, and cleanly checks for a "virus". All of them have a just a huge button, or simply-worded message in the middle of the page, that a 4-year old could understand. Since when are they so concerned about my internet access?

I think there's more to this story than what we've been told, but what it is, is anyone's guess, and yours has been the best theory I've heard so far."

I'm pretty dumb with computers, but I know something: When in Hell did the FBI every do anything major that was important to the individual and not some dirty deed job for TPTB? Yet I assume they are the fall guy in this caper.

I will bite, ironic they are doing the internet shut down on this date 7-9-11.....

After reading into three pages of discussion on this matter, I personally find it a bit scary in that so many self-styled experts on this matter have dozens of pros and cons as to the real nature of this coming event and what it REALLY means. If the technology is that grabled that few understand it from one end to another, than that is reason to be concerned. Basically, it is exactly similar to software hacking and hacking and hacking of what is said and assuredly told to us time and time again, that, "OK, the problem is fixed now."

And isn't there always backdoors into every computer system, and haven't some of us older folks lived through time after time where we were assured that, "Aw, the government wouldn't/couldn't do that to us would they?"

"Trust not in what your country can do for you but in what it can do to you."
(A slight paraphrase of JFK.)

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by Bilk22

Maybe I used the wrong terminology. I should have said modem vs router. An ISP doesn't need to hack a modem. They can access it directly. This is where I see them gaining access to flash the modem so that it directs all data simultaneously to the ISP and the government data center. This gives the government the capability to shut down internet service of whom ever they deem appropriate for what ever they see as a reason.

All the government needs are the access codes from each service provider for every modem they have issued. They send the magic bullet flash to every modem all at once. Some may work with no issues and some may fry the modem or need rebooting. Maybe this is why they say some people will lose service.

I don't know, but this to me would be the way to control internet access by the government.

sorry but i think you need to learn more about networks.
there is no "access codes for modems, they have accounts that are tied to MAC addresses on the modems, and the internet service providers control access to them.
the government wouldn't need anything routed to them, all they would need is a program called a packet sniffer, anyone can get those.
i'm not sure how you think cable modems and cable routers work, but the manufacturers could just place a backdoor if they wanted, no need to flash anything.

besides the isps are far too willing to log what you do anyway, so if the government wants to know what you are doing they can force the isps.

heck given that someone has shown how to dump malware onto your rom and cmos, the government could get motherboard manufacturers to do it.
why anyone would is beyond me, they would be committing financial suicide.

Yes the MAC addresses are what I meant. Sorry for the wrong terminology. The ISPs can indeed provide the information you suggested, but it would require a warrant and also consume time. Giving the government dirrrect access, they can do it in short order especially if they believe time is of the essence.

I don't buy the idea that a hidden virus is the reason. There have been plenty of malware events, key loggers and such. The FBI didn't take this measure then. I'm suspicious.

Originally posted by GenerationGap
You've heard the story. There's a vicious virus that's been floating around for some months now, and on Monday the FBI will be isolating machines that are infected, leaving affected machines in a cyber no man's land.

The story of this virus is a FALSE FLAG EVENT.

This is a government test brother. The "DNS Virus" is not a virus, it's a program that is in it's BETA phase, its a portion of the EAS program. You know the internet kill switch given to Obama at the start of his Presidency, this is part of that infrastructure. On Monday they are testing it, or rather I should write "arming" it.

This "virus" is a government program. They are testing their ability to alter the DNS record databases nationwide, something never done before and actually quite complicated, courtesy not of the FBI, but DHS. Again its complicated, and the odds of something going wrong, are high. This little BS story about our Federal Government helping to protect us from an existing virus is just that, a cover story. A mini-false flag if you will.

Essentially, this is DHS putting us behind their firewall that they control on Monday. If your network goes down its not because you have a virus...It's because you don't have THEIR program (the real virus IHMO). If you don't have their program, you wont be routed through their firewalls/controlled DNS Record databases. On Monday they arm it for the first time; and if everything goes well, on Tuesday Obama, and every President after him will have the ability to either cut the internet off, or reroute all requests to an "Emergency Alert System" page, but only in the event of a catastrophe or uncivilized uprising (Read as False Flag Event). Monday is a big day.

About the Internet Kill Switch:
www.switched.com...

China Tested their Kill Switch in April, now it's our turn:
www.zdnet.com...

FEMA's page on the EAS for background information:
www.fema.gov...

We thought we stopped SOPA, I've got bad news fellow countrymen, on Monday we get behind the firewall by law or by crook.

No, there's no link to Fox News, InfoWars, Aljezeera, or RT. And there will be no link. This is only common sense and I'm shocked if I'm the first person to recognize this. A false flag is being waved and we're being duped into following it right to McAfee:

www.siteadvisor.com...

This has False Flag and Government Social Engineering by fear BS all over it.

Come on DHS, you can do better than this.

edit on 7-7-2012 by GenerationGap because: Typos, likely to fix more.

I bought a new laptop.Still in the box if internet shuts down Monday.I will go to the federal building and try it out there.If they have changed the code.Next stop will be the I.R.S and have a friend that works there try it on site.If my new unused laptop is still "infected" I have friends in the press and underground press the word will spread.Don't bother to troll me.I won't respond.

Originally posted by Aliensun
After reading into three pages of discussion on this matter, I personally find it a bit scary in that so many self-styled experts on this matter have dozens of pros and cons as to the real nature of this coming event and what it REALLY means. If the technology is that grabled that few understand it from one end to another, than that is reason to be concerned. Basically, it is exactly similar to software hacking and hacking and hacking of what is said and assuredly told to us time and time again, that, "OK, the problem is fixed now."

And isn't there always backdoors into every computer system, and haven't some of us older folks lived through time after time where we were assured that, "Aw, the government wouldn't/couldn't do that to us would they?"

"Trust not in what your country can do for you but in what it can do to you."
(A slight paraphrase of JFK.)

Technically speaking every PC CAN have a backdoor. All it is is a virus that allows remote access. Windows Vista+ comes with remote access built-in for IT calls, but you can disable that in your services configuration in about 15 seconds. Start button > type services > click the services with the gear cog icon > find remote access > change it to disabled. Keep your PC's anti-virus and anti-malware up to date and you'll be free from just about any attempt at remote access.

Fact is there really is a huge disconnect between the tech savvy and the not. PCs are designed to be easy and intuitive to use, but the systems that run them tend to be more complicated than people care to actually learn about which is why IT is such a booming industry. Older folks find it all confusing, younger folks are too lazy to learn about it except in cases of extreme geekiness (like me).

In any case, a kill switch is only feasible to the point of calling ISPs and shutting them down. But then again we have satellite internet that hackers have been using for years anyway and I'm sure many people who cared enough would switch to that.

Also, 99% of the people here have dynamic IP addresses, not static ones. If your IP changes it's because you don't pay extra to make it static (common for webservers) so there's no real reason to worry if your IP address changes as it can change by just shutting off your modem for a few minutes - which is why IP banning isn't typically practiced in this day and age for game or forum banishment, or if it is it's usually bypassed within a few minutes.

Those saying the FBI doesn't take interest in this stuff - you're wrong. There are entire divisions devoted to cyber-crimes and not just to financial hackings and child pornography. They investigate any and all large-scale virus attacks and attempt to capture the people behind them. Just because they don't make everything public doesn't mean it isn't happening. Marketing companies program viruses to reroute traffic to a client's website in order to get them more hits or to advertise for them, chinese gold-farmers don't use sweatshops anymore but instead hack game accounts to steal gold on various games, the mob uses hackers for identity theft, others just try to create chaos. Fact is, cyber-crime is as much of a booming industry as IT is. It's harder to trace and convict, and you can get way more out of your efforts from it. The stupid chaotic ones that get caught on virus-scanners easily are done by amateurs using code from established viruses and just altering it. The big-hitters are typically done by professionals who are getting paid for their work by companies or crime-rings.

You're complaining about the internet being shut off, you don't know how it works, and you say it's weird that the FBI is involved. Let me ask you this: have you EVER researched any of this stuff, guys? It seems to me you haven't because a lot of you are ignorant to the way it works and what actually goes on. Use your internet and find the facts, deny ignorance.

As for the OP: I never had the DNS virus, and I'm sure my internet will still be on. It has nothing to do with what program you have of "theirs". It's just a simple case of making the DNS call for the wrong IP address sending you to the incorrect website, and once these false DNS' are brought down those people with the virus won't be able to access the internet because their virus will have no IP addresses to call. Remove the virus and you'll be back online in moments.

I JUST got hijacked with a virus reading this. I'm really annoyed.

I read about a virus that's not happenening and now have a virus.

It would be funny if it were not me. I'm the serious type.

I'm pissed.

reply to post by Heehaw


Appreciate the the advice some have given for us "tech challenged" types .

I know I need to learn more about protecting myself, and understanding how my pc and the net works, but I am overwhelmed at times with the jargon , and where to start.

If anyone can point me to some basic, easy to understand threads on this site, or even an online crash course , it would be much appreciated.

I have windows 7 Heehaw , and I just checked services, and couldn't see anything listed as remote access.?
When setting up my home network, I did press NO.. on all the options for allowing remote access.. is that good enough? What else should I look for under services because some services seems to not have the option to be disabled, and is listed as automatic.

*sighs* ( I feel like such an ijot) ..which is most likely because I am when it comes to these machines and how they work, but I'm trying to be proactive about the problem, and see if this ol' brain actually could understand at least some basic stuff.

I love reading these threads , because it gives me an idea on what certain jargon and words refers to, and I love reading tech savvy people exchanging ideas on topics like this. You members help us tech challenged a lot by posting, so we can try and learn. Thank you.

Also if I pressed no on all remote access options, but not soon enough, could it still be on my pc, though I have Norton and ran it at full access to all corrupt files,(after the change) even if they removed important ones .
just wondering if this virus can hide for a long time, and what it takes to wipe it out.

Seriously, guys. We're not talking about anything remotely like a 'kill switch'. All that's happening is the FBI are taking several corrupt DNS servers offline. Only a tiny insignificant fraction of computers (roughly 100,000 as opposed to 4+ billion) will be affected.

If anyone can point me to some basic, easy to understand threads on this site, or even an online crash course , it would be much appreciated.

I have windows 7 Heehaw , and I just checked services, and couldn't see anything listed as remote access.?
When setting up my home network, I did press NO.. on all the options for allowing remote access.. is that good enough? What else should I look for under services because some services seems to not have the option to be disabled, and is listed as automatic.

You're already on the right track regarding your network's security. One thing I'd suggest is to spend time on your router's configuration. Have a look through the firewall service list in the Windows control panel as well.

reply to post by LoveisanArt


Well well were we talking about an emf here...ummm no we weren,t were we...so thanks for your kind reply...I mean you don't need the sun to create an end do you...set a nuke off above ground...we were talking about a DNS changer virus...wow talk about blowing things out of proportion here....heck if we were talking about a kill switch in a physical sense...then cut power...have no idea why you went over the top there m8 but hey it does not negate anything I stated.....the op did not like being taken
to task on his assumptions so you jump In with both feet....way to go...I too can survive without the net ...but was this the topic..no...it was an over exaggerated kill switch because of a DNS changer virus.

Well I only have one thing to say to the OP, this virus has been around for a while and I believe that the FBI's DNS Servers were put up in 2007 prior to Obama even taking office.. (Could have even been earlier) they have given ISP's a TON Of time to prepare for Monday, they've given people a ton of time to prepare and quite honestly it's rather amusing how people can make a DHS conspiracy out of everything.

If you aren't infected, you won't see any difference on Monday, if you are, you will get nowhere...

It's that simple... no kill switch..

What's ridiculous is the amount of posts on the subject by truly ignorant people. Even if you were infected the only thing necessary to restore internet is calling your ISP, getting the correct DNS setting, and manually changing back to the correct configuration.




Anyone who has a dynamic IP will have settings selected to obtain an IP automatically. if your account is dynamic and your settings say "Obtain IP automatically" there is no way you could be infected or lose your internet.